The caving has begun, our new gun control bill

[Jgault]

From the article it looks like enough republicans have agreed to:

Raising age to purchase a firearm to 21
and red flag laws are pretty much in, guessing they will get “ghost gun” language, and their atf nominee as well(the last two aren’t in the article but once the caving starts Democrats will probably get it)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-rep-kinzinger-brainer-raise-minimum-age-buy-firearm

It’s a foolish man who builds his house on the sand, if that’s true republicans are just a giant beach.

 

[deersniper]

It’s a foolish man who builds his house on the sand, if that’s true republicans are just a giant beach

Republicans are big gov statist oligarchy too.

They aren’t there for us. They are for themselves. Organized crime.

 

[Smitty192]

You'll never know what's in the bill until your dog gets shot.

The concept of red flag laws aren't to take guns away from dangerous people. They are to take guns away from people that keep the government at bay.

Thank you uni-party.

 

[Ibex24]

I'm not surprised. Both sides sell the same BS. It's been proven time and time again but average citizens are perfectly content with choosing a side because "this is the best we've got!" Why think for yourself when someone else can do it for you?

 

[Maggot]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

 

[deersniper]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

Don’t let them intentionally happen. Don’t counsel shooters into shooting people

This is caused by fed inaction and possibly action.

 

[BLEE]

"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson

 

[forthehunt]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

Not making changes is a change as well.

If the cause of these shootings are agents pushing an agenda, then caving to their agendas will ultimately result in repeat atrocities.

Perhaps enforcing existing law, gun related and otherwise, may be a good start. Making new laws just make more things illegal, not fewer.

 

[deersniper]

"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson

Ya know that would explain. A LOT of .gov actions.

They want you to fear them

 

[Doc68]

Will not comply......period. I'm done with this shit as I have said in many other posts ..... At this point come and take em. I've lived a good life and I won't be on this planet forever.

Doc

 

[dustingaunder]

21 to use the internet.

 

[37L1]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

Shit, when I was in High School, it sure felt like prison. . .

 

[RTH1800]

School shootings are horrible, undeniable evil.
I have seen something much worse. Entire nations of people living under the bootheal of thuggish communist. Unarmed of course.

Cuba, North Korea, East Germany, China, warlords in Somalia.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I thought the courts already ruled the 18 to 21 was unconstitutional?

What they need to do is treat school shootings like they did teen suicides in the 80s and stop reporting them. It's clear this is a driver as well.

Never vote for a never trumper or a rhino, no difference between them and dems imho.

nra, goa, etc etc all need to highlight that gun control started due to racism against blacks and that guns save far more lives and prevent far more crime than even seasoned gun owners realize. Our marketing on this issue sucks

that said, non compliance and taking to the streets may be in order. enough is enough. we don't blame Toyota when a car rams through a crowd to kill people

 

[pk5333]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

Schools should have defensive certifications granted by a third party, similar to ISO 9001, where an auditor comes around and says "okay, show me your plan of dealing with a potential active shooter." What are your concentric levels of security? Who is your armed responders? What work have you done with the local police department to determine their response? etc etc

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

We can easily harden our schools. We keep our judges, politicians, pos potus, airports, ect..... very very safe against massive sized threats. This idea that we have to have some laws to keep kids safe at school is a fallacy.

After we do that, have a serious conversation about mental health in this country and how we Handel it, and why we are producing these demon kids, as if "we" don't know.

 

[tomcatmv]

School shootings are horrible, undeniable evil.
I have seen something much worse. Entire nations of people living under the bootheal of thuggish communist. Unarmed of course.

Cuba, North Korea, East Germany, China, warlords in Somalia.

And don't forget about the shit that happens every day in Mexico. I saw some Dem congress critter on the news (can't remember his name but think he was from Connecticut) saying that the USA is the "only country in the world" where shit like this happens and I immediately thought about all the missing kids, mass graves, teens being hung from bridges, etc. that are constantly happening in Mexico. Cartels brutally killing hundreds maybe thousands a year and it hardly ever makes the news even here in Texas.

 

[BLEE]

Godlessness is the root of evil in the USA and the world. Looking to other solutions is pissing in the wind. Humans can do NOTHING to stop the tide of evil, growing in our masses and government, if we don't go to Christ, first. Period. We all know what we see. Now is but a glimpse of what's coming, regardless of your faith, or religion. Society is imploding and tyranny is about to explode.

