Decent deal or not?
- By Jeffrey Ryle
- Semi-Automatic Rifles
- 6 Replies
Looks like a pretty good deal to me, not super familiar with the rifle listed (SP) wondering other’s opinions on it..
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I have spent quite a bit of time in Africa, and I can assure you desegregation in the US cannot hold a candle to most of Africa when they decide it’s time to shake things up.A civil post. What an oddity.
I have not. I know a couple three people who have lived there as residents/citizens. Their personal accounts serve as more than enough for me to never to want to set foot there or even send a nickel.
I'm not sure what you think you may have seen in my other posts but I have made no claims or comments to say I believe South Africa will thrive or even survive if they oust all the white farmers or whoever and local non-whites take over.
But, unlike so many before you with panties twisted up in knots over things I actually didn't say, you posted a measured response about your actual experiences. Kudos.
History definitely paints a bleak picture for the future of South Africa should it stay on the current path. I just haven't ruled out the slim possibility that they might have an epiphany, hire consultants, maybe even white consultants, to run things for them once they confiscate it.
I was there in the 60's for desegregation, civil rights, all of it. I've seen everything you talk about without having the travel to Africa.
^^^^^^^^This!2) I know how you feel about the many failed attempts to duplicate the Fortner action. Sorry, that motion and feel is still what I want most and can you make it dry fire safe and fit in a 700 chassis, thanks. Don't do it like their weird Fortner sporter model either, I want the thumb pad on the back. That geometry is what makes it so slick to use. I don't want some nasty Savage straight pull abomination either. I want a straight pull that feels like a Fortner when you run it. I want it to feel like it's running on ball bearings lubed with the tears of liberals. It's really kind of surprising I don't have a Fortner yet actually.
This is awesome Jim, and I sincerely appreciate you sharing your thoughts. You're right, there were so many short cuts taken on the Rem700 that, back in the day, almost every post from those involved in using them as the host of a custom build was about how to "blueprint" them. Longstanding internet wars were fought over the topic and lots of feelings were hurt over "accuracy guarantees." Then, the "Clone War," that, in its own way was much the same as the "blueprinting" and "accuracy guarantee" war, just with different players. I don't think Mike Walker envisioned any of it.I have a few thoughts. First off, thanks for stepping in and providing a source for parts kits and the cost effective poly magazines. I'm sure I'm not alone in intending to continue to run my Vudoo indefinitely. Without question it is the rifle I shoot the most and enjoy the most. .22lr just can't be beat.
As for moving away from a 700 platform in the future, there may not be a ton of folks around that remeber why the 700 got so popular. As you mentioned, it's was not because it was a good action design. In many ways it is the opposite of this. The 700 was designed to be cheaper to manufacture than previous designs and many of it's issues are because of that. The very low cost to manufacure original Walker trigger for instance attaches with pins because those pins are actually part of the trigger function. One is the pivot for the topsear and the other a travel stop for same. Pins are a terrible way to attach a trigger, they allowed a very cheap design though. Much of the rest of the design is similar such as the trigger safety and 60degree trigger / cocking piece interface. These are not a good design. Neither was the clip extractor, bolt stop, and small bedding area. Back in the early days of this site and community the 700 didn't gain popularity for the action design, it did so because factory 700's, especially 5R's, shot damn good compared to other contenders. This was due to using better barrels more than anything else though I do think using shouldered barrels was a good move compared to other designs as well. Of course, now we are all talking custom semi clone actions and small shop cut barrels. Many of the 700 design problems are, of course corrected in custom actions. Your still stuck with the small bedding area and terrible trigger interface though. Ironic that aftermarket trigger makers have done so much work on that trigger that I challenge any trigger to stand up to a 2-stage bix. Seriously, there is no comparison. Anschutz and Walther can take their 3-position rifle triggers and shove them, the bix is better. That brings us to the fundemental issue. The 700 platform has intrinsic issues and those are certainly magnified when it comes to .22lr magazines and feeding with everybody using slightly different stock / bottom metal dimensions and the magazine attaching to that instead of the action. The 700 also has an unbelevably huge ecosystem of amazingly good and mostly interchangable parts. How much will you really gain departing from it? Even if you can have a 90 degree trigger interface and the trigger doesen't hammer in but has some nice screws or something will it be as good as a Bix or a TT? What will the real world improvement be from a slightly faster lock time or a better bedding area? Honestly, I doubt the changes could warrent steping outside the ecosystem. I guess perhaps you could go with the Tikka footprint as most of the ecosystem now also has Tikka verisons though I'm not sure how much that gains you.
Anyhow, some things that might be interesting:
1) A trigger hanger or threaded trigger pins because hammering in trigger pins is so fucking stupid.
2) I know how you feel about the many failed attempts to duplicate the Fortner action. Sorry, that motion and feel is still what I want most and can you make it dry fire safe and fit in a 700 chassis, thanks. Don't do it like their weird Fortner sporter model either, I want the thumb pad on the back. That geometry is what makes it so slick to use. I don't want some nasty Savage straight pull abomination either. I want a straight pull that feels like a Fortner when you run it. I want it to feel like it's running on ball bearings lubed with the tears of liberals. It's really kind of surprising I don't have a Fortner yet actually.
3) It might be possible to do a .22lr barrel interface that clamps the barrel in place instead of having it thread in. .22lr just dosen't generate enough thrust for a pre-tensioned shouldered interface to be nessecarry. I expect clamp attachment would allow drop in barrels while not needing either a fragile cone breach or the barrels to be individualy timed to the action as the user could just rotate the barrel to line up the ejector and extractor grooves. I expect the clamp screws could be on the top in front of the scope rail.
4) Affordable, reliable, magazines.
5) I would really prefer a solid bolt mounted safety that I trust over a trigger based one. A lot of 700 triggers actually have versions that come without the safety as many feel trigger based safeties, arnen't.
Anyhow, I look forward to keeping up with whatever you end up planning.
I've put flats on my Tikka barrels, and haven't had any issues.Was thinking of doing wrench flats on my tikka instead of the switch lug I was planning on. How much torque is safe to put on wrench flats out on the muzzle? Can you put the wrench flats in front of the chamber instead where the barrel is heavier or will that create an issue? I’d rather this than use a barrel vise because reasons. If the flats will work, and it won’t hurt the barrel to put that amount of torque on it with the flats, that what I’d like to do.
I call BS on the James Carville trying to keep him in there. He fucking hates that man child.
Salt, you forgot salt.
You must buy the worst steaks if you put all that garbage on them to make them taste better. A horse steak, a kangaroo steak or something should get that kinda treatment but if your ribeye is that bad you should feed it to the dog. The Chinese don't even put that much garbage on cat or dog and it tastes good.