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blbennett1288 said:
I keep getting the “uploaded file is too large for the serve to progress”, or it’ll upload, but not let me insert the image. Y’all got any suggestions?
I got a bunch of photos of AIs at Legion I’d like to post…
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Are they pictures taken on your phone, or are they DSLR pictures?

I can load pretty big pictures (12MB+), if they aren't huge files then it might be your account, I recall having similar issue and logging out and in fixed it.

Or could be an issue in background.
www.snipershide.com

anyone else not able to upload pics?

anyone else not able to upload pics?
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Ukraine war Bullshit.

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correct meant billions to Ukraine. should have been $20.00. OUR DEBT IS TRILLIONS. but like i said you neocons can get more with inventing a new boogey man. so,fuck America and it's rotting infrastucture,disfunctional schools,legions of homeless and poisoned land. i mean,maybe the VC will threaten to invade again like Johnson said they could in "65. so the money WAS spent and profit WAS made. so,getting them off inventory sending them to Ukraine with (free) transport cost us nothing? the MIC replaced them free? your claim that Europe has sent much to Ukraine is denied many places and make a much better case than you have.. Saudi,Germany,UK,Australia are top industrialized nations with large militaries? are you kidding? Australia has no enemies except likely China. they gonna protect themselves from that? noooo that is another one for us to protect,with BTW,a fair amount of reason to do so. we are stuck with Saudi,despite most terrorists attacking us have been Sunnis being being funded thru them and Qatar. 9/11ers were Saudis not Iraquis. i guess you think that invasion was a good deal for us? look how good the end game was. we can deal with Saudi because we have to being tied up with them with oil. doesn't sound much like you mind spending big $ on Fascist regiemes Australia,UK,Germany and a big YES Ukraine are now are at least as bad in Germany 1940. i have to wonder whether they are worth dealing with at all educate yourself on what is going in those places and the rest of w.Europe. sounds like you believe Putin wants to conquer all of Europe. i just see no evidence that he wants to or really could. he can't possibly be stupid as Obama,Miley,Biden,Bush 2,Clinton,Austin,Graham,Mcconnel,so many,many more. he is corrupt but not even close to Clinton and Obiden.
wonder if you have sons,or daughters even. if so,you gonna be happy to send them off to die or get maimed for the likes of Ukraine or anywhere else in Europe? you war mongers are all happy to get other people's kids killed for the God of showing how great your delusions are. of course you think you will help the deep state attain great military glory with no shedding of Americn blood.
that shit hasn't had a thing to do do with defending America since probably the mid/late 19th century.
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Silencer Central, if true Phuck them!

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MO Fugga said:
What happened with RRA?
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RRA and Springfield armory did this:

"As you probably know, the lobbying arm of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms recently cut a deal with Illinois Senator Don Harmon to exclude the gunmakers from a licensing scheme. As a result, SB 1657 passed the Illinois State Senate and is headed to the House. It’s a horrible bill that includes onerous licensing for FFL’s and a nine transfer limit for Land of Lincoln gun owners."

When word got out, they both then lobbied the House to defeat the bill. The fact though that they gave a lot of money to anti-gun democrats pissed off a lot of gun owners in Illinois. They then claimed their lobbiest went rogue.

Here is a link to one of the articles written about it.

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House Budget Proposal to remove Tax on Suppressors but not remove it from the NFA

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supercorndogs said:
Would the other 10% of your complaints be about voting for a guy who said he wants to do one thing, but when he has the litteral opportunity to do that thing he refuses and makes excuses. "It wouldn't have passed senate reconciliation... The other memebers of the commity thought it would. It definitely won't pass now.
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Take a win, even if you think it’s not enough. Removing a $200 fee, that has been in effect for 90 years, is a pretty big step in the right direction.

Everyone I know who does not own a suppressor, has listed the wait time and the cost of the stamp as their reasons. With wait times down, the possibility of the stamp price going away removes the second big barrier for people. I’ve never had someone tell me they don’t own a suppressor because of the fingerprints or the paperwork.
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Silencer Central, if true Phuck them!

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alamo5000 said:
The US far and away leads the world in suppression technology. If you want a suppressor that would have been sold in the 1990s you can look at a lot of other countries suppressors. Now many of them are doing much better in the way of product lines, but generally speaking you have garage built tech for the most part. Part of the reason for that is simply that the US has the volume of sales (and competition) to support the industry.

