Well, it had a noble mission in the beginning. It’s been turned into nothing but a giant funnel for stealing money from taxpayers and screwing over countries all over the world with strings that they didn’t want.

Massive waste of American money and influence. Because everybody who was involved in, it was a socialist Pushing a non-American agenda.

Fucking awesome!!

Tore my right bicep. Complete tear of the lower tendon at the radius.

Take care of your bodies people.

Very few rounds, almost all 750 AMAX (2600FPS). Always shot from wooden bench (no dirt, no concrete). I can get an exact round count. I will provide pictures, but wanted to get this posted. $13,500 plus actual shipping cost (will have to have my FFL ship because USPS will not come anywhere near close to providing adequate insurance). May have to ship it in separate packages b/c FedEx won't insure past $10K last I checked.

I also have a complete (and unused) reloading setup for it if purchaser is interested in that we can discuss.

Rifle is in located in Nashville area.

Will upload photos at some point. If you're really serious, feel free to harass me to get photos up.

How many think Trump is serious about the 51st state thing with Canada?


For anyone that does….. have you considered how progressive they are and what they would do to congress far as representation?

Was it Saudi’s ? Soup shooters ? Both ?

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Whats the nicest variable 10x FFP scope? Looking to use it for team sniper matches where the carbine shooter is limited to 10 power. Ive used NF atacr 1-8, leupold mark 5 2-10, and vortex razor 1-10.

Parting with a lightly used NF NX8 1-8.

Glass is clean a free of any defects. The scope does a small ring mark on the underside front area.

Going through the gun room, I've got lots of extra stuff to get rid of...

Triggers:

1) Geissele SSA (Super Semi-Automatic) Trigger, SOLD

Comes with a Larue Trigger Action Chassis (mock trigger housing) a magpul grip and standard safety

(https://geissele.com/super-semi-automatic-ssar-trigger.html)

2) Geissele Super V Trigger, $135 (Basically the predecessor to the Super 3 Gun Trigger), SOLD

Comes with a Larue Trigger Action Chassis (mock trigger housing) and a generic grip

3) LMT (or LMT clone - not sure), 2 stage curved, (See pictures), $85.00

(Looks exactly like this: https://www.primaryarms.com/lmt-axle-s-a-euro-two-stage-ar-trigger-group)

Larue Trigger Action Chassis (mock trigger housing), and a Timney Ambi safety.

Triggers 1 & 2 are SOLD.

3 Unknown trigger (LMT (or LMT clone - not sure)), 2 stage, curved, probably 2lbs and 4.5lbs

*SOLD*

Brand new in the box. Unfired. Unmodified. Manufactured in 2011. “S” series serial number. Includes box, manual, hang tags, lock, trigger adjustment tool and original purchase receipt.

- Model #85200
- Right hand, short action, chambered .308
- 20 inch barrel
- Threaded 5/8x24
- 1-11.25 twist
- HS Precision stock (black w/ OD splatter)

$1,300 shipped from my FFL to your FFL

Shooting Rd15 85gr badlands match burners. Don’t know exact mv but am using what others are getting out of the same length proof barrel.

Shot this weekend got a solid 100yard zero.
Used Hornady app to see what drop would be for 300. Move back dial mills all shots high. Shoot some paper and measured with a tape 9.5ish inch of drop. Roughly .7ish mills. I held .6 got hits on 8” steel.

So my question is why is the ballistic app saying I should be seeing 15.7 ish inch of drop but on paper constantly getting 9.5” ish. Even if my mv is off which I’m sure it’s not exact. In the app the bullet would have to be going like 3120 to match what I’m seeing.

Am I just being poor and need to get a garmin and better ballistic app?

Preface:​

I have no involvement with the company, purchased this product for full MSRP on pre-order. This post is meant to discuss the unit's capabilities and impressions after using it for couple of days. The idea is to expand and update (& correct) this post with feedback from others who have experience with the product.

