Holy.Fuckin.Shit
Rifle Scopes New Schmidt & Bender PM2 6-36x56
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Yeah, the price list definitely gave me pause with regard to the legacy/existing scope lines.
Everything is out of control. $5 plus for gas, German and Canadian scopes way up. I see NF hasn’t raised their prices but I expect that to change as the raw material prices have risen.
It’s not the rising raw material prices that’s the reason. It’s the machining and laboring that stands for most of a scopes price.
Essentially, it’s greed.
We haven’t seen price hike on scopes here in Denmark.
Talked with two very nice German S&B reps yesterday at a game fair.
As I was standing there, trying to figure out the best way to run away with their 10 different PM scopes, I asked about pricing.
They said that there very minor adjustments, and that I should ask the danish importer.
Got this very specific feeling that they weren’t too happy about importers using the crisis as an excuse to bump their prices.
But the 6x36 and the new 5x25, gawd, do need new glass.
Oh, and the STR spotter from Swarovski - pure sex. Had to take a good long look at the ATX/BTX/STX combo - thanks to Horta’s moon picture - damn.
Anyways, I think the importers are to blame for the pricing going north.
If it were because of raising production cost and materials, how come the “midtier” scopes are still more or less the same…
Essentially, it’s greed.
We haven’t seen price hike on scopes here in Denmark.
Talked with two very nice German S&B reps yesterday at a game fair.
As I was standing there, trying to figure out the best way to run away with their 10 different PM scopes, I asked about pricing.
They said that there very minor adjustments, and that I should ask the danish importer.
Got this very specific feeling that they weren’t too happy about importers using the crisis as an excuse to bump their prices.
But the 6x36 and the new 5x25, gawd, do need new glass.
Oh, and the STR spotter from Swarovski - pure sex. Had to take a good long look at the ATX/BTX/STX combo - thanks to Horta’s moon picture - damn.
Anyways, I think the importers are to blame for the pricing going north.
If it were because of raising production cost and materials, how come the “midtier” scopes are still more or less the same…
I do not think you’re the only one who’d like that, there is a reason the MSR2 has such a following.
Hopefully it’ll all be made a little more clear soon
Is part of the 5-20US increase a result of/in anticipation of the German military rearming? Don’t they use the 5-20?
Pretty sure a lot of different militaries use them for marksman rifles.
As I recall, we (Denmark) use them on our HK417 DMR’s.
Pretty sure it's the removal of the illumination tumor and moving it into the parallax that we're being sold as justification.
Eurooptic rep didnt sound too pleased at S&B.
No idea who thought a 20% price increase across the board was a good idea. No idea why anyone in this price bracket would consider S&B at this point with ZCO/TT priced BETTER now
No idea who thought a 20% price increase across the board was a good idea. No idea why anyone in this price bracket would consider S&B at this point with ZCO/TT priced BETTER now
Did you confirm with euro that the price v sheet posted above is in fact what they will be updating their prices too?
They confirmed that the price list is accurate, however they are still in discussion with S&B to try to lower it before they finalize it for EO's listings.
Yea SB is high if they think sales will continue or pick up when you are priced North orf zco and ty
Its really sad how theyre this greedy. Two massive prices increases in two years. Their Short dots went up from 4k to 5200 to 5800 now. Unreal
I guess the ~5-6% recent increases from ZCO and TT doesn't looks so bad now...
A lot of the industry settled around 20%, though some seem to have gone even further than that (looking at you Karl Lewis and co.) during the worst supply shortages amidst Covid.
No brainer at this point. S&B is going to regret this for sure.
yeah, LMT is hilarious, increase the price exponentially and decrease the quality to Anderson level.
And their dealer agreements prohibit European dealers from shipping to U.S. as well, which is common.
Bruh. Right??
I think the most shocking prices on that PDF are the 3-27 and 5-45 Tremor3.
8300 and 8800? After taxes you are basically paying greater than hensoldt prices. Surreal.
8300 and 8800? After taxes you are basically paying greater than hensoldt prices. Surreal.
The >$6K 5-20US hit me hard since I was shopping for that last summer and was looking in the sub $4K range. Guess I’ll deal with the weight of a ZC420!
Oh yeah, that one was insane too. LOL.
Ive looked through a ZCO420 and I can see why its raved upon. Not too long and excellent IQ and the diopter setting wasn't even adjusted to my eyes.
