Expected a little better velocities, groups, and deviations than this… Really don’t know where to go with powder, I do have Ramshot Grand that I might try despite having zero load data to go on…

ADG Brass, new, neck sized, mic’d for neck wall thickness, length checked, etc.

Tikka built as a long action, 22” 1-7.5tw barrel, 180gr ELD-M, H1000 powder, CCI LMR, 3.117” OAL, 0.050” jump.

I saw no pressure signs on any of these loads despite loading 0.6gr over the max Sierra recommends. None were even close to a compression load, I may try a few loads with more powder.

Reports r saying he was hit in the neck

Hey friends
trying to get a sense for what to expect for the 2025 snipers hide cup and what kind of gun to bring? Seems like a heavy ass gamer gun may not be the move

VSP had a great idea to put this up as a Sticky.
Since we get SO many questions about this, this will aid everyone( esp Noobs) on a good load.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Please list ALL components, twist, barrel mfgr,length, neck tension.
Since we know changing any variable will alter the ultimate outcome.</span>

Cedar Creek Precision – Monthly Long Range Match | Western KY





Looking for a match that breaks out of the square range routine? Come shoot with us at Cedar Creek Precision in western Kentucky. This monthly match brings a true field-style experience with natural terrain, multiple firing positions, and a fast-paced, no-BS format.





Match Style:


Find, Range, Engage – You’ll be working real-world scenarios with hidden targets, ranging on the clock, and engaging from multiple natural and improvised positions. Barricades, uneven ground, and terrain-driven angles keep it interesting.





Key Highlights:

• Two separate ranges with targets well past 1000 yards
• More than a dozen firing positions across varied terrain
• No square range setups – expect grass, hills, trees, rocks, and brush
• Positional stages with barricades, natural obstacles, and time pressure
• Varying target sizes — precision counts
• ~100+ rounds required — bring enough and a good dope card
• Fast-moving but laid-back environment — shooters helping shooters

When: Monthly — PM for upcoming dates or follow us for updates. 2nd weekend of every month. Also find them on practiscore.

9-10 August 2025
13-4 September 2025
11-12 October 2025


Where: Cedar Creek Precision –
14270 Melvin West Road
Hopkinsville, KY 42240


All skill levels welcome — experienced shooters, new long-range guys, and everyone in between





If you want a challenging but fun match to sharpen your field skills, this is it. We keep it efficient, honest, and real. No gimmicks, just good shooting. PM for sign-up or questions.

I wanted to start a new thread to avoid detailing @supercorndogs Razor LHT thread. ..

I'll start by restating my question I asked there (in response to a post by @koshkin stating that small zero shifts in the scope itself almost never occur).

I hesitate to open this can of worms, but I'm really interested in your opinion on a specific aspect of this. I haven't seen the proofing setup for the infamous Rokslide evals addressed (though it's tough to do an exhaustive search for all the conversations that happened a couple years ago when this was the hot topic of discussion). When they have a rifle bonded to a chassis, that reliably passes the evals with NF, SWFA, certain Maven and multiple Trijicon models (and a few others like older fixed Leupold, LRHS, S&B etc), wouldn't that seem to indicate that a scope can be built to withstand that kind of impact and that the eval does indeed reliably test for that level of robustness?

If multiple samples of a Leupold or Vortex scope get mounted in the same manner and they all exhibit zero shifts on those same tests, how does the "uncontrolled variables" argument hold when there are several scope models that reliably pass under the same conditions?

Worded another way, it seems to me like scope designs tend to either be around a 2-3 on an arbitrary 0-10 reliability scale or around a 8-9 and the "uncontrolled" nature of the RS drop eval might cause some 5-6 scopes to pass or fail depending on how the rifle bounces on any particular drop. Scopes that pass seem to consistently pass and ones that fail seem to consistently fail. Is the argument that there are more scopes in the 6-7 range than I think, and that 6-7 is good enough?

There have been a couple of recent interviews I've seen (Aaron Davidson on Cliff Gray's podcast for example) that have revisited the topic and discuss the evals with similar perspectives to yours but again don't address the setups that consistently pass the test. Aaron doesn't appear to be a guy who underthinks things, and neither are you (though please don't take that as me equating you with him). I'm really not trying for a "gotcha" moment here, I'm genuinely interested in your expertise. Your commentary on the topic has been interesting for me to read (along with @Glassaholic and some others) and I'd love to hear your perspective on this.