 

[zeroz]

Why is it always 0-100? "We dont want our schools to be prisons". There is a long way from wide open doors and kumbaya to a fucking prison. Fully locked doors while class is in session is hardly Alcatraz. One decent cop at the only buzz in accessible door isn't Rikers Island. Put him in a fucking clown suit if you need to. A couple volunteered to be trained teachers, coaches, athletic director, etc. wouldn't hurt either. Nobody is talking razor wire and overwatch towers. Let's talk common sense school security, which is actually a thing, unlike new bullshit laws.

 

[BufordTJustice]

well color me surprised...RINO's fuckin us over? who would have thunked it? Get rid of the politicians, that would be a step in the right direction.

 

[BCP]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

We live in a society that has marginalized men, especially young men. That's the biggest problem.

 

[FatBoy]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

Quick and dirty:

Short term:

Bring back family 72 hour mental eval holds. We’re paying for it anyway.

Start holding family members, school counselors, faith leaders, etc accountable. Maybe not legally, but accountable. They are they first line of defense and failing miserably. Should the Columbine fathers and mothers be ran out , and wear a scarlet letter for all to see until they die? Yes. I give zero fucks if they have to shovel shit and live in a box until they die. They knew their kids were fucked up, or should have.


Longer term:

Get fathers back in the household. Or at least a strong male influence. This one is not so easy, but almost certainly the root cause of most if the bullshit we deal with today. My wife worked daycare when I was active duty in the mid-90s and you could see what was coming then. Little boys with no fathers are either completely uncontrollable assholes or fucking cry babies. The later is your school shooters…

Bring back shame. Yes, some shit people do is fucked up. Popping out four kids by four different worthless fuckers with no means to raise then is shameful.


Another tough one, pull back the media. The 24 hour news cycle is a direct contributor.


The real problem is, we’re beyond almost any of this working. Until we start policing our own, we’re doomed to continue down this road. Once parents started circling the wagons and protecting their kids from everything in the world that could hurt them, we started creating what we see which is sheep. Many of them mentally unstable with no will to get real help.

My $.001

 

[wade2big]

Godlessness is the root of evil in the USA and the world. Looking to other solutions is pissing in the wind. Humans can do NOTHING to stop the tide of evil, growing in our masses and government, if we don't go to Christ, first. Period. We all know what we see, now is but a glimpse of what's coming, regardless of your faith, or religion. Society is imploding and tyranny is about to explode.

There will always be the battle of good vs evil. Unfortunately good people are threatened and handcuffed by gov and its laws and evil thrives as a result. This is intentional. There are solutions, but the state deems it illegal.

 

[wade2big]

Quick and dirty:

Short term:

Bring back family 72 hour mental eval holds. We’re paying for it anyway.

Start holding family members, school counselors, faith leaders, etc accountable. Maybe not legally, but accountable. They are they first line of defense and failing miserably. Should the Columbine fathers and mothers be ran out , and wear a scarlet letter for all to see until they die? Yes. I give zero fucks if they have to shovel shit and live in a box until they die. They knew their kids were fucked up, or should have.


Longer term:

Get fathers back in the household. Or at least a strong male influence. This one is not so easy, but almost certainly the root cause of most if the bullshit we deal with today. My wife worked daycare when I was active duty in the mid-90s and you could see what was coming then. Little boys with no fathers are either completely uncontrollable assholes or fucking cry babies. The later is your school shooters…

Bring back shame. Yes, some shit people do is fucked up. Popping out four kids by four different worthless fuckers with no means to raise then is shameful.


Another tough one, pull back the media. The 24 hour news cycle is a direct contributor.


The real problem is, we’re beyond almost any of this working. Until we start policing our own, we’re doomed to continue down this road. Once parents started circling the wagons and protecting their kids from everything in the world that could hurt them, we started creating what we see which is sheep. Many of them mentally unstable with no will to get real help.

My $.001

I agree with what you have to say. Ask yourself what/who is responsible for how things are and the ask why. The powers that be are working against you and you fund it.

 

[37L1]

I agree with what you have to say. Ask yourself what/who is responsible for how things are and the ask why. The powers that be are working against you and you fund it.

