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I am asking why in rimfire, how did we get to groups 10, 20, 50 shots?
There is a good explanation of group size analysis with regard to the number of shots in a group here http://the-long-family.com/group_size_analysis.htm

Group size represents the repeatability of the rifle and ammo.

Unlike good hand loaded CF ammo, no matter the name on the box with .22LR shooters are at the mercy of the vagaries of the production line. In essence, the more shots in a group, the better the picture of the shooting characteristics of a box of ammo.

With good .22LR ammo most rounds will shoot have a POI at or very near the POA (when they are the same). But some shots will strike further away from the center, with some being further and further away. Below is a simulation of the POI of 250 shots (taken from the source linked above).

The more points of impact that are included the more representative they are of the performance of the rifle/ammo.

The official anti-Pride month thread

Maybe not related but maybe it is.

Recently a “citizen” (a term I use with great reluctance) announced on the Jackson Parish Community page that she was looking for a “Church that did not preach White Christian Nationalism.”

Not actually knowing of any churches in our rather conservative Christian area that preached politics i took an interest.

So, everyone has a clear picture, Church’s are considered Non-Profit organizations and thus are tax exempt. As a requirement for this status, Politics cannot be promoted in ANY WAY. Take a stand for this candidate or that candidate and you pay, literally.

So, I actually know of one of these Sunday Morning Fellowship Clubs where among other things, “pride” days and a “pride” flags are actively promoted. However, it is in the city where our son lives which is not quite in the commuting range of Jackson Parish.

What got my interest is when this “citizen” reported what a Church that preached White Christian Nationalism actually looked like. One of the marks was the flying of an AMERICAN FLAG!

Being a Veteran of Vietnam, the son of a World War II Veteran and the father of a Gulf Wars Veteran I lit into this pile of shit. Not exactly a good Christian attitude but at least I did not call shit, shit in public.

What I don’t understand, is these people who so hate the United States of America and so hate the majority of the true citizens of the United States of American, why don’t they leave and go to a country that better suits their ideas of a utopia. (Like say North Korea)

Any way, my idea of a “pride” flag may be seen below

It flew with our son when flying missions over the skies of Afghanistan

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my .02. the answer is that they want the benefits of America and it's protection. they perceive themselves powerless in the light of their perverted actions and needs so striking out when there is no downside is possible here and in the Anglosphere in general. unlikely to see such public behavior in a Latin Am or even Asian country. those countries have the same amount of homosexual people but the behavior is not encouraged,protected or
"celebrated". Muslim countries forget it. they have perverts as well but suppressed,often with extreme prejudice.
one could take this as yet another sign of the societal decline that it is.

Check out this piece of shit

In some places that he/she would get tuned up rather quickly. They know where they can & an can not get away with that B/S. LE here would turn a blind eye or call it self defense,...

I'd like to think so but unless there were a bunch of drunken bikers or something he'd get away with it, we tolerate too many impolite people, assholes etc

Just think about the people you see behaving like morons at restaurants or malls, driving like dickheads, all that stuff

Why do we educate our enemy's in the first place?

Why do we educate our nation's enemies?


The answer is simple. Most of our nation's enemies are in the Democratic party. They openly work with terrorists, drug cartels the Russians and Chinese to destroy our country and have for decades. Bill Clinton worked hard to provide the Chinese communists satellite and aircraft design and technology as well as computers and software so they could be our worst enemies. His fucking wife sold us out to the Russians for their help in the 2016 election.

How do you think the nation got flooded with foreign drug cartel operatives? Joe Biden and company did the work for EVERY drug cartel on earth to insure his family of junkies has a lifetime supply of dope.

The democrats started a war in Ukraine and have been rewarded with billions in skim. Fuck they made Lord Voldemort the richest guy in Ukraine, he went from a net worth of just over $1 mil US, to low billions in four short years. Every time he buys another luxury hotel, private jet, villa in Egypt or 100 meter yacht we all pretend the purchase is "russian disinformation".