His response was as follows:

koshkin said:

I have been out of the loop with this for a bit, so I have not looked at that silly nonsense for a little while.

I suspect that which scopes pass the alleged test and which do not mostly comes down to the preferences of the people doing the testing. The one observation I'll make is that with a few scopes from different manufacturers that they tested, they claimed one brand passed every time and another failed every time. The problem is that with a couple of those, I know for a fact that on the inside it is the same exact scope except with different branding. If one fails and the other does not... we are either dealing with sample variation or dishonesty.

Aside from that, I have made several attempts over the years to track down the issues with scopes that "allegedly" were shifting zero. I even offered to do the investigation pro-bono for people who believe they experience that problem. Exactly zero people took me up on that.

A few times I have been able to investigate someone else's scope (for people I know well or that are near me geographically), it was almost always something with the mount, although rifle bedding also played a role.

I even invited Scott Parks over to join me for a livestream and to discuss different failure modes.

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While there are possibly riflescopes out there that do have small zero shifts out there, most of the time it will come down to improper mounting (not always, probably, but sufficiently seldom that I have not been able to track that down).

Small zero shifts are generally not consistent with how most riflescopes are designed. They usually either work or fail catastrophically.

As far as internet claims of all sorts go, I have sorta resigned myself that people lie. A lot. I do not know why.

A few years ago, I did a mini investigation where a gentleman I knew relatively well claimed that he has had at least one product from every product line at Vortex fail on him at least once and he finally gave up on Vortex. He claimed that he would get a replacement product, sell it and move onto something else. After some investigation, it turned out it was one product, a while back, Vortex did replace it and he did sell it. Somehow, it was like a fishing story. Every time he would tell the story, it was a larger number of products failing.

There is a Youtuber who claims that he had a particular company's product that was absolute garbage, so he sent it in and the replacement was much better. Cool story. He did two videos on it. Since I knew his name and the company, I dug into it. He sent a scope in. They cleaned a massive oil smudge off of the front of the objective lens. Did their usual QC checks on the collimator and sent it back to him. The Youtuber did get two videos out of it sounding very authoritative (every once in a while I check in on one of his videos to see if he learned anything about optics. Nope. Not a bloody thing. He still treats them like a video game).

I have a few more stories like this and they all end up the same way. I feel like the main character from House MD, who is always convinced that his patients are lying and is mostly right about it.

Every time I try to track this down, I find either bullshit or incompetence or some weird shenanigans or a combination of all three.

Does that mean that all reports of scopes shifting zero are bullshit? Not at all. There is only so much that I can investigate given the bandwidth that I have. However, until I can get some reasonable data otherwise. I am going to stick with what I know based on hundreds, if not thousands, of different scopes I have seen over the years and based on the fact that one of the things I do for my dayjob is build riflescope testers for riflescope manufacturers.

I will add that unless something really interesting pops up, I am done trying to investigate this. I have only so much time to spend on this.

ILya

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That observation about same scope with different badging is an error. The 3-15 tract was tested but not the 2.5-15 that is the "same scope" as the Maven RS1.2. That tract has not been tested.

I listened to the conversation with Scott, and you repeated the "no way to know if the shifts are coming from barrel, bedding, mounting, etc" perspective. I am saying if the rifle holds POI through a dozen drops from 3' with scope after scope from NF, SWFA, Trijicon, etc, to me it seems like that does demonstrate that the "test bed" is not the source of the shift and that scopes can absolutely be designed and built to withstand the eval. If I'm missing some crucial part of this, please help me see it.

It also tracks with my personal experience. When I was a Leupold, Vortex, etc guy it was essentially a given that beginning of the season and a couple times throughout the season I'd need to make a little adjustment to my zero. As more and more of those scopes got replaced with LRHS, SWFA, that magically went away. I learned to mount scopes correctly in that time as well, but the old scopes went in good mounts and still needed adjustments. No more issues now, I adjust zero when I change bullets or powder, but that is it. Period.

Beating the objective bell on a carpeted floor might be indicative of some aspect of reliability, but it seems to me that the eval shows that when it lands on a turret with rifle attached (something the mil test table with the swinging hammer doesn't test for, but a way more likely thing to encounter in the field), zero shifts can and do occur.

Is the position here that Form, Ryan, and everyone involved is just lying about this whole thing? There are a few other members that have replicated the tests, exposed weaknesses in their mounting setups/processeces, then corrected them and had same results as the "official" ones.