Not "you", it's "we".

 

[Sean the Nailer]

What 'mass shooters' do is already wrong. It is already against the law. It is already 'counter' to societal norms. It is already legislated against. It is already morally bankrupt.

So, there is obviously ONLY one thing left to do:

Make words in a book stating that such actions are "illegaller".

 

[FatBoy]

the welfare act under Johnson was the “modern “ start of this but you can trace a lot of this shut back to Wilson’s administration. There are those among use who feel we need to be controlled, not led.

The better armed we are. the better trained we are. The better organized we are. The more independent we are. (Think food, solar power, etc.) the more of threat we are to those that would have us all crowded into a city, in public transportation, eating corporate grown food that “they” deem acceptable and watching what they want us to see.

You can’t have people living free when you’re entire agenda is constructed on the premise that people are too stupid to think and act for themselves. Unfortunately, we have so may people willing to just accept what they’re feeding us, there won’t be the numbers to enact change before it’s too late. (Talking food riots, not civil war)

What’s this have to do with school shooters and gun laws? Everything. Both are tools of what I consider an evil ruling elite to control us.

 

[37L1]

This is just a stupid game they are playing much like getting "likes" on the internet.

Everyone knows that the only way to make this sort of thing much more difficult is total weapons confiscation. They will nibble at that goal piece by piece until they are close enough for one egregious mass shooting and then outlaw them all.

 

[wade2big]

the welfare act under Johnson was the “modern “ start of this but you can trace a lot of this shut back to Wilson’s administration. There are those among use who feel we need to be controlled, not led.

The better armed we, the better trained we are. The bettter organized we are. The more independent we are. (Think food, solar power, etc.) the more of threat we are to those that would have us all crowded into a city, in public transportation, eating corporate grown food that “they” deem acceptable.

You can’t have people living free when you’re entire agenda is constructed on the premise that people are too stupid to think and act for themselves. Unfortunately, we have so may people willing to just accept what they’re feeding us, there won’t be the numbers to enact change before it’s too late. (Talking food riots, not civil war)

What’s this bave to do with school shooters and gun laws? Everything. Both are tools of what I consider an evil ruling elite to control us.

This is absolutely correct. Why are so many willingly working for a government that wants to enslave its own people? Is it out of ignorance? Why are so many willing to enforce it’s laws for a paycheck? Is it a power trip?

An education campaign to wake people the fuck up is necessary. There is an obvious divide. It’s not dem/rep. Its not black/white. Its those on gov cheese either by welfare or paycheck/the rest of us. People need to understand this. We the people must remove all support from anything gov. Remove support from all institutions and all the people within them. There needs to be millions of gov employees out of a job. This is the fix.

 

[Mwalex]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

I don’t know if you are being real or sarcastic but here are my answers:

When some cunt is arrested for threatening to shoot up a school don’t expunge his record when he turns 18

Protect children as strongly as a politician

Hire cops with testicular fortitude and hold ALL of them responsible for inaction that leads to death

Get rid of gun free zones and allow trained school personnel to carry

Inhibit democrats from being able to purchase weapons

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Take the guns away and people will use other tools. To this day the largest killing at a US school was committed by explosives.

This is just a stupid game they are playing much like getting "likes" on the internet.

Everyone knows that the only way to make this sort of thing much more difficult is total weapons confiscation. They will nibble at that goal piece by piece until they are close enough for one egregious mass shooting and then outlaw them all.

This guy could’ve just as easily used his truck to plow through a sidewalk fullkids waiting for the bus.

It’s the intentions not the Tool.

 

[Maggot]

A lot of verbiage, but I see nothing constructive except from Fatboy and his arent suggestions that can be 'legislated'. You cant tell people "You must have family values." That comes from the individual. I dont believe you can really hold family or councilors accountable, except maybe parents for leaving a gun unsecured, because no matter how much you may reason with someone, ultimately they are in control and make their own decisions.

Are you really willing to pay for more mental health services or are you just bitching? Even that is a slippery slope cause how do you determine who is dangerous...then what do you do without violating the rights we hold so sacred...which will bring you, especially Wade2Big screaming about infringement.

come on you 100's

Posted after MWa's which had some thoughts...

 

[BCP]

The 24 hour news cycle is a direct contributor.

