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When I bought my 70 Torino GT back in 1978 when I was a senior in high school, it was already a rust bucket here in WI. Not a 429, but a 351 Cleveland 4 speed. Man, I had a lot of fun for 3 years with that car...had a hell of a time keeping the throwout bearing in it. Something must have been out of whack as I broke the tabs on about 4 bearings in 3 years.
 
When I bought my 70 Torino GT back in 1978 when I was a senior in high school, it was already a rust bucket here in WI. Not a 429, but a 351 Cleveland 4 speed. Man, I had a lot of fun for 3 years with that car...had a hell of a time keeping the throwout bearing in it. Something must have been out of whack as I broke the tabs on about 4 bearings in 3 years.
Yes that is weird I think lat time we changed clutch I was 12 ot 14 I will be 52 in December
 
Got my new bike yesterday and this morning after adjusting the clutch we took it for a check out ride. Damn thing wouldn't start and the wife is like.. what is wrong? A few minutes and a twist of the fuel valve I responded with.. I'm a dumbass. I bet it'll do every bit of a sundial on the quarter mile strip but it sure is fun to ride.
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80 cubic inches of Harley Davidson Evolution. S&S carb and an Andrews cam.
 
Got my new bike yesterday and this morning after adjusting the clutch we took it for a check out ride. Damn thing wouldn't start and the wife is like.. what is wrong? A few minutes and a twist of the fuel valve I responded with.. I'm a dumbass. I bet it'll do every bit of a sundial on the quarter mile strip but it sure is fun to ride.
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80 cubic inches of Harley Davidson Evolution. S&S carb and an Andrews cam.
Very nice my one bike looked exactly the same when I got it 1992 correct
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The green flag was....
There's no replacement for displacement is outdated.

I have a mild cam in an Olds 474 cubic inch motor. 495 ft lbs and 425 HP.
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It sounds like a big block should. I am old school and just can't drag myself to put fuel injection on it. Would it help? Most definitely but I like carbs.
That said. I am not going to bash the young crowd with the turbos and the 4 or 6 mills. Hell, when the Grand National came out I wanted one. I had a 400 HP 355 in a Camaro at the time. It was getting smoked by a six banger and I wanted oneAt 17 I bought a rusted out 74 that ran

The green flag was....
There's no replacement for displacement is outdated.

I have a mild cam in an Olds 474 cubic inch motor. 495 ft lbs and 425 HP.
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It sounds like a big block should. I am old school and just can't drag myself to put fuel injection on it. Would it help? Most definitely but I like carbs.
That said. I am not going to bash the young crowd with the turbos and the 4 or 6 mills. Hell, when the Grand National came out I wanted one. I had a 400 HP 355 in a Camaro at the time. It was getting smoked by a six banger and I wanted one.
1st car I bought at 17 was a rusty 74 Cutlass Supreme with a blown head gasket for $75. I fixed it in my driveway and it ran like a scalded dog. Found a 68 Cutlass body I bought for $200, after swapping engines I just couldn't stand to look at that lil ole 350 sitting in that huge engine bay, that started my big block addiction. I can remember at 19 putting in a 455 with a turbo 400 attached by myself with a cable strung between 2 trees and a hand crank come-along. That thing was a beast. I used to eat IROC Camaros and TAs, Dodge had just released that little turbo Daytona charger, they'd get me off the line, but when I'd hit 2nd gear and bark the tires they were done for. Oldsmobiles have always had a special place in my heart.
I sold that car for $2,500 and felt like I was giving my 1st born away...
 
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What length and brand for the true duels?
Sampson I don't remember length when I bought them 9 years ago they were the longest
They had but I think they have longer now just so you know I have a steel 6 inch extended
Fender on there also so they are really long the points are filed down from turning and going out
Of parking lots now
 
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Got my new bike yesterday and this morning after adjusting the clutch we took it for a check out ride. Damn thing wouldn't start and the wife is like.. what is wrong? A few minutes and a twist of the fuel valve I responded with.. I'm a dumbass. I bet it'll do every bit of a sundial on the quarter mile strip but it sure is fun to ride.
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80 cubic inches of Harley Davidson Evolution. S&S carb and an Andrews cam.
One of the most beautiful latter day Harleys out there!

Sirhr
 
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A friend has four heritage springers. He says that they are for sale but when you ask how much? He comes out with some ridiculous number and laughs.
A few years ago I was going to buy one but after a test ride the numbers were not there.
That's a nice ride.
More pictures please.