Generally speaking suppressors (and certain gun parts in general) are expensive because of the materials science involved. For example consider the bolt of an AR-15. Tiny little part but the materials and science that prevents those from exploding within the first 100 rounds is quite complicated. Suppressors are in general no different.

In general it's not as simple as using a metal lathe on some cheap steel. On top of that a suppressor today isn't the same one from 15 years ago. There is usually a lot of testing involved in say making a supressor tailor made for use on a gas gun vs a bolt gun. They might have to make dozens of one model and shoot 10s of thousands of rounds for each one to make sure it works before bringing it to market. And then on top of that they are not using cheap machines to make modern supressors. A CNC machine and a wire EDM and a laser welder (or whatever else they need) all have to be maintained, including making payments on their $4 or $5 million dollars worth of machinery.

Then you need a shop, and you need to hire people to run everything. Just to get a sniff of the action it could be $5 to $10 million dollars just to try to bring the stuff to market all with no guarantees that anyone will buy anything.

In short personally I think supressors are fairly priced considering everything involved, and we haven't even touched on the regulations involved, nor the taxes that exist outside of the $200 we see as consumers.
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Night Vision Athlon Cronus CL35 640 - first impressions, first hunt

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Well, much appreciation for the fact you just made me fall in love with the NOX35 all over again.

I will say it is apples and oranges -

NOX = 2X more expensive, dedicated unit, and while "American" may not be a metric that makes it "better"... but, also lacks a single bell, and does not have whistle. B&W, manual everything.

Athlon = Half the cost, laser range finder built in, and absolutely clear enough for my purposes which is primarily hogs and coyotes. It also has a lot more of the bells and whistles - full color, records video and audio, and I'll repeat - laser range finder.

I pulled these out at the same time immediately prior to this post. I have to say, I usually use the NOX35 on brightness 2, with the black background and white outline. I find it works very, very well in practice. A pig, a deer, a coyote, and a cow are all distinct enough that I'm not going to shoot the wrong thing. I'll occasionally over to another palate to get a different view, but in practice I roll with the black background and white outline as there is almost no eye fatigue.

Switching to white and black hot and going to brightness 5, it is a different optic. It is light, eye fatigue isn't a problem, resolution is fantastic.

As much as I love the NOX - it is my #1 go to - my old Zeus, our Steiner C35G2, our Burris BTS50 and the Athlon all have the ability to go red hot, and we universally agree that is the go to setting if it is available.

The Athlon is not quite as high resolution. I had it in front of a 4x32 ACOG when I first picked it up tonight and then threw it on in front of a VX6 HD 1-6 to make sure I'm giving it a fair shake. Its hard to say what the resolution difference is exactly - clip on, different host optics etc - but... 87.2%*?

It is for sure more than adequate. The apples/oranges is - you can throw the Athlon in your kit and turn day gun into night gun, and I'm gonna keep saying - laser range finder. That is such a game changer. I would love to upgrayyedd to a Halo XRF, but I am blessed with two capable sons that I assist with kit and I'd rather have a NOX35 + second shooter with the Athlon and range finder than one XRF.

I think it is this simple -

If your budget is $3500 or less, you want the ability to clip on, and you want a laser range finder, you get all that and enough resolution to do God's work. It isn't a great spotter, but it can serve as one.

If your budget is more than $3500 but less than an XRF, I'd hunt for a NOX35.

If you can afford a XRF, I don't have specific experience with that unit but if it is what I think - a deluxe NOX35 + a LRF - that is extremely potent piece of equipment.

Sidebar comment on clip vs dedicated - I've come to feel there is a real benefit to using a handheld or helmet scanner if you have are using a dedicated scope on a rifle. if you're moving without white light, swinging a rifle around to navigate et al gets old quick.

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Silencer Central, if true Phuck them!

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Buck Wilde said:
I'm a lawyer (sorry). I am pretty sensitive to weaseling and BS in general. Silencer Central's response is not credible to me, although that doesn't prove they're trying to fool us. It could, just barely conceivably, mean they are inept at PR.

If I had to guess, I would guess that they're trying to fool us. Now that the shocking lobbyist form is out, the burden of proof is on them, and they haven't carried it.