The 24hr corporate media hysteria machine is a huge contributor. Now with smart phones and everyone on social media it's impossible to get away from.

 

[BLEE]

A lot of verbiage, but I see nothing constructive except from Fatboy and his arent suggestions that can be 'legislated'. You cant tell people "You must have family values." That comes from the individual. I dont believe you can really hold family or councilors accountable, except maybe parents for leaving a gun unsecured, because no matter how much you may reason with someone, ultimately they are in control and make their own decisions.

Are you really willing to pay for more mental health services or are you just bitching? Even that is a slippery slope cause how do you determine who is dangerous...then what do you do without violating the rights we hold so sacred...which will bring you, especially Wade2Big screaming about infringement.

come on you 100's

Posted after MWa's which had some thoughts...

Without Christ, there is no solution. The only reason The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution worked is because we had a Christian based society. We've turned our back on God, so now we have liberty, without a moral compass and this is our downfall. Without the Christian conscience, liberty is used for evil. The rest of the world refused to accept this and now they have no liberty. The USA is hard-headed and wants to go the same route. Without Christ, there will be no Liberty. Where man looks to himself for solutions, there is bondage and tyranny. No amount of legislation, or mental health system overhaul, will fix what ails us. Any solution, without Christ will fail. Religion is not the solution. Religion has proven itself evil, throughout history. Faith in Christ is the only solution. He has never failed.

 

[Smitty192]

We can easily harden our schools. We keep our judges, politicians, pos potus, airports, ect..... very very safe against massive sized threats. This idea that we have to have some laws to keep kids safe at school is a fallacy.

After we do that, have a serious conversation about mental health in this country and how we Handel it, and why we are producing these demon kids, as if "we" don't know.

You assume they want schools to be protected.

 

[Docsherm]

Yet 18 is old enough to vote.........

 

[BufordTJustice]

A lot of verbiage, but I see nothing constructive except from Fatboy and his arent suggestions that can be 'legislated'. You cant tell people "You must have family values." That comes from the individual. I dont believe you can really hold family or councilors accountable, except maybe parents for leaving a gun unsecured, because no matter how much you may reason with someone, ultimately they are in control and make their own decisions.

Are you really willing to pay for more mental health services or are you just bitching? Even that is a slippery slope cause how do you determine who is dangerous...then what do you do without violating the rights we hold so sacred...which will bring you, especially Wade2Big screaming about infringement.

come on you 100's

Posted after MWa's which had some thoughts...

"How to prevent evil in the world"? This question has plagued mankind for quite some time. Not sure anyone has answered it yet?...let alone "on the internet" in a gun forum. more verbiage...

 

[P-Squared]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

@Maggot , it would take a little while for this to be effective, but Vlad the Impaler developed a pretty good method of discouraging certain behaviors. Now let's put a little spin on it, if your little darling pulled this shit, you get it too. It adds a touch of 'self policing' of the immediate family. No more crying and telling me through an interrupter how he had his reasons, or he was bullied, or what ever. The problem IS NOT the gun, it's the loose nut on the trigger. No more nuts, no more problems. /rant off

 

[BufordTJustice]

I'm with zeroz, on common sense security for schools...in this day and age, should have been implemented already. Oh...and don't prop open doors that are supposed to be locked! Oh...another idea, if you are a police officer and are "on scene" with an active shooter...ENGAGE YOU FUCKIN COWARD.

 

[FatBoy]

I dont believe you can really hold family or councilors accountable, except maybe parents for leaving a gun unsecured, because no matter how much you may reason with someone, ultimately they are in control and make their own decisions.

I agree, this can’t be legislated. The accountability I’m talking about is social. You’re kid shoots up a school because you’re a shit parent that didn’t notice they were a time bomb or didn’t care or didn’t want to jeopardize their college chances, you never work again. Socially ostracized until you starve in the fucking street, I don’t care.

Another example… We had the Waffle House shooting here a few years back. That guy was legit crazy and his father GAVE him his guns back. Every single person the news found that worked with him knew he was fucking certified nuts but he’s not institutionalized and is given back weapons after the police seized them and gave them to his parents. Yes, individuals are responsible for their actions but this guy clearly could not think rationally for himself. Should his parents bear no responsibility?

