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Ukraine war Bullshit.

Namekagon
nkk said:
Wouldn't a 9/11 be flying jet liners into civilian skyscrapers? I thought the zigger lovers in here equated destroying their strategic to pearl harbor? But wouldn't that be full scale bombing a naval/air base and killing +2400 troops while not currently engaged in a hot war? Or are we just throwing out memorable bad things? Is the attack on the Kerch bridge the holocaust of bombings?
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Actually, Pearl Harbor IS a better analogy. The Japanese conducted a daring raid that was wildly successful.........except they failed destroy the aircraft carriers. And as such, despite all the sunken ships, they hadn't changed America's ability to project power in the Pacific. The result was they got their asses kicked back to their island and two cities melted by an adversary they couldn't go toe-to-toe with. And why should be fund you again?
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Feds building cross dept gun owner database

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This isn't new, feds have been stockpiling massive amounts of data on a variety of focal points. There's a variety of ways your information passes through public venues that through EULA's you've agreed to both actively, and passively, you've granted access for them to compile and use the data how they see fit. They will use a variety of tools that they've created and analyze data in ways to assist in making decisions on topics they're focused on. You're worried about the government over reaching and violating your constitutional rights, and yet you use google, facebook, instagram, perhaps even tiktok, ect. Have you read those EULA's? Of course not, they're very long, contain legal language that doesn't make sense to the laymen. There is nothing the government doesn't already know about you, and your habits, that social media, and the largest data brokers in the world, haven't already sold to them, and you agreed to it on the EULA that you signed in some form or another. If you want to sue over it, then you have to go through binding arbitration that you also agreed to, and use a arbitor that they're paying for, that is almost certainly going to rule in their favor, not yours.

You'd basically have to live like it's 1950, on a paid for piece of property, that has it's taxes paid for from a trust that's managed by a trusted 3rd party that only communicates with you through snail mail, and you'd have to never leave the property, and be 100% self sustaining on said property, in order to not have a massive digital trail that shows everything you've done, and are doing, and even then, the .gov is going to be very suspicious of you.
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CZ 457 MTR like new. 20 inch factory barrel. 150 rounds fired. I've got too many 22s and need to sell one.
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Comes with original box. Bipod not included.

Located near Fort Worth, TX. $850 local sale. Add actual shipping costs for out of area.
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Feds building cross dept gun owner database

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Fx51LP308 said:
I think the easier approach would be, simply, to avoid the harbor tunnels, altogether. Avoid the Baltimore Harbor and Ft. McHenry Tunnels and use the bridges instead (Francis Scott Key Bridge, Chesapeake Bay Bridge, etc.). The reason why MTAP is so "omnipresent" at the tunnels is that they are a much harder asset to protect and represent a way much higher cost (both time & $$$) to repair or replace if destroyed by a terrorist attack or something. A bridge could be repaired/replaced relatively quickly. A tunnel, not so much. This is not to say that MTAP doesn't patrol the bridges either, but not as voraciously as the tunnels.
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Tunnels scare me, I avoid them whenever possible. Imagine being in there and some moron touches of a truck full of fertilizer. And going in one in LA is out of the question.
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Ukraine war Bullshit.

kthomas
kalashnikev said:
NOOOOOO BORTHER!!!

HODL THE LINE!!!

Attack was ineffective, and no card was played. Mother Russia is stronger with no people, no money, no army, and now no bombers.



Perhaps one of the most DELISH elements of Operation Web is that it exclusively and very precisely targeted military assets and deleted them.

Rooskie Animals heard about something called computer vision and thought they could put old Soviet tires on the wings to confuse autonomous attack platforms.

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In the real world- those only helped them identify the Soviet strategic assets.

You could have parked an Aeroflot passenger plane right in between those tire-buried bombers and it would have been safe.
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Instead of cheering on the war from the comfort of your home like it's a sports team, why aren't you over there fighting?

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Ukraine war Bullshit.

Namekagon
nkk said:
Wouldn't a 9/11 be flying jet liners into civilian skyscrapers? I thought the zigger lovers in here equated destroying their strategic to pearl harbor? But wouldn't that be full scale bombing a naval/air base and killing +2400 troops while not currently engaged in a hot war? Or are we just throwing out memorable bad things? Is the attack on the Kerch bridge the holocaust of bombings?
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Ukraine gave Russia a 9/11, as in an event that galvanizes the citizens behind the desire to make war. They did so with an attack that changed their position on the battlefield fucking zero. It gained Ukraine NOTHING. Not a foot of ground. Not another day. Nothing. But it sure pissed Russia off. Great move. Why should we fund you again?
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Ukraine war Bullshit.

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232593 said:
That’s still a pretty significant degradation to the air component of their nuclear triad. And if a sub ended up being hit….
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NOOOOOO BORTHER!!!

