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Mules redeployed

I think it's shitty but let's be honest how much of our money is wasted? How much was sent to Ukraine? I would rather my tax money go toward an American than some transgender study in another country.
False dichotomy. Why should it go to either?
There's no constitutional authority for the feds to be involved in charity, and there wasn't any prior to FDR.
 
Well, you just heard it from one of them. They don't know what the 80's were like. Hell, they weren't even taught what really happened during the great depression. It's skimmed over and no facts about real life was like.
The current shit economy is a direct result of too much free shit and people sitting around expecting more free shit. Of course turning off the oil spigot didn’t help the situation either, but hey, we must have a green energy policy, don’t we demoncrats? Why should I pay for someone else’s student loans? I‘be paid all my indebtedness and paid for my kids college education. I also did not receive a penny of “free” shit that has been given away the past three years, so don’t ask me to pay off your damn loans. I got to where I am by hard work, living within my means, and good investment habits. Leave it to some dumb old man that has lived his entire life on the government tit to even devise and orchestrate such a plan.

As far as farmers, if you think the government supports them too much then go borrow about 10 million dollars and become a government paid farmer. Just so you know, you won’t make enough money to pay half of your interest cost each year. It amazes me how everyone thinks the farmer is getting rich. If you think so, go get you some of it. I’m guessing you won’t care for the work involved either.

Just so you know inflation will continue, and the Fed will keep raising interest rates which will result in a full blown 80’s style recession. If you think times are tough now, wait about 12 months.
Of course they won't learn anything cuz they have their face stuck in their phones watching tic TOC, some dumb ass influencer or Facebook.
Distracted and dumb.... Gee, I wonder how easy they are to manipulate?
 
False dichotomy. Why should it go to either?
There's no constitutional authority for the feds to be involved in charity, and there wasn't any prior to FDR.

It shouldn't but history tells us it will so with that in mind I would rather the money stay in our country.
 
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I don't want either. But for the sake of an argument.
I will trade free education for welfare and food stamps.
Free state college or a trade school after an aptitude test to determine course of education. Then end the welfare program.
Second point that I actually think should happen in a free capitalist country.
Upon graduation an aptitude test and those that are inclined towards an avenue of education corporations can fund future employees education. Yes it sounds a lot like corporate towns, stores and money but it can be worked out.
But now most of the manufacturers are in China so that needs to get straightened out.
 
False dichotomy. Why should it go to either?
There's no constitutional authority for the feds to be involved in charity, and there wasn't any prior to FDR.
What happened to allow a socialist like fdr to get elected ? Also let the first largest gun control bill get passed
 
I don't want either. But for the sake of an argument.
I will trade free education for welfare and food stamps.
Free state college or a trade school after an aptitude test to determine course of education. Then end the welfare program.
Second point that I actually think should happen in a free capitalist country.
Upon graduation an aptitude test and those that are inclined towards an avenue of education corporations can fund future employees education. Yes it sounds a lot like corporate towns, stores and money but it can be worked out.
But now most of the manufacturers are in China so that needs to get straightened out.

There are a lot of things that could be done. Like in the UK, company hires an intern and pays for their college and that intern works at that company until they graduate (an actual contract).
 
Ethanol has always been a scam, it is expensive to produce and uses massive amounts of water in the process. It's another product of the government stepping in where they should have not been. Ethanol falls right in line with solar and wind as a big government give away to their buddies program. PPP is just another example of government mishandling of other peoples money. How about those electric car subsidies, student loan assistance and on and on, buying votes is a big business.
Coal equals methanol. Way better to get alcohol this way. But...There goes all those farm subsidies
 
According to foxnews, 20-28 year olds voted almost 20-1 in favor of Dems. They created a blue wave that essentially countered the predicted red wave


Resident population of the United States by sex and age as of July 1, 2021(in millions)​

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Age in yearsMaleFemale
Under 59.629.2
5 to 910.389.92
10 to 1410.9910.46
15 to 1911.0210.54
20 to 2410.9710.55
25 to 2911.3811.01
30 to 3411.6711.43
35 to 3911.2611.04
40 to 4410.5910.51
45 to 499.889.91
50 to 5410.4410.47
55 to 5910.6310.94
60 to 6410.3310.9
65 to 698.759.65
70 to 747.128.15
75 to 794.475.43
80 to 842.73.61
85 and over2.183.8
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Every year 4 million turn eighteen and are eligible to vote. That's 8 million more potential voters in the 2024 election.