Schools officials are a little tricker, but if a teacher sends a kid down a half dozen times that kid has a problem. Maybe they need to dig a little deeper into why? Is he just an privileged asshole or does this kid need help? My councilor knew my parents. If I was fucked up, they got a call. No way this kid just got missed all this time. There were people in that school that knew he was a problem, maybe not to this degree but a problem. I’m not one who thinks a school should never talk about gay stuff, etc. as there is a time and place.(thinking high school) But they should spend at least as much time trying to identify and maybe help a kid who is spiraling as they do trying to keep a kid struggling with maybe being gay from hurting themselves. Maybe they do. To hear my brother talk, administratively teaches have almost no power to hold a kid back or remove them. (AZ)

I’m not religious anymore. I’ve seen too much man made corruption in institutional religion to give it much time now. That said, I believe in God as a higher power and live by a code. there is a moral code and obligations to better yourself, your family and your community. Call it Jesus. Call it faith. Call it spaghetti monster. Whatever, just get involved in an effort to make shit better as opposed to complaining while it’s circles the drain. Personally, I like to take new shooters out and demystify guns. 100% if the time it works. I have never seen anyone come off not smiling except my wife, who says I put too much pressure on her. I may help a neighbor who’s made some poor man choices and can’t feed her kids. Pisses me off I see her smoking while these kids don’t have cereal or milk but if I know those kids are hungry and can help I do. It doesn’t take much to improve a kids life.

 

[Jgault]

So to somewhat play the Devil's advocate....

Something has to be done, what do ya'll suggest?

-More mental health help?
Are you really willing to pay for it or would you piss ads whine about your tax dollars going to the 'Fucktards and losers"?

-Enforce the saws on the books? This kid slipped right past those.

-Guards at the schools. THat would have to include hardening and reinforcing other aspects and turning the school itself into something of a prison like scenario.

Again, just playing the Devil's Advocate, but if we dont institute some 'POSITIVE' changes you can 100% count on negative ones.

So lets hear it ya'll 100 pointers.

All the defensive measures you mentioned are good and sound. The one thing I never see the political class actually address is why does it happen? Firearms have been readily available in our country since it’s beginning. With the advent of the assembly line semi automatics have been available for more than a 100 years, ak/ar variants have been available for more than 50 years, yet the mass shooting craze if you will really only began in the mid 1990’s(yes there were isolated incidents before but that was really the start of the current trend). So if guns have stayed the same, access to guns stayed the same, the only thing that changed was people. I personally believe you can track all of this to a shift in the national mindset to victim status. For decades we have taught children that the deck is stacked against them, nothing is their fault, they can’t succeed, or they are privileged and should feel guilt and shame. We teach half the children that all of their problems are not their own fault but the fault of the other half of the population, while teaching the other half they are inherently bad for victimizing the first half. Combine that with telling the same generations there isn’t a God so there aren’t any consequences in the afterlife and you’ve created going on 2 generations of nihilist’s, and there will be a few that just say fuck it and I’m going to take out as many with me as I can because life doesn’t mean anything then there will just be empty black. Throw in the current political climate where literally every minute 24\7 these people are told that the other political half are evil, racists, wife beaters, destroying the planet and will kill everyone ect and you have the perfect recipe to trigger a maniac. It’s worth noting that in the only study I could find on mass shooting deaths per capita included data through 2015, and only studied Europe, Canada, and the US, because let’s be honest mass killings in South America, Mexico, and Africa are so common it would just muck up the point. The US wasn’t even in the top 10, and the top 10 all had either harsh gun control or total bans. Until we stop teaching half the country to hate the other half, and that the other half should live their lives in shame and depression because of anything that happens to the first half things will just get worse. So the answer to your question is yes your security measures are spot on, but needs to be combined with teaching pride and personal responsibility.

 

[Maggot]

Without Christ, there is no solution. The only reason The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution worked is because we had a Christian based society. We've turned our back on God, so now the we have liberty, without a moral compass and this is our downfall. Without the Christian conscience, liberty is used for evil. The rest of the world refused to accept this and now they have no liberty. The USA is hard-headed and wants to go the same route. Without Christ, there will be no Liberty. Where man looks to himself for solutions, there is bondage and tyranny. No amount of legislation, or mental health system overhaul, will fix what ails us. Any solution, without Christ will fail. Religion is not the solution. Religion has proven itself evil, throughout history. Faith in Christ is the only solution. He has never failed.