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Rumors began flying in early '24 about a new WMLRF coming out later that year. This was eventually confirmed when a few posts surfaced on social media and @DocUSMCRetired himself confirmed the unit's existence later in the year here on the Hide. With options limited for years to essentially a Raptar, Radius & STORM or recently MARS, MRF and Vortex 4000. With some major downsides to most of those options, new WMLRF with onboard Applied ballistics just north of a $1000 was a fairly exciting proposition. Despite sour taste from a few pre-orders in this industry in the past, I obviously learned nothing & went ahead and got on the list. Orders were taken in late December '24 with full price paid upfront, ETA from Tango Innovations was 2nd or 3rd week in Jan '25. They only missed the deadline by about a week, with email communication on the original deadline stating as such. Shipping was upgraded to expedited as a result for everyone on pre-order free of charge. Good on them in that respect, no gripes from me.

What arrived:


Well packaged unit with remote button (4 pin connector, fisher maybe?), some zip ties & zero-ing reflective targets (no stickers, c'mon guys, all of us are suckers for stickers!). Manual is on the website and another copy was emailed with the note "no paper manual included. Applied Ballistics is in the process of transitioning to the new AB Quantum app, which will soon simplify the control of all your devices. Since this change is happening soon, we’ve provided a virtual manual instead." I have no idea what this transition will look like for Fire4000 users.

Key Features directly from Tango with a few of my own notes:​

We develop our own app (AB Synapse - BOSS) and ally with Applied Ballistic. There are different models of software applications. Search for AB Synapse – Boss or BOSS on both Apple iOS and Android, Google Play.
1. FIRE4000 UltraLite (For Hunting)
2. FIRE4000 Sportsman (For Sport Training)
3. FIRE4000 Elite (For Long Professional Shooting)- I assume this is what we got with lower models coming out in the future?

OLED Display
The built-in laser rangefinder can quickly measure the target distance and angle, displaying the results on the OLED screen. Additionally, there is a setting for adjusting the screen brightness. The display is amazingly crisp, 3 brightness settings, it shows all relevant information as far as I can tell so far. if I had to complain about something. I could use a NV friendly brightness setting on the low end.

Vertical and Horizontal Screen
There are settings for both Vertical and Horizontal screens, available on both the left and right sides. To adjust the screen direction, long press for 2 seconds to cycle through the 1-2-3 options. This function works as advertised and is obviously useful for horizontal vs vertical mounting.

Invisible Laser and Visible Laser
The invisible laser, Class 1 with a wavelength of 905nm, is used for measuring distances up to 4000 yards.
The visible laser, Class 2 with a wavelength of 635nm, is utilized for zeroing in on targets and measuring distances up to 100 yards.

Battery Performance
Battery Model : CR123A 3V
Installation : Battery "+" facing inward, "-" facing outward.

Weight is listed at 420g which is 14.8 oz, I weighed this thing at 15.7 oz including the activation cable, so they weren't lying and this thing is a Chooonk. Not that it's current main competitor Vortex is any lighter at 16oz. This area should be the main area of improvement if there's ever a V2 of this. MARS is 1/2 the weight (and 7x the price, I know) but the technology is there nowadays, and I don't see any backcountry hunters packing an extra pound when handheld RFs are in the 6-8 oz range nowadays.
Dimensions listed are 111x75x47mm, which is 4.37x2.95x1.85in. The width is really 2.5in if you don't measure the battery cap and the height is closer to 1.5in from top of the rail.

Performance:

Popped a new CR123 in and powered on unit. Manual is straighforward, setting this thing up is very intuitive including the BOSS app and took 2-3 minutes. I have a S&B US waiting on a mount, so I took the chance to mount it on some spare NF rings and threw the Fire4000 on top. You could follow the zeroing instructions at 100yds, but at dusk, the red laser is visible out to a good distance so I just parallel zero'd at roughly 1000yds in the near darkness.

