Suppressors Form 4 wait time

[_Windrider_]

It’s illegal to possess an SBR fully assembled.

If you take those short barrels and put them on a firearm without having gotten the approval from the ATF…

Many states actually have additional laws that may make simply owning the barrels intent to build an SBR illegally.

So you also have to watch out for that crap…

Ok. Yes I know that. I was trying to clarify what you were saying. Having fully assembled uppers with short barrels is perfectly legal. Just don’t put them on a lower that’s not a registered SBR. Simply owning barrels or uppers with short barrels is perfectly legal.

 

[GBMaryland]

Help as long as you don’t live in one of those evil states who see just having the upper as intent.

for example, I’m sure if you live in Texas no one gives a shit. ( not legal advice )

 

[GBMaryland]

Or Like Marylands bullshit law, where you KINDA get an SBR, so long as it’s 29.5”

yeah I don’t remember what that law is… I know that all supposed assault long guns have to have a 29 1/2 inch overall length.

However A.R. pistols are totally legal.

 

[The Durk]

I’m glad I live near Ken. Maybe some of that good luck will rub off on me…probably someone from the ATF is a US Optics fan.

 

[PropWash]

Submitting a paper form 4 at least in my part of the US is mailed to Portland and the check is cashed in a few weeks to a month. Why? Because there are piles and piles of submissions that must be opened to get the check out and cashed. Then it sets there for an extended period of time, until it is finally mailed to NFA in WV. Remember once they open the envelope for the check it must be put in another envelope and stamped again - extending the length of time the submission is setting in limbo. The information from your paper form must be entered by persons manually and due to the sheer volume it takes several more months before it is in the database for an examiner to eventually review.

Look at how much more efficient eform submission is and I will use Silencer Shop for the example. Once your local dealer has your can, you are sent a docusign packet via email. You sign it and that is emailed back instantly to SS. Your local dealer opens his Silencer Shop dealer portal (see attached image, “starting session”) they click on your can for submission and their software builds your submission for an ATF submission. Silencer Shop‘s software interfaces with the ATF API electronically auto fills all the fields from your docusign submission into ATF electronic form. If you file a trust and are certifying remotely you actually see this happening (see attached image, “locating draft”). Once your data has finished auto filling from SS into the ATF eform, then the customer clicks on the ”do you certify this is all correct, etc.” box and the dealer does the same. Customer enters user ID and PIN and dealer does the same. The ATF is instantly paid by SS and the submission is finished. Within minutes the customer receives their ATF permit/control number and the submission, payment and data entry of the form is finished.

As for examiners being divided to now work on eforms making the wait longer for paper submissions that were submitted before the eform rollout, I believe this is incorrect. Here’s why…

I’ll use a firearm buy for an example; buy from a small shop you fill out a paper 4473, it is submitted via phone which can be long because an actual person is involved. Now go into a big gun store chain, buy a firearm and they have you fill out your 4473 on a computer screen. Once the store hits the submit button the “PROCEED” can come back in seconds. Why? No person is involved (think NFA examiner).

So ATF/NFA has developed a way in eform rollout that automates the review process of a submission, just like they have for electronic submissions of 4473 and IRS tax returns via TurboTax. Eform submissions are not being given priority over paper forms, it is just a different process that involves MUCH more automation. And just like you cannot jump boat on a paper submission of your taxes to electronic, it‘s the same with paper form 4 it is the process you agreed to.

 

[PropWash]

Here are the images.

 

[HenryTheAce]

Got a nice phone call today, saying 6 of my 8 stamps were in! Earliest cash date was 6/28/21 and latest was 9/15/21 (current ones in jail are mid November and mid feb)

The good boy will be 12 this June!

 

[SB545]

View attachment 7835407Got a nice phone call today, saying 6 of my 8 stamps were in! Earliest cash date was 6/28/21 and latest was 9/15/21 (current ones in jail are mid November and mid feb)

The good boy will be 12 this June!

I thought I was going too far with my second e-file this year. That's quite the stack cans there.

 

[HenryTheAce]

It got a little out of hand last year buying cans

 

[Breathingguy]

Applied for my first can on 12/30/21 was approved 3/25/22. Eform4. Super pumped. Ready to order another.

 

[D1gger]

My check was cashed 6/28/21-still pending. 1 person trust

 

[SlimJim_]

I officially hit the 1 year mark today since the check was cashed.........ridiculous

 

[thesemperfidude]

I officially hit the 1 year mark today since the check was cashed.........ridiculous

I’m almost there with you. 4-9-21

 

[TX_Diver]

Applied for my first can on 12/30/21 was approved 3/25/22. Eform4. Super pumped. Ready to order another.

Was 12/30 the certified date?