Women outnumber men at some point in their mid to late 40s. It continues till death.
 
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College expenses skyrocketed after government started underwriting loans. Colleges offer useless degrees for people who think a degree will be a balm for their self esteem issues.
Same thing happened with healthcare, and other areas.
The negative consequence of government action is always being fixed by more government.

They outlined the plan in the 60s, the Cloward-Piven strategy, spend the country into bankruptcy, then claim socialism is the cure.
We can't beat that ideology by becoming it.

This is a brilliant, cohesive take Mike. I didn't know about the loan underwriting part, learned something new. Looks like D is trying to apply a $10K bandaid on a deeper problem.
 
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I drove home from Ohio today and couldn't believe how much crop land is being converted to solar panels.

Subsidies must not be able to compete with solar

At this point it is subsidies fighting subsidies. Solar subsidies might now be larger than farming subsidies. Plus easier for a deep pocketed investor to set up a solar farm and collect cash rather than do actual work on a farm.
 
This is a brilliant, cohesive take Mike. I didn't know about the loan underwriting part, learned something new. Looks like D is trying to apply a $10K bandaid on a deeper problem.
They're only selling as a bandaid. The true aim is to bankrupt the government. That's why they fully support funding any harebrained idea that comes down the pike.
 
This is a brilliant, cohesive take Mike. I didn't know about the loan underwriting part, learned something new. Looks like D is trying to apply a $10K bandaid on a deeper problem.
Among my college papers I still have a receipt for fall tuition in 1985. For 17 credits, lab fees, insurance, activity fee and health center fee it was $496. This was for junior level electrical engineering courses. Plug that into an inflation calculator and it's about $1350 today.

Todays tuition at that same university is $4913, and that's without any fees.

Easy government loans allowed the colleges to jack up their prices.
 
Too big to fail!!! Remember that? Has anyone paid attention to how much money from the COVID stimulus, Ukraine money or any other bailout bills went to universities?
Did anyone else think that the takeover of tuition by the government wasn't a fuck job? Any one remember how noble the patriot act was? A few were saying that it's fucked up and going to be used against the population but they assured us that there were checks and balances. How about the most recent inflation reduction act?
Anyone actually believe that the government is telling the truth?
 
It might show that, but I don’t know which is worse to think about. Either the libtards are:

cheating and stealing the elections

or

They are really that effed up in the head and are actually really voting that way.

Which is worse? I suppose if they’re cheating, that could be rectified, but if they are really deranged enough to legitimately vote the libtard agenda, we are truly lost.

John
The movie "2000 Mules" shows precisely what they did, and how; there is even video proof. Since the libs obviously got away with it with no consequences, even calling the indisputable truth 'the big lie', why would they not keep doing it?
 
And the republicants are screaming from the rooftops??
Ummm, nope. That says a lot.
The movie "2000 Mules" shows precisely what they did, and how; there is even video proof. Since the libs obviously got away with it with no consequences, even calling the indisputable truth 'the big lie', why would they not keep doing it?
 
I'm not a weed guy at all (makes me paranoid) but I often think how R's could have easily turned the tides had they gone heavy pro legalizing all drugs 10 years ago.

I know tons of dems that vote single issue for weed the way I vote single issue for guns.

Had the GOP simply choosen it's battles more wisely and softly pivoted towards libertarian positions things would look way different.
NO. It’s because they CHEAT. Period.
 