While we are talking about zeroing, the red laser activation button can be hard to activate/deactivate (this is by design to prevent NDs). The elevation/windage adjustments have no clicks to them, it just feels like you are turning against about 2-3 in/lbs of resistance. This doesn't bother me as I never understood everyone's obsession with tactile clicks and somehoe judging optic's tracking ability by how the clicks "feel" or "sound". Unless we are talking about TT clicks, but that is more of an art to me than a necessity. I'm probably starting an argument here so I digress... Looking through the optic, you can clearly see the laser moving the direction you're moving the flathead screwdriver, no biggie, gets the job done.

My vis seems fairly well slaved to the RF laser, I didn't get ranges off target (or inversely no range while on target) until I got out to ~2000 yards and even then it was only .1mil in the horizontal direction.

There are 2 AB modes on the unit, External and Internal.
External is straight forward, pair with a kestrel via BT and go. Connection is fast and automatic once you initially pair them. I have had those two units synced for about 30 min total so far on about 5 occasions and haven't dropped connection once. Kestrel gets the range from the Tango, does it's thing and spits the solution back out to the Tango under 0.5 sec. One great thing I was excited about is you can build your target card on the Kestrel by ranging with the FIRE4000, great.

The internal mode is a little different story and I hope I get some feedback from others so I can update. You use the BOSS app to set up the rifle profile (is the Quantum making it easy to transfer profiles from device to device?! because I'm about tired of making the same AB profiles across the ecosystem evertyime I pick up a new device...). This is where I am seeing some discrepancies, when the BOSS is connected to the FIRE4000, I seem to get correct elevation adjustments that match my Kestrel (within reason, some of the atmospheric and DOF conditions were off in below pic resulting in a small discrepancy).

However, once I go to airplane mode on my phone and let the device do 100% of the internal calculations, I get results that are... well let's say not exactly jiving with the Kestrel... EDIT 2/3/25: no longer an issue here after talking to customer service some more. Let me explain how this works and what most likely happened here. The Fire4000 gets the gun profile, atmospheric info, DOF and angle of fire from the phone app when they’re connected. Once you disconnect from the phone app and rely solely on the Fire4000 unit, it still uses the gun profile, DOF and atmospheric info that it had last received from the app. However since there’s a built in inclometer, it updates the angle of fire autonomously. That being said, what most likely had happened is I fudged the angle on the phone, then when I disconnected from the phone app and took a new range, the Fire4000 adjusted to the correct angle and spit out a different solution as a result. I confirmed tonight that I can’t replicate the issue, so as of right now, the standalone mode is gtg as far as I’m concerned. One other thing I noticed is that when you’re in AB external and connected to the Kestrel, simply switching to AB internal doesn’t automatically pick up the BOSS app on the phone. It’s like the kestrel is keeping the device locked in. I have to disconnect the kestrel first before the AB internal picks up the phone app.




Ranged .2mil targets no problem out do 1000yds, all I have available past that are buildings, a water tower and stadium lights, it hit all those no problem to 2000yds first time everytime for me.

Random facts and thoughts:

Ranges compared to my Sig8k came back 3-5yds long on the FIRE4000 consistently at all distances, whether it was 100yds or 2000yds. Not big enough discrepancy to be able to verify with a GPS, so I'm calling it good enough for gov't work.

Vibration when acquiring a target is a feature I thought would get turned off immediately, will have to see how it affects battery life but as of right now it's actually a useful tool I will keep enabled.

Tango Innovations is a company I know nothing about, according to their contact, they appear California based, customer service communication has been ok so far.

Unit is made in China (ewww) according to the box.



Mount is a spring loaded crossbolt design with 2 screws, no torque spec included so I guestimated and sent it.. Update from Tango: 40-45 in/lbs recommended for the mount.


Powered by a single cr123 battery positioned in the correct perpendicular orientation.

Confirmed some load data and fired roughly 50 rnds of 6.5cr out of LMT MWS today, holding zero so far



Activation switch could have been lot smaller, if not even just just more low profile, but not a deal breaker compared to a Raptar switch etc..

Distance and internal solution return is lightning fast, like .2-.3 sec is my guess.

Buttonology on top of the unit is well thought out, with most buttons providing a function with a short click and then some sort of a mode change with a 2 sec hold. GTG there, simple and effective.