I paid $4095 to Doug for a Short Dot Dual CC Pantone in 2019.
Shortly after that S&B went to EU as their only distributor and Doug stopped selling S&B.
Have to figure out which Turrets and Reticle I want in the 6-36 and find the price.
Not looking forward to the price.
Shortly after that S&B went to EU as their only distributor and Doug stopped selling S&B.
Have to figure out which Turrets and Reticle I want in the 6-36 and find the price.
Not looking forward to the price.
That explains the ridiculous price increase from 4K to 5K. I really dont like S&B as a company. Shame, they make good shit.
Hensoldt got in on the ground floor with retarded pricing, the other companies so to be slowly but surely catching up lol.
Guess the American importer don’t want to compete with European dealers, since that would not benefit their huge markup.
Glanced at the prices you guys pay, fuck.
Somebody is obviously betting on a higher markup with fewer units sold.
In essence, it’s all fair, since you guys get Photonis tubes for a bargain, while we in EU pay almost double, since Photonis is more or less the only supplier of quality intensifier tubes.
Since the US doesn’t really own the night anymore, it would only be fair if ITAR for NV/Thermal was lifted… oh well, one can dream…
yeah but with ZCO and TT i wouldn't give schmidt the time of day anymore. And i used to defend them against the new age crowd lol
I think some German companies have a higher-than-average tendency to fantasize that they are the premium option.
My experience with a used BMW 5-series and with Japanese digital cameras would beg to differ.
It is hard to finally realize one is not on top anymore.
My experience with a used BMW 5-series and with Japanese digital cameras would beg to differ.
It is hard to finally realize one is not on top anymore.
It’s a shame I don’t like any of the reticles.
www.optics-world.nl
Schmidt & Bender PM II 6-36x56
Optics-World B.V. | Optics-World.nl is the Destination for all your needs and one of the largest internet retailers in Europe for Optics, Thermal and Night Vision.
Euros dont pay as much. The config with the MTII turrets is at 5500 USD. Before taxesIt’s a shame I don’t like any of the reticles.
Schmidt & Bender PM II 6-36x56
Optics-World B.V. | Optics-World.nl is the Destination for all your needs and one of the largest internet retailers in Europe for Optics, Thermal and Night Vision.
That’s my point. Just get it from there. I get all my scopes from there.Euros dont pay as much. The config with the MTII turrets is at 5500 USD. Before taxes
how long is the wait? read somewhere that they dont show live inventory
No they don’t. Took 12 weeks for my zcomp and about the same for my Kahles.
They don’t. From what they’ve said, it’s pretty much a small shop that drop ships (no storefront or in person pick-ups). …which sucks because I’m two hours away and would prefer to pick up in person if I’m spending essentially $4K somewhere down the road from me. That company is expecting the SB’s to start shipping in the summer, but we all know that’s up to S&B actually keeping to the timeline.
You can also scroll down the site and select USD as the currency option. Without VAT, the black DTII+ is at $3,820 if I remember correctly. Makes it super easy.
Optics-Trade wouldn’t ship me one, doubt these guys will.
How does the ITAR rules work for importing stuff like this into the US?
I know that trying to export a S&B scope out of the US would result in trouble, but what about the other way?
If no issues, then why not plan a small vacation to the other side of the pond, and arrange to pick up one in person? Would still leave you with a bit change to spare…
I know that trying to export a S&B scope out of the US would result in trouble, but what about the other way?
If no issues, then why not plan a small vacation to the other side of the pond, and arrange to pick up one in person? Would still leave you with a bit change to spare…
Looks like buying from Europe is the way to go. If I buy from Europe, is Europtic still our point of contact if we need it serviced?
Watch out with importing scopes through those sites, not only do you run the risk of a counterfeit but they might not be warrantied in the country that it lands. I remembet that happening with Premier for example and was a reason that TT would check the serial number before they would agree to servicing a scope.
Probably not.
Us non US people have these issues when parallel importing scopes from the US.
The local distributor often doesn't want look after the warranty on a product they didn't import, has been some shit fights over the years with Vortex and the (somewhat local) importer not dealing with warranty claims.
In many ways I don't blame the importer not being happy about it but if I can buy a product at full retail overseas, pay all the taxes, and non-bulk airfreight shipping and still come out 25% ahead I don't see that I am the bad guy in the situation.
Dont worry, I said I’d buy a ZCO…
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