Noob I came out of school in 1979 and worked through the early 80's, it gave me a perspective on economics and personal responsibility that can only be had by going through it. You think you have things tough read a little history of the 80s or just hang on because you are about to live it first hand. I can still remember car loans at 18%, unemployment was high and unions going on strike putting manufacturers out of business.
100% spot on there AllenOne. Now, let's expand. It took many of the surviving companies that had pride and didn't declare bankrupcy until the mid-late 90s to fully recover. In many areas of the country the hole that was dug without declaring bankrupcy was huge and the recovery didn't hit in full force (think more rural areas, cities less than 50K).

Also remember this was back when businesses such as electrical, mechanical, plumbing contractors had to stock most of the stuff themselves that they bought from suppliers so they could service their customers. Then kick in that high 18%+ interest rate (prime!!!, not borrowing rate) with all that inventory and you can see how people lost their asses. Businesses that survived without bankrupcy took years to get back to profitability as they were massively in hock.

It's all coming back...brought to you by The Swamp (both dems/marxists and gop/marxists).
 
With regards to the young voters who turned out overwhelmingly for the Democrats - what exactly was the Republican party offering to them, and how was this communicated? There has been no compelling reason put forth to the youth as to why they should vote against the handouts and platitudes offered by the left. I think the only possible exception at this moment is Heavy D, and mainly because he's not a geezer and he's getting shit done in Florida.

Trump fortunately ripped the Republican party from the grasp of the neocons, but didn't really establish much in the way of a replacement theory of governance. I understand that older conservatives are quite comfortable simply voting against the left, but younger people who are not yet set in their ways need something more tangible to support.

Until the Republicans get candidates who can go on Rogan to share concrete plans, forget about ever getting support from this cohort. And it's not like this is some impossible task; Dave Smith was on that exact podcast a couple of months ago staking out the Libertarian position on a range of issues, and video clips of that interview have gotten over 10 million views.
 
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Get rid of the blatant democrat vote cheating and you will end up with a veto proof majority in both chambers of congress.
Nothings gonna change

Talk radio won’t talk about the fraud. Half the people on here think it was a legitimate election
 
With regards to the young voters who turned out overwhelmingly for the Democrats - what exactly was the Republican party offering to them, and how was this communicated? There has been no compelling reason put forth to the youth as to why they should vote against the handouts and platitudes offered by the left. I think the only possible exception at this moment is Heavy D, and mainly because he's not a geezer and he's getting shit done in Florida.

Trump fortunately ripped the Republican party from the grasp of the neocons, but didn't really establish much in the way of a replacement theory of governance. I understand that older conservatives are quite comfortable simply voting against the left, but younger people who are not yet set in their ways need something more tangible to support.

Until the Republicans get candidates who can go on Rogan to share concrete plans, forget about ever getting support from this cohort. And it's not like this is some impossible task; Dave Smith was on that exact podcast a couple of months ago staking out the Libertarian position on a range of issues, and video clips of that interview have gotten over 10 million views.
Used to be folks were raised with enough pride to want to support themselves, and looked down on handouts as being beneath them. But a couple of generations of paying women to raise illegitimate kids in fatherless homes has taken its toll.
 
Used to be folks were raised with enough pride to want to support themselves, and looked down on handouts as being beneath them. But a couple of generations of paying women to raise illegitimate kids in fatherless homes has taken its toll.

Sway those young people back to the side of enlightenment or lose the country forever. Most conservatives are more comfortable with the latter because the former is so much harder than complaining. Men can volunteer at their local Boy Scout chapter or church youth group (we're dying from lack of adult volunteers), or they can repost tweets about Drag Queen Story Hour in a city 1200 miles away.

I spend one weekend and twelve weeknights each month with the aforementioned youth activities, in addition to about two weeks' worth of vacation time each year for chaperoning field trips and overnight camp. It ain't enough, so hopefully someone else can pick up some slack.
 
The 80s interest rates and unemployment sounds alarming and I must confess I don't know much about this. I wonder why this is not discussed more in media, because it sounds very similar to what we are about to go through again.
You need a crash course in economics. Even if you’re an economics major, it sounds like you’re being taught by fucking Paul Krugman. You would do yourself, and everyone around you, well to spend a week reading this site and some of their free pdf books.