If I ran Silencer Central AND I were in favor of removing the ban (my loose term for it), I would say this in my public response to this scandal: "Silencer Central is 100% in favor of removing silencers from the NFA and federal background check requirements, period."

Then I would make some effort to explain what "develop and support suppressor tax stamp conservation legislation" means. To me, the plain meaning of "conserving tax stamp legislation" is "keeping silencers in the NFA." Like Al Capone lobbying to keep prohibition.

Why didn't they say something like I would have said? They could have. They're not stupid. Anyone who has dealt with them knows they are very sharp, capable guys.

My guess, which is only a guess, is that they lobbied to keep silencers in the NFA and didn't think they would be caught.

If I were trying to get rid of silencer regulation, and I had to fill out the lobbyist form, I would say, "support deregulation of silencers, including removal of silencers from the National Firearms Act and the abolishment of all federal background check requirements." I would never in a million years write "develop and support suppressor tax stamp conservation legislation".

Their claim that they want to "crawl" before they "run" is somewhat ridiculous. It only makes sense with regard to laws that can be approached incrementally, like the now-nonexistent Constitutional right to abortion. Abortion is complicated. People fought over the trimester system. They fought over rape and incest and so on. It was possible to allow or prohibit a whole bunch of things separately. Silencers are not like that. There are three very simple issues: background checks, taxes, and the federal registry.

Their claim that they would sell more silencers without regulation also sounds like deception. Right now, they can charge $1600 for a stamp, processing, and a little can that probably cost them $75 to make. Other companies don't want to get involved because of the hassle, so competition is very limited. If you could walk into Ace Hardware and buy a silencer without an ID, which is how things should be, it's safe to say we would be paying a hundred bucks for the very best silencers, if that. The Chinese would probably be shipping pretty good ones here for $20. It would absolutely wipe out the huge markups silencer companies charge.

If you can sell one silencer and make a grand, do you really want to make and sell a hundred of them in order to make the same profit, with countless competitors trying to undercut you?

Silencers are cheap to make, as the link to the French site proves. Titanium isn't gold. You can buy a titanium cutting board for $100. CNC businesses are not hard to start, and machining silencer parts is very simple. I am a hack machinist, and I could make one easily.

As for the whores in Congress, offering to remove the tax without removing the registry requirement and the NFA background requirement is insulting. No one cares much about the tax. We care about waiting a year, being on a federal registry, and the possibility of being charged with a crime for making a silly technical error such as lending a silencer to a family member. The hassle and the criminal liability are the issues, and Congressmen know that.

Bottom line: I will be surprised if I learn that Silencer Central hasn't been working to keep silencers regulated. Maybe it will happen, but I'll bet it doesn't.
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You as a hack machinist can copy any of these? This is the tech from 12 years ago. Good luck.

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Have you cut anything other than brass steel or aluminum? If not you don't know what you are talking about.

Also some recent comparisons.
6061 aluminum selling for $2.20-4.50/ pound. 7075 $4-7/ pound.
Titanium 6al4v $10-30/ pound.
Inconel $20-80/ pound
Remember 90+% will be turned into chips. You still have to have enough to chuck on, can't really nest parts so that adds for each piece.








More for everybody else.



As to those French cans, most at the beginning are only rated for 22lr only and made out of 2014 or 2024 aluminum (equivalent of duraluminum that they claim).



The browning one (still for 22lr) is $106 and made of aluminum with stainless thread.



Ase eco is $134. Still aluminum, still 22lr.



Ase sl7i 30 cal non magnum at $660 is cast and welded black steel and 300 series stainless. 20oz and 6.3" long, 1.75" Dia and does 30db only.



Sl8i 300blk, $938. 29-31 dba subsonic, 18-24 dba super sonic. Black steel and 300 stainless. 19.2 Oz, 7.8" long, 1.7" dia



Good luck cleaning most of them.



Comparisons from silencershop (some out of stock)

Silencer Co warlock. 22lr aluminum. $199. How much did they pay in taxes already?

Gemtech tracker. Titanium aluminum, 30 cal. $470.

Ocl polonium. 17-4, 30 cal. $532.

There are 12 30 cal cans cheaper than the sl7i, and 55 that they list cheaper than the sl8i.
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