Look at congress for fucks sakes. Congressmen and women make a billion a year from insider trading alone. Millions of illegals are on welfare, medicaid and food stamps costing the taxpayers billions upon billions annually and not one fucking Republican is going to stop it. The "bid beautiful bill" is the largest collection of absolute horseshit ever written. Ending taxes on overtime will fuck the country. This has shit to do with waiting tables or shit like that. It is full on bribes for every crooked cop and lazy fucking fireman sleeping thru a shift.

Our biggest enemies live right fucking here and half of them are posting on the hide.

Blue Buffer spring drama. Malfunctions with new springs. Anyone else seen this?

Issue 1 - Check your buffer retaining pin for damage (slightly bent tip, etc) and ensure that it is properly secured by the buffer tube. Next check your bolt catch to ensure it pivots freely and no debris is trapped underneath it. If both are fine, the BCG might've been dragging on the hammer.

Issue 2 - Bolt over base malfunctions happens BCG outruns the magazine feed rate (weak mag spring or you need to clean your magazine if the follower is dragging slightly) and if it's working with a milspec buffer spring weight, you're probably oversprung with the Sprinco Blue and short stroking. The first test is usually using a brand new magazine before swapping springs followed by testing lock back on empty with 1 round in mag, 2 rounds in the mag, and then test function with a full magazine. If it functions with less rounds in magazine, then it's a matter of short stroking and the tension from more ammo in a magazine causing the BCG to drag.


I’ll check the pin. Bolt release was moving freely, as was the charging handle. Very strange feeling to pull a charging handle all the way to the stop with zero resistance.

We tried the colt 20 rounder before we changed buffer springs. I think the blue is just too much for this rig. All good , just surprised me, but then I probably should have done more research on these before jumping in. Thankfully, it was a fairly inexpensive lesson.

I had a less than superb couple years with his firing pin and spring kit. Finally sent it off to GreTan and had it all swapped out. I appreciate the advice on this, genuinely. I’m not gonna lie, I’d be hard pressed to buy it over stock GI shit after that. That said, I only attribute that to me, and my situation. Not shitting on David’s stuff.

Mags have been running fine. I did shitcan one of 7 a few weeks ago for not feeding off an open bolt. This is from the same batch but they are not that old. Maybe C Products aren’t what they used to be?

Blue Buffer spring drama. Malfunctions with new springs. Anyone else seen this?

I go through the ARs I compete with and replace cam pins, firing pin retainers and this year I decided to change buffer springs. My main competition rifle is five years old and though it only has about 3500 rounds in it I figured why not.

Main rifles have mil spec carbine receiver extensions and all have 4oz Spikes Tactical carbine buffers. I ordered three Springco blue springs and swapped them out. Blue slings were about 1” longer than the ones I pulled so I thought at the time I made a good choice .

Issue 1. Shot about 60 rounds down a 14.5 with 5.56 RC2 ran fine. Cases drop 3’ away at 4 o’clock. All good. I put the rifle up dirty with an ECI in it. Pulled it out to get it ready for some shooting after our 3 x 1000 today. Remove the ECI, hit the bolt release and nothing. Bolt didn’t budge. I pull the charging handle back a couple times and nothing. I smack the stock with my hand and the bolt dropped. Cycles fine afterwards and shot fine but this was odd. Never seen this before. Tube and buffer are smooth, no scratches, no excessive fouling.


Issue 2: Today I bring my 15.1” RECCE out with AEM5. First time I have shot it with the new spring. I can’t get through 4 shots without the bolt skipping over the case and jamming the rifle. Did it four times. Buddy had his 14.5 with him with standard mil spec spring. We swapped them and it Ran through 30 rounds with no issues.

I’m not shitting on these springs but I’m not happy . It seems like the one in the 14.5” bound up and the one in the RECCE was too strong/fast and wouldn’t reliably run with my USGI 30 rounder or my buddies 20 round colt mag.


Anyone else ran into anything like this with these blue springs?
Buy a David Tubbs flat wire spring and never turn back to anything else
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Rifle Scopes NF 5-25 or 7-35

Lots of threads comparing the two optics. My eyes are not what they use to be, but I'm in no way handicapped by the 5-25 over the 7-35. I own and use both. I rarely ever use the extra 10x while shooting. So if you are watching your budget I'd get the 5-25. If you have the extra $$$ burning a hole in your pocket the 7-35 is slightly better.
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