But Christ cant be legislated either. I reckon that leaves the job to us...and HIM.

 

[BufordTJustice]

All the defensive measures you mentioned are good and sound. The one thing I never see the political class actually address is why does it happen? Firearms have been readily available in our country since it’s beginning. With the advent of the assembly line semi automatics have been available for more than a 100 years, ak/ar variants have been available for more than 50 years, yet the mass shooting craze if you will really only began in the mid 1990’s(yes there were isolated incidents before but that was really the start of the current trend). So if guns have stayed the same, access to guns stayed the same, the only thing that changed was people. I personally believe you can track all of this to a shift in the national mindset to victim status. For decades we have taught children that the deck is stacked against them, nothing is their fault, they can’t succeed, or they are privileged and should feel guilt and shame. We teach half the children that all of their problems are not their own fault but the fault of the other half of the population, while teaching the other half they are inherently bad for victimizing the first half. Combine that with telling the same generations there isn’t a God so there aren’t any consequences in the afterlife and you’ve created going on 2 generations of nihilist’s, and there will be a few that just say fuck it and I’m going to take out as many with me as I can because life doesn’t mean anything then there will just be empty black. Throw in the current political climate where literally every minute 24\7 these people are told that the other political half are evil, racists, wife beaters, destroying the planet and will kill everyone ect and you have the perfect recipe to trigger a maniac. It’s worth noting that in the only study I could find on mass shooting dearth’s per capita included data through 2015, and only studied Europe, Canada, and the US, because let’s be honest mass killings in South America, Mexico, and Africa are so common it would just muck up the point. The US wasn’t even in the top 10, and the top 10 all had either harsh gun control or total bans. Until we stop teaching half the country to hate the other half, and that the other half should live their lives in shame and depression because of anything that happens to the first half things will just get worse. So the answer to your question is yes your security measures are spot on, but needs to be combined with teaching pride and personal responsibility.

Or just stop mainstreaming mental disorders ie...gender identity, victimization, liberalism, BLM, voting Democrat, white privelage, vaccinations...

 

[BLEE]

Another issue is we've turned out the mentally ill to live among us. Out society was better when we identified them, early and institutionalized them. Now, they are killing us, in their delusional rages.

 

[rtB]

Make all the courts and district attorney's offices "gun free zones". See how quickly they start doing their job.

When there's 10 cops at a school board meeting and none at the school you know exactly what they're doing.

 

[BLEE]

But Christ cant be legislated either. I reckon that leaves the job to us...and HIM.

Correct. Accepting/rejecting Christ is a choice. The USA is rejecting him, increasingly. That's why we are dealing with these issues so poorly. We are not looking to Him for the solution. Even He said it's a sure way to fail.

 

[JoshPutman]

Protect children as strongly as a politician

No, children should be protected way more than a politician.

Politicians can protect themselves. They don't want to do it? Fuck em then, I don't care. They are grown adults, even if they don't act like it.

 

[Mwalex]

No, children should be protected way more than a politician.

Politicians can protect themselves. They don't want to do it? Fuck em then, I don't care. They are grown adults, even if they don't act like it.

I agree but would be thrilled if kids protection equal that of a politician.

 

[FS1]

How to fix it? Simple.

Pass a law requiring everyone to be armed. Within a few years all the evil people and stupid hot heads will be dead. Problem solved.

Some innocents will die during the transition. But it likely will be fewer innocents then are dying now.

 

[JbBooks]

The problem with the security at schools is, it’s usually the shittiest cop on the force, when shit like this happens, they run and hide, that has been proven time and time again. We need to use teachers, parents, give these combat vets a job, whoever is guarding our kids need to be emotionally invested in these kids, not just worried about their dental plan, and before all the Leo and bootlickers start bitching about all the “good” cops, fuck off. I’ll put my money on a pissed off mom with a flip flop taking a school shooter out before I would some Leo tactitard with an M4 slung over a set of plates! Y’all act like you got to wait for the government to tell you how to protect our kids, they don’t own you or your kids. Public schools are still ran by private citizens, we need to get together as parents, put a plan in place and execute said plan, and if your school don’t go along, take your damn kids out of that school because they don’t give fuck about your kids.