Edit to add: OMG I just noticed the tire on the red one. I can't believe we used to ride on those. Compared to the dual compound tires of today those are like ice skates
 
Trip hazards. I bet they are like hitting your shin on a tow hitch.
Sampson I don't remember length when I bought them 9 years ago they were the longest
They had but I think they have longer now just so you know I have a steel 6 inch extended
Fender on there also so they are really long the points are filed down from turning and going out
Of parking lots now
 
A friend has four heritage springers. He says that they are for sale but when you ask how much? He comes out with some ridiculous number and laughs.

A few years ago I was going to buy one but after a test ride the numbers were not there.
That's a nice ride.
More pictures please.

Edit to add: OMG I just noticed the tire on the red one. I can't believe we used to ride on those. Compared to the dual compound tires of today those are like ice skates
Red one is my '46 knuck...

Rides fine in all weather except snow. But I don't ride in that.



Sirhr
 
Got absolutely smoked by a Honda accord yesterday while driving the Camaro. Sitting at the red light, accord pulls up next to me and immediately started revving the engine. I chilled. Light turned green, Honda takes off and I slowly made my way up the 45 mph speed limit and kicked in the cruise control. Will probably be on YouTube within the week, lol.

Lost my taste for street racing as a teenager when they took my license for a year, lol. Haven’t had a ticket in over 20 years.
 
Got absolutely smoked by a Honda accord yesterday while driving the Camaro. Sitting at the red light, accord pulls up next to me and immediately started revving the engine. I chilled. Light turned green, Honda takes off and I slowly made my way up the 45 mph speed limit and kicked in the cruise control. Will probably be on YouTube within the week, lol.

Lost my taste for street racing as a teenager when they took my license for a year, lol. Haven’t had a ticket in over 20 years.

My ZL1 is pretty loud at idle due to a lumpy cam, long-tube headers, cat delete, and factory NPP exhaust (which bypasses the mufflers at idle and WOT). I like this because it now sounds like a proper V8 sports coupe instead of a soccer-mom Tahoe, but it has the unintended consequence of attracting every type of bozo at stop lights. So, yeah, I roll off the line at about 5% throttle and short-shift at 2000 RPM while letting the other guy in a loud Jetta or Mini Cooper rip off a brisk sprint to 20 over the limit. Hopefully it makes them look like heroes on the 'gram.

Street racing is indeed stupid - it's far too great of a risk to others, and I don't want to go to jail or pay any more than the already-stupid amounts of money my insurance company already charges. A buddy's kid got busting doing rolls on the highway, and is now paying more to insure his Civic Sport each month than his loan payment. Track days and test-n-tune nights are way cheaper, and better tests of performance. (I can spin the tires to 100+ on the street, so the aforementioned bozo in a Jetta or Mini just might walk me with his 6-second 0-60 even if I'm actually trying.)
 
My ZL1 is pretty loud at idle due to a lumpy cam, long-tube headers, cat delete, and factory NPP exhaust (which bypasses the mufflers at idle and WOT). I like this because it now sounds like a proper V8 sports coupe instead of a soccer-mom Tahoe, but it has the unintended consequence of attracting every type of bozo at stop lights. So, yeah, I roll off the line at about 5% throttle and short-shift at 2000 RPM while letting the other guy in a loud Jetta or Mini Cooper rip off a brisk sprint to 20 over the limit. Hopefully it makes them look like heroes on the 'gram.

Street racing is indeed stupid - it's far too great of a risk to others, and I don't want to go to jail or pay any more than the already-stupid amounts of money my insurance company already charges. A buddy's kid got busting doing rolls on the highway, and is now paying more to insure his Civic Sport each month than his loan payment. Track days and test-n-tune nights are way cheaper, and better tests of performance. (I can spin the tires to 100+ on the street, so the aforementioned bozo in a Jetta or Mini just might walk me with his 6-second 0-60 even if I'm actually trying.)
Sandbag on the street so you can make some money off of them when they want to try you again at the track!
 
Got absolutely smoked by a Honda accord yesterday while driving the Camaro. Sitting at the red light, accord pulls up next to me and immediately started revving the engine. I chilled. Light turned green, Honda takes off and I slowly made my way up the 45 mph speed limit and kicked in the cruise control. Will probably be on YouTube within the week, lol.

Lost my taste for street racing as a teenager when they took my license for a year, lol. Haven’t had a ticket in over 20 years.
Never understood street racing especially if both stock

What to race??? Why I can just look on YouTube and know who’s going to win.
 