Will have to update later on how this gets along with my PVS26, didn't get a chance to go out for night shenanigans this weekend.


I'm sure I missed a ton, fire away Hiders, let me know what else there is to touch on...

Cool test done by [B]MinistryOfTruth[/B] on 2/3/25

28F Freezer Test (MinistryofTruth)​

Unit did not form any internal condensation when frozen to 28F for 2 hours. Was taken outside and used up against Impact4000.​

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Tango displayed typical low battery warning with CR123, but not with 3.7V rechargeable.​

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Scanning and other functionality worked excellently. Impact 4000 display was practically inop under same conditions. No display oddities were observed on the Tango.​

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The Tango is a vfd so a picture of it is worthless.​

@carbonbased was kind enough to put together a list of pros/cons between this and the Vortex unit:

Impact 4000 (Vortex)​

Cons

• Battery life in cold weather with off-the-shelf batteries is very poor (special battery helps, but not sure how much)
• Indication for battery failure is immediatelybefore unit shuts down (not helpful)
• LCD screen is sluggish in the cold
• Big boi, a far bit larger
• A little heavier
• Has own ballistic software, can’t true the ballistic curve at multiple distances simultaneously
• Laser for ranging is different than visible laser used for zeroing. So, must skyline confirm zero with poles, edge of buildings, etc.
• $300-$600 more expensive. $1700 currently at Eurooptic with VX15 coupon; $2000 retail.
• Bluetooth remote
• Too bright at night
• ~1/2sec slower for ranging @ ~600yds
• No haptic feedback

Pros

• Amazing warranty
• Onboard inclinometer

Neutrals/Unknowns/Unclear

• Has onboard environmental sensors* (but these might get messed up by the sun beating down, or shooting from a warm space into the cold, etc)
• Has a compass built-in**
• Made in Taiwan (a pro to me, but maybe not to others)
• Poly exterior
• Workflow, building profiles, profile management, tethering limitations, Kestrel connectivity ease of use, etc

Fire4000 (Tango Innovations)​

Cons

• Can’t read the screen with polarized sunglasses (not sure how big a deal this is)
• Only a 3yr warranty
• Remote cable doesn’t have a right-angle option
• Too bright at night
• Too easy to switch between meters & yds
• “When updating environmental measurements using the phone and not having phone perfectly at 0° (the) incline reading gets wonky.” from @boomslang (link)

Pros

• AB onboard, can true ballistics at multi-distances simultaneously
• A fair bit smaller
• A little lighter
• ~1/2 sec faster ranging @ ~600yds
• Cheaper, $1400
• Wired remote
• Haptic feedback
• OLED screen (apparently not sluggish in the cold, users confirm please)
• Onboard inclinometer

Neutrals/Unknowns/Unclear

• Cold weather performance still up in the air (28°F test isn’t actually cold, in my book. It’s warm.)
• Made in China (a neg to me, but maybe not to others)
• No environmentals onboard*, but as mentioned it does measure shooting angle for correct ballistic solution
• No compass**
• Metal exterior
• Workflow, building profiles, profile management, tethering limitations, Kestrel connectivity ease of use, etc
• Zeroing ease (is viz laser same as ranging laser?)

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Notes:
*why the Fire4000 not having onboard environments is probably no big deal.

**ditto with the Fire4000‘s lack of a compass: see here

Holy crap!

And good for him. Seems like he’s doing it for all the right reasons…I for one wish him and his family well.

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(1) Box unopened Berger Hybrid 105gr (lot PR0355) - SOLD
(1) box unopened Nosler RDF 105gr - $200 shipped

PayPal F&F or Venmo, DM if interested

Brand new never used R700 invisinut (Think I spelled it right). Bought for a build that fell through. 30+ shipping.

REI is selling a handful of Yeti's in "Wild Vine Red" aka burgundy at better than the usual prices.

Seems that they have... the Tundra (both 35 & 45), the Hopper Flip 8 & 12, Hopper M20, and Roadie 24 at the clearance price for that color (about 20% off). No knowledge of how much they have in stock that they're trying to liquidate from their inventory (might go quick might go for a couple of days).

