FUBAR times 6!
- By Frank Green
- Bolt Action Rifles
- 82 Replies
So three weeks ago I get a call from PD not to far away from us. They are calling asking for help. I asked, "whats up?" Well we had our 7 dept rifles rebuilt by a gunsmith/shop all with your barrels and out of the 7.... only one shoots! That one just shoots small silly groups! I said really.... 1 out of 7 shoot? The officer says yes. Then he says... can I bring the worst two to you and have you guys look them over? I asked... didn't you call the shop that did the work and talk to them? Answer was yes and they took them back once already and had stuff fixed but they still don't shoot!
I said bring the worst two guns to me and will look them over for ya. He said thanks... the one rifle actually shoots 4moa!
So far we have fixed 4 out of the 6 rifles. They're suppose to bring the next two rifles in next week. Here are some of the things we found that where wrong.
Two rifles the bolt was hitting the back of the barrel. The other two the clearance at best was .004" which still isn't enough.
NV mounts installed backwards (yes doesn't effect accuracy but it's attn. to detail is my bitch there)
One rifle the trigger retaining pins where installed incorrectly. The pin that is suppose to be in the rear was in the front location which if there isn't enough stock clearance it would cause a fit issue between the barreled action and the stock.
One rifle actually had a burr or a piece of metal sandwiched between the recoil lug and the receiver face at the 6 o'clock position. When we took the barrel off to fix the bolt clearance and the muzzle crown... that small piece of metal actually left a small indent in the receiver face. Again goes back to paying attention to detail and what the hell your doing.
We had to fix all of the muzzle crowns on all of the first 4 rifles and rethread the muzzles.
I asked who's scope mounts are these? He said they where custom made! I'll get back to this further down in the reading but the mounts all had a negative MOA taper to them. Also two of the rifles the front screw was hitting the barrel threads. So we had a couple of decent not really expensive EGW 20moa bases and installed them for the first two rifles and ordered two more for the 2nd batch of guns. He said they knew they had issues with the mounts and had to use a shim on one of the rifles so they could get it on paper and have some adjustment to the scope. No more shims needed.
I would say not including range time or ammo cost... just in terms of inspection time and repair time we are averaging 7 hours for each pair of rifles.
When we got the first two rifles reworked (we actually didn't notice at first the scope mounts where messed up) I took them out to my range to test fire them. Figured better test fire them before we give them back to make sure they shoot good! I didn't want to mess with they're scopes and the focus etc... so I mounted my 8-32NXS scope. Scope was on a previous Rem. 700 in 308win so I skipped bore sighting it. That was a mistake! I sent the first round down range and no impact on the target. Said... crap... then I went to a 50 yard target... still no impact! WTF! So I pull the bolt out and to bore sight it had to remove the cheek piece as well. I look down the bore and the gun is pointed like 6" (best guess) below the target at 50 yards. So I start cranking on the elevation knob while looking down the bore and I see the cross hair coming up and then boom... the elevation knob stopped! I max'd out the adjustment and it's still really low on the target. I'm like WTF!!! So I pick the gun up and look at it from the side. That's when I noticed the neg. MOA on the scope mount. So with the scope max'd out at 65moa for travel... I held on the 18moa hash mark of the reticle and that gave me a .75" above center on the target for a zero. That's how I shot the first gun. Needed a total of 83moa just to be in the center of the target at a 100 yards. Then I/we changed all they're mounts out for something that was proper.
I did bring up with the Officer... I said, "hey were not bitching at all but we're not getting paid for any of this and I'll go on a limb and say you guys blew your budget request to get these 7 guns rebuilt but the next time I'm cruising thru your town headed to Marty's Pizza for dinner and you guys pull me over for speeding... tell your boss to give me a get out of jail free card please. He said... got ya covered!
I know the shop that did the work and bent isn't the word for it. As we worked on the first two guns I was actually pacing the floor at one point in time I was so mad.
Enjoy some of the pic's I took.
Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
I said bring the worst two guns to me and will look them over for ya. He said thanks... the one rifle actually shoots 4moa!
So far we have fixed 4 out of the 6 rifles. They're suppose to bring the next two rifles in next week. Here are some of the things we found that where wrong.
Two rifles the bolt was hitting the back of the barrel. The other two the clearance at best was .004" which still isn't enough.
NV mounts installed backwards (yes doesn't effect accuracy but it's attn. to detail is my bitch there)
One rifle the trigger retaining pins where installed incorrectly. The pin that is suppose to be in the rear was in the front location which if there isn't enough stock clearance it would cause a fit issue between the barreled action and the stock.
One rifle actually had a burr or a piece of metal sandwiched between the recoil lug and the receiver face at the 6 o'clock position. When we took the barrel off to fix the bolt clearance and the muzzle crown... that small piece of metal actually left a small indent in the receiver face. Again goes back to paying attention to detail and what the hell your doing.
We had to fix all of the muzzle crowns on all of the first 4 rifles and rethread the muzzles.
I asked who's scope mounts are these? He said they where custom made! I'll get back to this further down in the reading but the mounts all had a negative MOA taper to them. Also two of the rifles the front screw was hitting the barrel threads. So we had a couple of decent not really expensive EGW 20moa bases and installed them for the first two rifles and ordered two more for the 2nd batch of guns. He said they knew they had issues with the mounts and had to use a shim on one of the rifles so they could get it on paper and have some adjustment to the scope. No more shims needed.
I would say not including range time or ammo cost... just in terms of inspection time and repair time we are averaging 7 hours for each pair of rifles.
When we got the first two rifles reworked (we actually didn't notice at first the scope mounts where messed up) I took them out to my range to test fire them. Figured better test fire them before we give them back to make sure they shoot good! I didn't want to mess with they're scopes and the focus etc... so I mounted my 8-32NXS scope. Scope was on a previous Rem. 700 in 308win so I skipped bore sighting it. That was a mistake! I sent the first round down range and no impact on the target. Said... crap... then I went to a 50 yard target... still no impact! WTF! So I pull the bolt out and to bore sight it had to remove the cheek piece as well. I look down the bore and the gun is pointed like 6" (best guess) below the target at 50 yards. So I start cranking on the elevation knob while looking down the bore and I see the cross hair coming up and then boom... the elevation knob stopped! I max'd out the adjustment and it's still really low on the target. I'm like WTF!!! So I pick the gun up and look at it from the side. That's when I noticed the neg. MOA on the scope mount. So with the scope max'd out at 65moa for travel... I held on the 18moa hash mark of the reticle and that gave me a .75" above center on the target for a zero. That's how I shot the first gun. Needed a total of 83moa just to be in the center of the target at a 100 yards. Then I/we changed all they're mounts out for something that was proper.
I did bring up with the Officer... I said, "hey were not bitching at all but we're not getting paid for any of this and I'll go on a limb and say you guys blew your budget request to get these 7 guns rebuilt but the next time I'm cruising thru your town headed to Marty's Pizza for dinner and you guys pull me over for speeding... tell your boss to give me a get out of jail free card please. He said... got ya covered!
I know the shop that did the work and bent isn't the word for it. As we worked on the first two guns I was actually pacing the floor at one point in time I was so mad.
Enjoy some of the pic's I took.
Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
