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Kahles vz ZCO

I run a ZCO and even I find the hyper-defensive nature of the ZCO lads to be a bit much a lot of the time.
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Kahles vz ZCO

Unbelievable :rolleyes: :eek:..........


Maybe he wants ZCO to leave the forum just like the other manufacturers... I have sold and handled thousands of ZCO's since 2019, I track potential issues and look for trends. Not one off stuff, if there was a consistent problem than I'd discuss it with Jeff on our weekly calls to help me get through these backorders.

Do you really think I'd put my name and reputation on a product with a consistent problem? I don't need that type of headache and have dropped products and manufacturers with consistent QC or CS problems.

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Hello from France
Can you give all three dimensions with and without mount in order to know which model will fit.
Do you mean depth is 31.3 mm ?
On the following picture, the 16 mm height seems incorrect, it should be around 19 mm.
Or maybe 16 mm is the height above the inside of the picatinny rail…
Thanks

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Why do you ask that? In the very picture you included, it shows the thickness of the led unit as 12.7mm. Is it a stretch to imagine that 3.3mm is added using that particular picatinny mount?

Maybe this picture from their site can help:

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Edit: that’s a CR2032 battery in the picture for size comparison.

Or go directly to to the page where they are for sale:

Kahles vz ZCO

As promised, here are some more links.

Despite these issues, I’d prob still choose ZCO over Kahles due to their apparently superior customer service. Doubly so due to Kahles/Swaro’s lawfare about their FOV patent #FovGate. (Swaro owns Kahles)






So what is your motivation with all this? I spoke to or have been involved with many of these personally. You think what's posted on the forum is the whole story? I have call logs and PM's that fill in more information Dude give it a rest...

Some of those people are not even on the forum anymore.

Not anonymous,

Richard
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If you truly have a concern then call ZCO and Jeff himself will answer

Can we talk shooting technique?

I don't do NEARLY enough prone shooting. I really need to focus a lot more on that. If you think about it its probably THE most important to master too. The floor will always be there for you (assuming u arent on a mountain) but you may not be able to shoot off a car, tree stump, etc. I need to do a lot more of that.

Thankfully it was DRILLED into my head as a new shooter to always try to get the buttstock as close to the center of your chest as possible. So I never used that angle technique in the pic above.

I completely agree about the scope rings!!! Anything lower than 1.5" is just torture on my neck. I have never gone as high as 1.93" but if its more comfy why not?? As long as the ballistics software reflects it doesnt matter at all (assuming u arent trying to use a thermal clip on or something)

Did you ever see that MDT video when they elevated the scope to a RIDICULOUS height just to prove it doesnt matter at all? I saw that and thought "no more sore neck for me" lol
I did not see the video. Got a link?
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Kahles vz ZCO

Just so everyone knows, these non-public ZCO failures on big magnum that I hear about are not from @wooferocau. I tagged him because he had some ZCO issues that I can’t remember if he’s ever explicitly detailed. I don’t know exactly what they were, or I’ve forgotten lol. He’s just one of the few who’s put his name on a report. He’s had lots of issues with certain S&B models too, but other S&B’s seem to work fine.

But let’s set aside Mr. Woof…I probably shouldn’t have even brought up his name as some try to discredit ALL ZCO problem reports by alluding to his history on the matter.

Anyway, like @kthomas has heard, there are a few people quietly talking. But the fallout has been apparently and largely mitigated due to:
  1. ZCO’s excellent customer service (replacement, quick turnaround, etc)
  2. few people can afford these scopes who then generate necessarily few reports
  3. and the fact that quite a few owner dudes have a complicated interpersonal arrangement with equipment manufacturers (not just ZCO).
As in, dudes don’t want to publicly complain as that might impact their close relationship with the manufacturer or rep in the future. What if they complain publicly and the scope fails again? Will they be taken care of in the same manner?

As someone wholly outside that space, I’m just passing info along so people realize what they see might be artificially rose-colored. This 🌹 phenomenon occurs across all brands but especially in low-volume luxury niche ones.

Also happens with gunsmiths! Like when you find out that the most-excellent ‘smith who is talked up ad nauseam on the forums turns out to be a total putz.


Yeah I know of another very vocal person on this matter who is now gone, he also threatened legal action out of nowhere when we didn't even sell him the scope. So screw that noise...

Here's what I recommend, if they don't want to post it publicly than maybe it should not be posted publicly by someone else. Unfortunately, there are many people who have no morals in this industry and have a hidden or not so hidden agenda. We can go round and round all day on who said what and it really does not matter much. But there is a reason that manufacturers chose not to engage on the hide due to complaints that may or may not be their fault. @Lowlight and this community does not benefit from speculation from some anonymous source and we lose as a community when manufacturers decide it's too much of a headache to be here. The hide is great to share information and knowledge with some debauchery in the Bear Pit. But let's not be an echo chamber on information that might not even be good information.

Let's be adults and try to have a better signal to noise ratio.


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So you can do that shit in Atlanta, but two hours north, my two day Prime delivery takes a week. Slackers. 🤣
He should hang, right next to Fauci, in Times Square, and put that shit on TV during prime time.

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This is probably the wrong place to ask, but people mentioned serial numbers earlier... I've acquired 2 Vudoo 360s in the last 6 months, one from DI and one from Europtic. They are both serialized

VGWTxxxx

Is there any significance to the T lettering?
Doubt it. My factory barreled action purchased from Altus in June 2024 has VGWT47xx.

Can we talk shooting technique?

A lot of it comes down to what you are comfortable with. I also have some precision ARs but as long as I have been shooting, I still try to perfect my technique.

One position that I have not been able to adapt to is the "preferred" prone position behind a precision rifle on a bipod. That's the technique in which the shooter is squared up on the rifle. This is the best illustration that I could find. I cannot get into that position without feeling like it's putting a strain on my entire body.

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I shot a lot of high-power competition with M-1 Garand and 1903 Springfield rifles. So this is the prone position that I am comfortable with, even when shooting a chassis equipped rifle off of a bipod. So if I'm helping someone new to precision rifles, I have to tell them my problem with muscle memory and to experiment with what works for them.

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As for my non-trigger hand, I use it to squeeze the rear bag for elevation adjustments. With the trigger hand, I put the thumb on the same side. It is not wrapped around the grip. I do pull straight back on the grip a little to keep constant pressure of the buttstock on my shoulder.

Within the last few years, I've altered my breathing technique. It use to be recommend practice to take a deep breath, let half of it out then hold it. I stopped doing that and have a slow relaxed breathing rate. I keep breathing. That way my heart doesn't go up.

I also changed my scope rings on the chassis rifles to either high or extra high. The long held theory was to have your scope as close to the barrel as possible. However, that puts too much strain on the neck, trying to get the head in position.

So with the high or extra high rings, the problem with cheek weld is eliminated by raising the cheek piece to get the eye aligned with the scope. With AR-15 rifles, the cantilever scope mount gets the scope up high anyway. My buttstocks on the AR-15s have adjustable cheek pieces.
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That's funny I can't decide how I want to keep my thumb either. Sure a precision grip is easier and it feels like you have better control shooting groups.....but I like to think (pretend) I am training for the real world and if SHTF I'd want to be able to keep the same grip for all my AR shooting positions. So I think I may force myself to keep a normal grip on all my AR shooting.
When you do this you have to remember fundamentals. How you hold the pistol grip affects the recoil path which affects your follow through.