 

[Rocketboy]

After a 33 minute wait on the phone, I found out my 2 Sandman-S cans are both still pending (4/9 & 5/10 cash dates)... She looked and said that they still haven't even been assigned to an examiner. WTF! She said she wouldn't start worrying until 12-13 months. This is STUPID! How are some people already getting their stamps back in large batches, including some paper Form 4's from as recent as a few months ago, and mine have been sitting for almost a year and STILL not assigned to anyone!

It’s very stupid. But that is why they say, buy them and just forget about them!

 

[JMD82]

Fricken finally....First can.

SiCo Omega300
Form 4 Paper Trust
Pending 4/7/2021
Approved 3/24/2022
Wait 352 Days

Now just waiting on snail mail to arrive at my dealer.

 

[Desert_Racer]

E-File form 4 - Trust
Submitted 1/11/22
Approved 3/29/22

Just received the status change email from the ATF. My dealer said he had one other efile form 4 approved yesterday.

 

[TX_Diver]

E-File form 4 - Trust
Submitted 1/11/21
Approved 3/29/22

Just received the status change email from the ATF.

Is that 1/11/22?

 

[Desert_Racer]

Is that 1/11/22?

Yes, my bad. Just under 3 months.

 

[FuhQ]

Alright, just called to check on my paper forms, and got some good news! My 4th can just got approved! She said the 5th one should be following along shortly in the same time pattern...So, hopefully sometime in April.

Dead Air Sandman-S
SS Single-Shot Trust

Purchased - 3/17/2021
Cashed - 4/9/2021
Approved - 3/24/2022
Stamp @ Dealer -
In-hand -

 

[edm714]

Sico-Hybrid-Cashed may 1st 2021
Sico-Hybrid-Cashed Nov 29th 2021
Sico-Hybrid-Cashed Nov 29th 2021
Sico- Sparrow-Cashed Nov 29th 2021
Batch approval-March 16th 2022
Picked up today!
Three more on Eform certified 1-25-22. Still pending.

 

[kthomas]

Thursday will be 1 year on my 1st...I will never do a paper form again ...

A year wait sucks.

At least for your next ones you can e-file...

 

[CABG]

Dead Air Nomad L paper trust cashed 4/20/2021
Dead Air Ghost paper trust cashed 5/19/2021
Dead Air Wolfman paper trust cashed 8/10/2021
Silencer Co Omega submitted efile 2/09/2022
Silencer Co Hybrid submitted efile 2/09/2022
Silencer Co Saker submitted efile 2/09/2022

Still waiting on all.

 

[tanders11]

Well, mine from 4/6/21 are finally assigned to an examiner. Hopefully that doesn’t take too long and they toss a couple from later in the year in with them.

 

[Swede6]

I did the e file on 1-12-22 and got approved on 3-29-22. Mail in finger prints/individual. I got the email from atf but still not updated on their website for the e-forms. my first was around a year wait also.

 

[CIB2007]

Finally called and got update on my forms.

4 paper forms were submitted 9/1/21 all were cashed on 9/5/21. All are pending.

E-file submitted 1/21/22 and it’s pending as of today. So the waiting game continues.

All were done through Silencer Shop.

 

[bllistc]

Filed 1/19. Approved today 3/30. Exactly 70 days with e-form filing.

 

[Baron23]

Filed 1/19. Approved today 3/30. Exactly 70 days with e-form filing.

Hello my friend....I'm happy for you...really.... but it just continues to piss me off that those of us who submitted paper forms, because e-file was not a thing, are still sucking wind a year later in most cases.

And I am not convinced about the rational offered from, what sounds to me like, apologists for the ATF. I don't think they have any excuse for their abysmal performance and their crap could only be gotten away with in the Government where they don't have to care (and don't)

There is zero justification (IMO) for the ATF to push later filings thru to acceptence (no matter the media of the submittal) before clearing older filings (no matter the media of the submittal).

Its my view and sticking with it. LOL

But I hope to see it on your rifle in Sep when we are up your way again for round 2 of the the clinic. You will be there this time, right? No running off with wifey again? hahahaha ;-)

Cheers

 

[acudaowner]

the last person who asked about form 4 wait times he was only 21 when he started waiting such a sad story dead at 91 and was never approved .

 

[bllistc]

Hello my friend....I'm happy for you...really.... but it just continues to piss me off that those of us who submitted paper forms, because e-file was not a thing, are still sucking wind a year later in most cases.

And I am not convinced about the rational offered from, what sounds to me like, apologists for the ATF. I don't think they have any excuse for their abysmal performance and their crap could only be gotten away with in the Government where they don't have to care (and don't)

There is zero justification (IMO) for the ATF to push later filings thru to acceptence (no matter the media of the submittal) before clearing older filings (no matter the media of the submittal).