HODL THE LINE!!!

Attack was ineffective, and no card was played. Mother Russia is stronger with no people, no money, no army, and now no bombers.

nkk said:
Wouldn't a 9/11 be flying jet liners into civilian skyscrapers?
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Perhaps one of the most DELISH elements of Operation Web is that it exclusively and very precisely targeted military assets and deleted them.

Rooskie Animals heard about something called computer vision and thought they could put old Soviet tires on the wings to confuse autonomous attack platforms.

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In the real world- those only helped them identify the Soviet strategic assets.

You could have parked an Aeroflot passenger plane right in between those tire-buried bombers and it would have been safe.
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Ukraine war Bullshit.

Namekagon
SNB said:
Yes, everyone knows this - Russia gave up the world's 3rd nuclear potential and signed the Budapest Memorandum because it did not want a nuclear war.
Unlike Ukraine, which has been looking for excuses to attack all this time.
It gathered all its troops on the borders of Russia, supposedly for training. All world leaders started calling Zelensky and warned him many times not to do this. That it would be a disaster.
But unfortunately for the world, Zelensky did not listen to anyone and declared that he would capture Moscow in three days and would denazify, demilitarize everyone there and generally punish them for trying to carry out decommunization.
Offended by the encroachment on the sacred, he said so -
we will show you "decommunization"
And at the end of his speech, Zelensky added - why do we need such a world if there is no Ukraine in it?...
After that, everything flew in this direction.
I'm tired of explaining this to everyone here, but it seems like it should be like this, let everything go to hell, all of you.


Соси хуй, Ваня.
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I never said Russia didn't start it. I also never said Russia was right to invade. I disagree with both.


What I said was it was stupid for Ukraine to beg the west to pay for their defense against a former super-power and then act like that former super-power can't still wipe them off the map with the push of a button, and in the process drag the world into a world-ending conflict. Guess what, I don't give a big-enough shit about Ukrainian freedom to go that far. So stop being dumbasses and pushing the world to the brink, because if you don't its safer to let Putin have you. Z needs to sit the fuck down and wait for the adults to talk to HIM, because, when he starts playing with nuclear deterrents, he is out of his league.
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Ukraine war Bullshit.

Namekagon
nkk said:
That's cool you believe in free speech, me too, but calling everyone who disagrees with you dumb/democrat/hitler/maga/antifa/nazi/privilaged etc. is a rather reductive use of free speech and doesn't help prove a point when you're capable of coherent thought and conversation.


A point I never argued


Russia could launch nukes, sure, to accomplish what exactly? Russia uses those exact model of bombers to lob cruise missiles from safe distances into civilian population centers. Valid targets, successful strike, russia cries about "muh nooks!" and zigger appologists pearl clutch while the US and every NATO member is better for having less pieces the opposing side has a chess board. What percent of military hardware and soldiers KIA/WIA constitutes a threat? What do you consider a threat? Does having one nuclear weapon make you a threat? I don't understand your point, and won't revert to ad hominem, even though you opened up with one, and immediately went into a strawman.



I like analogies too. This is more like the United States launching a blitzkrieg on mexico, aiming for regime change in Mexico City, but being beaten back to within 30 miles of the border after three years and losing 54 strategic bombers in Alaska, Washington and Maine in a single day to FPV drones piloted in Cancun.



Which war did the US lose because of a lack of political support, and not undefined, unrealistic and unachievable political objectives by military means? MCDP-1, Warfighting qoutes Carl von Clausewitz;

"The political object is the goal, war is the means of reaching it, and the means can never be considered in isolation from their purposes"

Establishing a beacon of feminism and democracy in Afghanistan was never going to happen, nor propping up a puppet government in South Vietnam.

You're also wrong to think I'm a Ukrainian, and after watching a non-NATO, neighboring country completely dismantle the image of the big iron bear to be a rotted corps of military mismanagement and kleptocracy I'm not convinced russia is a credible threat to anyone besides trying to bumrush Estonia and failing miserably at this point. They seem content throwing human lives into machine guns in true russian fashion though, so you have to give them credit for their consistency.
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Seriously, ad hominem attacks?? You have done nothing but call Gunfighter grandpa, or boomer, or whatever. No real argument with him at all, just names. I called you an idiot because you are one, and told you why you are. Strawman? Seriously??? Its not a strawman argument to say Ukraine can't win, just survive. Its the truth. And here we discover the fundamental problem with your position. You have not accepted as truth that Ukraine cannot defeat Russia.

I do concede you are correct that Russia isn't the military power we thought it was before this war. But I have another question...I grew up watching Boris Yeltsin follow Bill Clinton around like a puppy dog like once a week on TV. While the soviets were clearly our enemy before the collapse, Russia clearly wasn't our enemy when I was a kid. So when did they become the enemy again?
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