Please help me understand why so many on SH are so dismissive of these evals. It seems like much of the criticism has been addressed/explained.

They just dropped this today. Pretty cool. Specifically the part where you can swap out manifolds and drill your own ports in the manifold plates. I've been drilling and tapping the gas ports in fixed gas blocks and using the grub screws as manifolds, by drilling them out with fine #48 or #52 bits. This allows for two settings and offers manifolds with pre-drilled 0.034" holes for you to open up. Complete customization for a dual rifle setting

I’ll have a line on multiple Harris HF5800 radios, basically the PRC152. Wanted to gauge interest and see whether anyone would be interested. See the Radio details below. Will have pictures soon if enough interest is generated.

Condition: all used to varying degrees. Some pretty fresh.

Types:
- The regular green 152, internal GPS, multiband 30-512mHz
- The waterproof (black) devgru models, internal GPS, multiband 30-152mHz
- VHF only models, no internal GPS, 30-110mHz (most likely would be a package offer for 5 radios)

All radios have:
- working encryption modules; AES128, AES256, CITADEL128, CITADEL256, operator programmable
- operator programmable frequency hopper, both fixed frequency hop and wide-band hop
- over the air encrypted cloning
- all functions are unlocked and FFP programmable.
- all functions are tested and fully operational. There’s simply too many specifics to go over all here, so if you have questions on specific functions, ask.

US Persons only!!!

The pricing will be $2k-4k depending on the model and condition.

I have been using TT Diamond 2 stages in all of my rifles now for awhile. I just had a TT stop working correctly in a Vudoo and after talking to my gunsmith briefly on the phone he recommended I try something different. I had no idea I was possibly leaving accuracy on the table with my trigger choice. He spoke highly of the Bix. I want to try one of their 2 stage triggers. Who has ran one and what sear did you use? Did you test any other sears? This will be on a Vudoo 360 to be clear and definitely will be a 2 stage.... Join me as I travel further down the rabbit hole lol

Shot a match with the owner of recoilx this past fall where he had one of his prototype units and it caught my interest. I had a chance to buy a unit this last week and took it up for some testing.

Overall it performs really well... obviously slight noise penalty but very effective. I felt like it was pretty close to the best of both worlds between shooting fully suppressed vs just a brake only.

I was able to stay on target in the glass through the full recoil off a few positions and can't wait to try it on a bigger 30 cal soon.

I was using a silencerco hybrid 46 with their 30 cal self timing brake.

On a gas gun 223 it had noticably less back pressure than just my front end cap alone which I thought was interesting.

Seems like a legit option for those of us with cans already vs buying something like the maverick straight up. I have been primarily shooting a tbac can but will probably run a can with a Recoilx brake on it this season.

Not affiliated in anyway with recoilx but I think the owner is a stand up guy from my interactions with him and I like supporting solid products from good folks.



@RecoilXBrakes

I have a love of funny memes, videos and photos. Let’s let this thread focus on the funny without the nudity if that’s OK.

The last thread got accidentally deleted while trying to clean-up some moron's inappropriate post. So, let's give this one a fighting chance:

- No naked crotch pics
- No Politics
- No religious stuff
- NO celebrity nudes, fake nudes, or uploaded nudes

If you're posting topless pics they need to be hot linked and hosted elsewhere. If you upload something that draws undue legal scrutiny to this site your post will be subject to removal and you can be banned from membership.

The Motivational Pic Thread is dead; Long Live the Motivational Pic Thread v2.0!!!

I have not calibrated or checked any of these items.

Brown & Sharpe 7031-5 BesTesT .0005” Dial Test Indicator. Comes with plastic box. $100 shipped

Brown & Sharpe 7032-5 BesTesT .0001” Dial Test Indicator. Comes with plastic box. $125 shipped

Starrett S579HZ Telescoping Gage Set of 6 gauges. Used, in original plastic cover. $115 shipped.

Starrett 445 Depth Micrometer with three rods. Previous owner’s initials are scratched in front side, and previous owner’s name is laser engraved on back side. $140 shipped.

Starrett 436- 0-1” Outside Micrometer. Comes in original box. $85 shipped.

Starrett 436- 1-2” Outside Micrometer. Comes in original box with wrench. $85 shipped

Mitutoyo 505-677 12” .001” Dial Caliper. Comes with original plastic box. $80 shipped. SOLD

Mitutoyo 202-104 0-1”, .0001” Outside Micrometer. Comes with original box and wrench, previous owner’s name laser engraved on front, previous owner’s initials scratched in back. $35 shipped.