Sandbag on the street so you can make some money off of them when they want to try you again at the track!

Na, because the bozo on the street never shows up at the track, and the guys at the track aren't playing those games on the street.

It would have been cool to grow up in a time and place which such scenarios presented themselves, but the street cars of my youth were garbage, and by the time I could afford nice stuff, I was old enough to recognize that this behavior is a bad idea. I can hit 120+ in about 10 seconds, and smacking a deer at that speed makes for a bad night.

As has been hinted in this thread, modified diesel trucks are the way to play on the street. There's usually enough traction to pull off a boosted launch in 4Hi, and that will stomp most RWD performance cars up to highway speeds.
 
Never understood street racing especially if both stock

What to race??? Why I can just look on YouTube and know who’s going to win.

Some of it is a driving game. Not blowing away a pair of typical street tires on regular pavement does take some skill, especially in something with a manual trans and non-linear power curve. So this is how someone in a 14-second HD pickup walks a dude in a E92 M3 or Coyote Mustang.
 
My ZL1 is pretty loud at idle due to a lumpy cam, long-tube headers, cat delete, and factory NPP exhaust (which bypasses the mufflers at idle and WOT). I like this because it now sounds like a proper V8 sports coupe instead of a soccer-mom Tahoe, but it has the unintended consequence of attracting every type of bozo at stop lights. So, yeah, I roll off the line at about 5% throttle and short-shift at 2000 RPM while letting the other guy in a loud Jetta or Mini Cooper rip off a brisk sprint to 20 over the limit. Hopefully it makes them look like heroes on the 'gram.

Street racing is indeed stupid - it's far too great of a risk to others, and I don't want to go to jail or pay any more than the already-stupid amounts of money my insurance company already charges. A buddy's kid got busting doing rolls on the highway, and is now paying more to insure his Civic Sport each month than his loan payment. Track days and test-n-tune nights are way cheaper, and better tests of performance. (I can spin the tires to 100+ on the street, so the aforementioned bozo in a Jetta or Mini just might walk me with his 6-second 0-60 even if I'm actually trying.)
Only mods to this one is window tint (done) and I’m going to get the exhaust done so it’s dead quiet. I mean it came with 455 horsepower, not much else to do with it except drive it. It’s a 2022 SS with 2SS trim, A10 transmission because fuck manual shifting. Got over that shit in my mid 20’s.

Street racing is dumb now, but I did it as a teenager, and with all of my tickets my insurance was sky high. Don’t miss that. Now I’m under $250 for insurance for 4 vehicles and a camper.
 
I get import douches trying to play when driving my ATS-V....nah bro, that's what the circuit decals on the window are for. Fast car/fast driver and all that...

Besides, 600 wheel on 285 rear street tires isn't a recipe for winning from a dig.
 
A friend got taken to jail for street racing. A young man came up beside him at a light and when it went green they were off. Two blocks down and a cop pulled out with his lights on. Cop wrote the young man an appearance ticket and my buddy got arrested. Cop told him that a 65 year old should know better. He spent the night and bonded out in the morning. He knew the judge and when asked if he learned a lesson he said yes. $100 plus court cost with diversion. The judge slammed the young guy though.
 
Only mods to this one is window tint (done) and I’m going to get the exhaust done so it’s dead quiet. I mean it came with 455 horsepower, not much else to do with it except drive it. It’s a 2022 SS with 2SS trim, A10 transmission because fuck manual shifting. Got over that shit in my mid 20’s.

Street racing is dumb now, but I did it as a teenager, and with all of my tickets my insurance was sky high. Don’t miss that. Now I’m under $250 for insurance for 4 vehicles and a camper.
Quiet exhaust is the way to go. Loud exhaust just draws attention you really don't want, especially from the cops. I'll gladly give up 2 or 3 % of my potential horsepower to stay relatively unnoticed.
 
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Quiet exhaust is the way to go. Loud exhaust just draws attention you really don't want, especially from the cops. I'll gladly give up 2 or 3 % of my potential horsepower to stay relatively unnoticed.
So a 1-7/8 Equal tubed open header running into a 24 inch long 3 inch diameter collector isn’t the way to go?
 
So a 1-7/8 Equal tubed open header running into a 24 inch long 3 inch diameter collector isn’t the way to go?
It certainly sounds good at the track for us old timers, but not worth the hassle on the street. Quiet exhaust on the street will go a long way to keeping your insurance rates low and the road pirates out of your pocket.
 