Anywho- I thought it was a decent price and wanted to share. I reckon that similar deals would be able to be found from other retailers as well.

Hope that's of help to someone here on the Hide that's been holding out for a sale.

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Hello Everyone,

I’ve been researching mid- to long-range shooting and I’m curious about the potential for developing skill with a semi-automatic .308 match-grade rifle. My understanding is that bolt-action rifles are generally preferred for long-range accuracy due to their inherent stability and consistency, but I’m interested in knowing if it’s possible to achieve similar levels of proficiency with a semi-auto platform, especially in the mid- to long-range (300 to 1,000 yards).

Specifically, I’d like to know:

1. Is it possible to consistently hit targets at these distances (300-1,000 yards) with a semi-auto .308, given that I would be using match-grade ammunition?
2. What are the key factors that would contribute to becoming skilled in this discipline with a semi-auto rifle? (e.g., barrel quality, trigger control, optics, training, etc.)
3. How much of a challenge is it to manage recoil, follow-up shots, and maintain accuracy with a semi-auto compared to bolt-action rifles at long range?

I’m looking to understand whether it’s realistic to pursue this type of shooting with a semi-auto rifle, and if so, what would be the best practices for improving accuracy and consistency over longer distances. Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance for your input!

Selling my Tangent Theta. Excellent condition. Comes with Area 419 rings

$old shipped.

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sort of a non issue as he is gone. left DOGE for some reason. am thinking Elon booted him for not doing the job since he is still likely a Soros creature.

I've seen of M40's that were converted to A1's and they have a short bolt shroud/plug, I've also seen M40A1's with the longer bolt shroud. My question is when the older/original M40's were upgraded to A1 configuration were the bolt shrouds replace or were these only on the newer receivers?

John

First, I have no idea how she has not been assaulted at a minimum! Second, do not watch this while in polite company. Third, she is hilarious.

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39 million population and what… 20 percent will engage in boycott?

That’s less Than the population of Manhattan…

Quaking in my boots…. Damn, I might have to pay an extra quarter for poutine…. Not that I’d eat that nasty stuff.

Puh-leeze…. Their sovereignty? I can’t believe they even have delusions of global relevance….

Sirhr

SA Hawkins bottom metal 300-0002-ANO
BNIB $120 shipped

LaRue Tactical MBT-2S trigger
BNIB $75 each or both for $140 shipped

APA fat bastard gen 3 6mm 5/8x24
it has a few hundred rounds through it
$65 shipped

Leupold mark 5 carbon fiber-455 tripod with ball head, every functions and works great
$500 shipped

RimX in an MDT Gen2 Premier ACC chassis, with an adjustable magazine catch. Hoz&Shield bag rider, Bix&Andy Tacsport Pro Single-stage trigger, 26” x 1” straight barrel with a 16-twist from Straight Jacket Armory. Arken EP-5 7-35 Scope mounted on a 20MOA rail for a total of 40 MOA elevation. MDT Bipod.

2 x RimX magazines with extensions, 1 x L3I magazine with a 14-round capacity. Extra firing pin, Eley ejector, and action wrench.

Has about 1000 rounds through the barrel. Shoots Lapua Long Range very well. It has everything you need to get into precision rimfire.

Over $4k invested, but I have too many rifles and not enough time to shoot them all, so I am thinning the herd. $2500 includes shipping from my FFL to your FFL.

Also available separately is 4000 rounds of Lapua Long Range for 1,200$…Rifle Buyer has first right of refusal on ammunition.

No trades, Selling as complete package shown in pictures….

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Poor fucker goes to sheriff office to report being assaulted by deputy and then gets beat up by sheriff and the cheif of police. And then of course arrested and charged with harassment, resisting arrest and public intoxication.
Of course none of those charges stick because the man was smart enough to record while in the presence of thugs .
The location and phone number for this department are in the video - wouldn’t be a shame if 2-3 thousand people called to tell them how heroic they are ?