Its my view and sticking with it. LOL

But I hope to see it on your rifle in Sep when we are up your way again for round 2 of the the clinic. You will be there this time, right? No running off with wifey again? hahahaha ;-)

Cheers

I hear you man. A couple of my buddies are several months in with no recourse to speed it up. They should've converted everything to electronic submission or gotten more people on to work on paper forms but that would be too obvious for the ATF.

And yes sir I will definitely be there this time. I laid out my schedule for September with her last month lol. As long as I'm there for our first anniversary, I'm a free man after. Looking forward to finally meeting in person.

 

[Baron23]

And yes sir I will definitely be there this time.

Looking forward to finally meeting in person.

I too am truly looking forward to it. Be grand to put a face to the name. And yes, you best show up for your first wedding anniversary! haha

Cheers

 

[Colorado S14]

Rugged Obsidian 45
NFA Trust

Purchased - 2/5/2021
Cashed - 4/30/2021

Called today, still pending and unassigned....ouch.

 

[SlimJim_]

I’m almost there with you. 4-9-21

You might want to check your status, I just called and was informed that I was approved on Feb.15th. Since yours was close to mine...

My dealer hasn't received the stamp yet though, but should be soon.

Edit: Approved Feb. 25th, picked up today.

 

[thesemperfidude]

You might want to check your status, I just called and was informed that I was approved on Feb.15th. Since yours was close to mine...

My dealer hasn't received the stamp yet though, but should be soon.

Edit: Approved Feb. 25th, picked up today.

Just called yesterday and still pending

 

[WyCoShooter]

TBAC 338 ULTRA SR
Check cashed 3/12/21
Called about 3 weeks ago at essentially a year to the date since check cashed and still pending. Called again today, on hold for 38 minutes, and still pending. Coming up on a year and a month.....This is bullshit

 

[Baddowg]

TBAC 338 ULTRA SR
Check cashed 3/12/21
Called about 3 weeks ago at essentially a year to the date since check cashed and still pending. Called again today, on hold for 38 minutes, and still pending. Coming up on a year and a month.....This is bullshit

That is BS. My check cashed 5 days after yours and got approved in Feb 2022.

 

[phlegethon]

Two eForm 4s, individual.
Filed 1/2/22
Approved 4/4/22

 

[WyCoShooter]

That is BS. My check cashed 5 days after yours and got approved in Feb 2022.

Blows my mind how different the wait times are. This is the longest one I have ever had, most have averaged 5-7 months.

 

[FuhQ]

Update…

Dead Air Sandman-S
SS Single-Shot Trust

Purchased - 3/17/2021
Cashed - 4/9/2021
Approved - 3/24/2022
Stamp @ Dealer - 4/5/2022
In-hand - 4/5/2022

It's already well-used (as you can see) and I just got to bring it home today... My local SOT is also a machine gun range with private memberships, so we get conjugal visits with them while waiting, and I go up there almost every weekend, so, it's been getting used regularly for a year now.

 

[DeRico]

Two eForm 4s, individual.
Filed 1/2/22
Approved 4/4/22

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Do you guys know if Silencer Shop will send you your own digital prints they have on file?

 

[BamaSE]

Do you guys know if Silencer Shop will send you your own digital prints they have on file?

Yeps, for $15 a set. Have done it twice for other applications.

 

[BamaSE]

There is a tab on their website to place the order too.

 

[LeftyJason]

Do you guys know if Silencer Shop will send you your own digital prints they have on file?

Yeps, for $15 a set. Have done it twice for other applications.

Used those for my Utah ccw permit application.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Yeps, for $15 a set. Have done it twice for other applications.

How do you do it? Why would you need another copy if it's digital?

 

[BamaSE]

How do you do it? Why would you need another copy if it's digital?

I think I misunderstood you, sorry. They will send you paper copies of your prints on file in the correct format for other NFA items, stamps, etc. I don’t know about getting a digital copy out of them. That will probably take a call to find out.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

I think I misunderstood you, sorry. They will send you paper copies of your prints on file in the correct format for other NFA items, stamps, etc. I don’t know about getting a digital copy out of them. That will probably take a call to find out.

Ok. I called and was on hold for over an hour and I finally had to go. I will try again. How do you request a paper copy?

 

[Lawnboi]

Do you guys know if Silencer Shop will send you your own digital prints they have on file?

You can order them right on their site

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

You can order them right on their site

Ok, I didn't see that on the mobile site but I will look on my computer and see. Thanks

 

[Lawnboi]

Ok, I didn't see that on the mobile site but I will look on my computer and see. Thanks

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