This is where a GM active exhaust pays dividends. Even with downpipes or headers, it sounds respectable driving normally but gets loud when you mash the fast pedal.
 
Some of it is a driving game. Not blowing away a pair of typical street tires on regular pavement does take some skill, especially in something with a manual trans and non-linear power curve. So this is how someone in a 14-second HD pickup walks a dude in a E92 M3 or Coyote Mustang.
All true…but any new car worth racing to begin with has launch control. Which is better 9 of 10.

Racing a stock 2005 vs a 1998 etc …is a shit box derby anyway 😎

Want to drag, hit a strip
Want to race chip in for a lapping day , the are cheap
 
I keep waffling about what I want next. I think I’ve circled back around to an ‘05 or ‘06 Merc E320 cdi
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But make it fast, so it can do stuff like this
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Yes, the engine in the drift car is the same as in the plain brown sedan wrapper. The only reason the valve covers have been off the drift car is to put bigger cams in. Otherwise it’s a stone stock long block with significant upgrades to charge air cooling and fueling. It makes 700hp & all of the Nm torque from a large turbo being compound fed by a giant turbo. If driven responsibly(lolwut?!) it could return ~30mpg but still stomp everything but the highest tier street racers on the highway
 
All true…but any new car worth racing to begin with has launch control. Which is better 9 of 10.

Racing a stock 2005 vs a 1998 etc …is a shit box derby anyway 😎

Want to drag, hit a strip
Want to race chip in for a lapping day , the are cheap

At some point, you're talking about unicorn events - two cars, both modern enough to have launch control that's effective on the street, lined up by two drivers who are willing and competent enough to run from a standing start.

Much to the chagrin of Boomers, modern life is not like a Beach Boys song.
 
At some point, you're talking about unicorn events - two cars, both modern enough to have launch control that's effective on the street, lined up by two drivers who are willing and competent enough to run from a standing start.

Much to the chagrin of Boomers, modern life is not like a Beach Boys song.
i know im not a big drag race fan so im biased in general.. open wheel racer when i was younger

but roll racing from 35 to 100 just when aerodynamics start showing up was never a "thing" for me

running up to 120 when a car with 400 HP can usually do 160-170 is like kissing your sister...nothing even started happening yet
 
I think that most of us "old" car guys street raced when we were kids. It is just what it is.

Story time:

This is roughly 79-80-ish. Buddy and I are down on the Plaza (this is in KC) and at that time was a good place to be at night. The people north did not go south and the people south did not go north. I don't remember what we were doing but we go to the car and there are about 8 black guys around my car....ahh lets go to Mc Donalds. We goof around there for about half an hour, figure they should be gone, and nope still there....well hell.

First word out of their mouth....wanna race. Well my heart will start beating again, sure. They want to go north into their area, we want to go south into my area. We decide to go south but no farther then 63rd street. We go blasting down ward parkway, 4 cars of kids, two white kids in one car 8 black kids between two cars. Finally they don't want to go any farther, and we pull off on a street and start to BS like kids do. The houses in this are are old and VERY nice, I would bet today 20mil homes easy....if they are not I would be shocked.

So we are all standing there being loud kids talking about cars. I am guessing 12-ish at night. Then all at once the entire place lights up like the infield at the baseball stadium......holy hell we gotta get out of here.....and we beat feet.

I can only imagine what the richy riches thought in their houses with all those kids out front. Never saw a cop.
 
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i know im not a big drag race fan so im biased in general.. open wheel racer when i was younger

but roll racing from 35 to 100 just when aerodynamics start showing up was never a "thing" for me

running up to 120 when a car with 400 HP can usually do 160-170 is like kissing your sister...nothing even started happening yet

To me drag racing was just a bore, had a buddy that was very into it. I never really got it.

When I got a little older and had some money and decided I needed less money I did SCCA road racing at the club level. It is like I said before, if you ever race for "real" anything else is just bla, and zero interest. I still enjoy cars I can't race anymore, so I enjoy them in other ways.
 
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To me drag racing was just a bore, had a buddy that was very into it. I never really got it.

When I got a little older and had some money and decided I needed less money I did SCCA road racing at the club level. It is like I said before, if you ever race for "real" anything else is just bla, and zero interest. I still enjoy cars I can't race anymore, so I enjoy them in other ways.
yup, the wiser and more experienced you get the less raw power/speed matters
 
Launch control and track modes are two things I'll likely never use on this car. Hell, I haven't even put it in sport mode yet, lol.
 