Mitutoyo 103-179 2-3” 0.001” Outside Micrometer. Comes with original plastic box, length gauge, and wrench. $50 shipped.

SPI 10-806-8 1-2” 0.0001” Outside Micrometer. Comes with a plastic box and wrench, previous owner’s name laser engraved on front, previous owner’s initials scratched in back. $25 shipped or free with any other tool in this listing.

Discounts for combined shipping. $700 625 shipped for whole lot. Paypal Friends and Family, Zelle, or US Postal Money Order.

Semi or bolts let’s see some Green!

New Items in Bag
10-8 Stainless Magazine Catch
10-8 Stainless Magazine Catch
10-8 Stainless Slide Stop Gen. 2
10-8 Stainless Slide Stop Gen. 2
Wilson Combat – 2 Piece Guide Rod 148,5
Wilson Combat – Stainless Series 70, 45, Bulletproof Extractor, 415, 70S
Wilson Combat Stainless Oversize Magazine Catch, 405S
Wilson Combat Blue Complete 1911 Pin Set, 315B
Wilson Combat Oversize Hammer and Sear Pins, 385B
EGW Stainless Spring Plug Thick, 13101
EGW Blue Magazine Catch w/Lock Hex Head
EGW Stainless Barrel Bushing
Smith @ Alexander Arched Stainless Mainspring Housing
Chip McCormick Stainless Firing Pin, 9mm, 80214
Ed Brown Hex Head Magazine Catch Lock, 914-HMCL

Used Items
Mainspring + cap
Flat blued mainspring housing
Double Diamond grips. Appear to be Cocobolo. Minor marks.
Checkered grips. Appear to be Walnut. Have a name and what could be a date written vary faintly on inside surface. Faintly shows in pics. Feel like old Colt grips did, but obviously no medallions, so? Minor wear.
Detonics Competition Recoil System.
Wilson Combat hex grip screws.
Misc. Springs
Various Buffers.
3 Recoil Spring Guides. 1 normal, one spring loaded, one is a one piece.
Slide Stop.
Two Bushings.
2 Sear Springs.
Safety.
Two Bushing Wrenches.
Extractor– appears heavily worn/filed.
Rear Sight Blade.
Two Recoil Spring Caps.
Two Triggers.
Trijicon Tritium Rear Sight. Still has some luminescence.
Smith and Wesson Adjustable Rear Sight.

$375 Shipped. Paypal Friends or +4% for goods and services. Can do USPS Money Order as well.

Ruger 77/17 17HMR. Zytel (boat paddle) stock, includes blued Ruger 1" scope rings and 2 Ruger magazines. Green Mountain barrel with 1/2" threaded muzzle, threaded thread protector, and a reverse taper near muzzle. When I got this rifle it had some surface rust between the stock and the right side of the action. I cleaned it off and oiled, but there is some very minor pitting. Does not affect function in any way - see pic out of stock for condition. Stock shows signs of use. Trigger is right around 1.5 pounds and very smooth. Rifle shot 0.5-0.7" at 50 yards with no effort put into ammo selection. $1250 shipped to FFL in CONUS.

6.5 PRC Premium Series Deluxe 3 Die Set, #68487, $125 shipped

Redding 6XC Competition Bullet Seating Die, #55745, $150 shipped

Redding 6.5x47 Lapua Competition Bullet Seating Die, #55479, $150 shipped

Redding 6x47 Lapua Competition Bullet Seating Die, #55489, $150 shipped

L.E. Wilson 6x47 Stainless Steel Micrometer Seater Die, #S6M-47LVLD, $115 shipped

Hornady 6.5 PRC Custom Grade Dies, FL. $30 shipped.

Paypal Friends and Family, Zelle, or US Postal Service Money Order.

Sierra .308 175 gr HPBT Matchkings, sealed box of 500, $200 shipped

Hornady .338 285 gr ELD Match. 3 boxes of 50 each, $120 shipped for the lot

.338 300 gr match bullets (seconds), appear to be SMK design, 2 boxes of 100, $80 for both boxes.

Lapua 6.5 PRC brass. 4 boxes of one lot, 2 1 box of another lot. All brass is brand new/unfired. Opened box was confirmed at 100 brass. $150 each shipped for open box, $155 shipped for sealed boxes. Price for total lot: $725 shipped

Norma Diamond Line 6.5 130 grain moly coated match bullets. 2 unopened boxes of 500 each. $225 200 shipped per the box, $400 350 shipped for the pair.