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I think that most of us "old" car guys street raced when we were kids. It is just what it is.

Story time:

This is roughly 79-80-ish. Buddy and I are down on the Plaza (this is in KC) and at that time was a good place to be at night. The people north did not go south and the people south did not go north. I don't remember what we were doing but we go to the car and there are about 8 black guys around my car....ahh lets go to Mc Donalds. We goof around there for about half an hour, figure they should be gone, and nope still there....well hell.

First word out of their mouth....wanna race. Well my heart will start beating again, sure. They want to go north into their area, we want to go south into my area. We decide to go south but no farther then 63rd street. We go blasting down ward parkway, 4 cars of kids, two white kids in one car 8 black kids between two cars. Finally they don't want to go any farther, and we pull off on a street and start to BS like kids do. The houses in this are are old and VERY nice, I would bet today 20mil homes easy....if they are not I would be shocked.

So we are all standing there being loud kids talking about cars. I am guessing 12-ish at night. Then all at once the entire place lights up like the infield at the baseball stadium......holy hell we gotta get out of here.....and we beat feet.

I can only imagine what the richy riches thought in their houses with all those kids out front. Never saw a cop.
We drag raced an M2A3 (Bradley Fighting Vehicle) and an M1ASEP (Abrams tank) once
 
Launch control and track modes are two things I'll likely never use on this car. Hell, I haven't even put it in sport mode yet, lol.
Launch control is fun if you can set the launch rpm. I used it all of twice in my 17 Daytona 392 Charger. Too many videos of idiots using it over and over again and frying a new fangled car.
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And who won... and who got Article-15'd?

Sirhr
It wasn’t really fair, the Bradley was due for an engine out service. The tank smacked the Bradley’s little penis though. I couldn’t believe it. The Bradley got the jump, but didn’t keep the lead long
 
that a bridgeport or street port motor?
Aggressive street port. Wish I had a picture of the intakes. Lost a ton of pictures when an old computer crashed and I tested its flight characteristics.

I never did a bridge because I still drove the car on the street. It had a GT-35r on it and even with that large street port the turbo couldn’t keep up (20psi)after about 8200 RPM, manifold pressure would start to fall off. To take advantage of a bridge I needed a bigger turbo which would’ve required a bigger fuel system. It was more than enough to have fun and race street bikes.
 
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It wasn’t really fair, the Bradley was due for an engine out service. The tank smacked the Bradley’s little penis though. I couldn’t believe it. The Bradley got the jump, but didn’t keep the lead long
Did the Abraham’s crew take the governor’s off.. like all Abraham’s crew did? Unauthorized of course.

Sirhr
 
Did the Abraham’s crew take the governor’s off.. like all Abraham’s crew did? Unauthorized of course.

Sirhr
The TC was a bit of a shady fella. Who knows what he was up to. I had no skin in the game except being an instigator. All parties were pretty good sports though. Lotta noise and not a lotta speed that day
 

Yes and the struggle is real.
You’re fucking right it is. I might be able to buy and care for a Cayman(hard pass on a Boxster). Until it needs an engine rebuild…
 

Yes and the struggle is real.

You’re fucking right it is. I might be able to buy and care for a Cayman(hard pass on a Boxster). Until it needs an engine rebuild…

In my time playing with those over priced Volkswagens (sorry had to) the air cooled guys really looked down on the water cooled guys as not driving a "real Porsche"....then in the late 90's their air cooled cars got water cooling and so odd how that went away only to be replaced by the snobbery to Boxster owners as not having a "real Porsche".

Could not stand people like that so I went off to play with other quite odd German cars.
 
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In my time playing with those over priced Volkswagens (sorry had to) the air cooled guys really looked down on the water cooled guys as not driving a "real Porsche"....then in the late 90's their air cooled cars got water cooling and so odd how that went away only to be replaced by the snobbery to Boxster owners as not having a "real Porsche".

Could not stand people like that so I went off to play with other quite odd German cars.
Hard pass on a Boxster because real sports cars are absolutely not convertibles(my very biased opinion).

What odd German cars are you playing with?
 
Bu bu bu we were told "Miata is always the answer"...
I can make an exception for cars that are only available as convertibles. Like the Miata, S2000, or old school Cobra. Or unless all of the convertible mechanism parts are removed and replaced by a hard top