Hornady 6.5 147 gr, 5 boxes of 100. Mixed lot numbers. $150 shipped. SOLD

Paypal Friends and Family, Zelle, or US Postal Money Order.

Desert Tech SRSA1 Covert

Right Hand

FDE (not all the same shades)

20” 6.5 PRC barrel, 5/8x24 threaded, less than 300 rounds fired, one mag included

PVA Jetwave Muzzle Brake

Trigger is very nice – between 1.75 and 2 pounds

I have a 338 LM face bolt head – not sure if it came with/for this rifle or not, but including it

Seekonk torque wrench

Shot 143 Hornady and 156 Berger Unknown Munitions very well

Pelican Vault V730 case

There is a run in the paint/coating on the barrel near the muzzle brake – see pics.

$3600 shipped to your FFL in CONUS

Was at the rifle range today getting acquainted with my new KRG W3 chassis. While going to check/pull targets I see a guy that I seem to always see, who always has a green AI AT with him. This time I decided to stop and talk with him about his AI, he had nothing but good things to say; absolutely loves it. Buys new / different barrels for it and has been thinning the rifle herd because the barrel change system on it is so easy and reliable. Currently it's wearing a stainless barrel in 6 Creed.

Then he says, go check it out if you want, pick it up, see about it. Which of course I do, and I sit down at his bench to get behind it more or less fondle it. Next as I'm running the bolt he says, he'll why don't you shoot it? I got 5 ready to go right here.

This thing, man, I get it now. The bolt throw, the way it locks up, the way the bolt glides, the trigger. It was incredible, a massive step up from anything I've ever handled, save perhaps a TRG22. Far and away the nicest rifle I've ever actually shot.

I put 4 into a 1" circle at 200 yards, with someone else's rifle, someone else's scope, shooting with my wrong hand, with no rear bag. The gun just...lasered em out there.

So, I get it now. I've experienced how "the other half live" and experienced first hand part of the premium AI commands.

New shooter. Looking for bipod ideas. Currently have a triple pull that I use for NRL and a Tricer that I use for hunting. Have quickly concluded that these are less than ideal for PRS, so I am looking for bipod recommendations.
Thanks

Bat hammerhead action, maybe a hundred rounds shot through it. Currently has a standard bolt face bolt, but I also have a PPC bolt.

The Action currently has a CRB Hunter contour 7.5 twist 25 creedmoor barrel twenty inch length on it. The barrel only has ten rounds shot through it. Action has a bix n Andy Dakota trigger. Foundation Gideon stock. Hawkins Hunter DBM

Everything together for 3000$ shipped to ffl.

Willing to sale individual parts PM me for details.

Would trade action for impact 737R or NBK with PPC bolt. Possibly Willing to trade for NF 2-10x42 NXS.

In perfect condition XLR Element 4.0 with C6 buttstock, thumb rest, bag rider, C6 stock weights, tactical mag latch, and folding adapter. I will also include the hunter mag latch when I find it.

SA REM 700

$975 shipped
PP F&F
Zelle

Are Left Handed actions just really rare or do I need to go on backorder. I know lots of companies make them, what I don't see is them in stock most places. I'm "transitioning" from right to left and this is all new--I'm used to just ordering whatever.

Anyone PMing me with a action for sale will be reported as a scammer. This is NOT a WTB add.

Hey ACC Elite owners. When I got my ACC I was frustrated that they didn’t offer a one piece top cover. To achieve fully enclosed forend, it requires purchasing 4x Bridges at $140 a pop, then modifying one of them for what results in a segmented half assed outcome anyway.

As such, I’ve been working on a one piece top cover for the ACC Elite with a very talented modeler who makes lots of other bits and pieces for the shooting community.

This is what we have come up with. One piece, square front, tapered rear, and a rebate in the top for grip tape. It’s since been priced up by a quality machine shop, but the price gets noticeably better once we get to 20 pieces.

As such, I just thought I’d put this out there as an EOI to see whether it’s worth doing. I started this project because I wanted one, but obviously wouldn’t be stuck with 19 spares ideally

If we can get to 20, pricing should come in $150usd+ cheaper than the 4x small cover alternative - including dowels and screws. Hopefully sub 300usd (take advantage of that dogshit Aussie dollar). Shipping from me over in aus shouldn’t be too awful if it goes ahead.

Let me know your thoughts guys.

Danny