 
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Sway those young people back to the side of enlightenment or lose the country forever. Most conservatives are more comfortable with the latter because the former is so much harder than complaining. Men can volunteer at their local Boy Scout chapter or church youth group (we're dying from lack of adult volunteers), or they can repost tweets about Drag Queen Story Hour in a city 1200 miles away.

I spend one weekend and twelve weeknights each month with the aforementioned youth activities, in addition to about two weeks' worth of vacation time each year for chaperoning field trips and overnight camp. It ain't enough, so hopefully someone else can pick up some slack.
If you can't feed em don't breed em. I'm not responsible for illegitimate welfare babies if I didn't create them. Cut off the freebies, and if some welfare whore is too lazy to support her brood, charge her with neglect and put her in jail. If that doesn't get her attention terminate her parental rights and remove the kids permanently.
The country worked much better before we decided pathetic moochers should be allowed to tranfer the consequences of their laziness and poor life choices to others.
 
So, what are we gonna do about it?
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There are plenty of fake conservatives on the forum who want 6,000 lbs luxury SUV tax write offs to continue but don't want young people to get a chance.
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I don't give a shit if you think you don't get a chance. You have it, same as the rest of us have had it. Just don't make me pay even more than I already do for "your chance".

I've got the same story as so many Americans do. Came from not much, worked my ass off for the last 25 years and earned every bit of my position in life now.

Go earn it yourself.
 
If you can't feed em don't breed em. I'm not responsible for illegitimate welfare babies if I didn't create them. Cut off the freebies, and if some welfare whore is too lazy to support her brood, charge her with neglect and put her in jail. If that doesn't get her attention terminate her parental rights and remove the kids permanently.
The country worked much better before we decided pathetic moochers should be allowed to tranfer the consequences of their laziness and poor life choices to others.

While you're spouting useless platitudes that would have sounded great on Rush Limbaugh's show in the 1990s, there are about 19 million American youth who will become voters each election cycle. Either you find a way to help enlighten them, or you complain uselessly. Your church youth group pastor is a great starting point - he or she could use the help right now.
 
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While you're spouting useless platitudes that would have sounded great on Rush Limbaugh's show in the 1990s, there are about 19 million American youth who will become voters each election cycle. Either you find a way to help enlighten them, or you complain uselessly. Your church youth group pastor is a great starting point - he or she could use the help right now.
I'm telling the truth. Let them starve if they're too lazy to support themselves.
 
Among my college papers I still have a receipt for fall tuition in 1985. For 17 credits, lab fees, insurance, activity fee and health center fee it was $496. This was for junior level electrical engineering courses. Plug that into an inflation calculator and it's about $1350 today.

Todays tuition at that same university is $4913, and that's without any fees.

Easy government loans allowed the colleges to jack up their prices.
Higher education has become a jobs program, with people who can't be fired happy to ride the government-check gravy train, laughing up their sleeves all the way to the bank.
 
I was working my ass off too. I worked 20 hours each week during semesters and did internships during summers. I picked Friday night and Saturday night shifts for guaranteed work, because everyone else was partying so I always got the hours. I made $240 a week (less after taxes) which covered the rent.

Not sure how long you had to work, but for us it needs 3 years of work to pay for 1 year of school. Gone are the days when a summer job paid for the entire year.

And no I am not a fucking sociology major.

I worked a lot of 16 hour days to put my two kids in private schools starting at pre-k trough high school. I made a deal with them. Get straight A's and I'll buy you a car for senior year high school. They both did (of course)...

That led to both of them getting full scholarships for college, which basically paid for the cars and then some. We still had to pay R&B, but college was free. Now they both are making good money, one is married, they own a brand new home, and I have two grandkids as a result. And no college debt.

Kids, and most parents, don't see the importance of being straight A students in high school and end up having to borrow. Borrowing money on the "promise" of a future job is a suckers bet. Take doctors and lawyers. For most, it takes a decade or more to get those loans off their books....
 
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Also on the student loan payoff. Why do the previous people who have paid over the years not get any reimbursement? They should get it first and these kids get whatever is leftover.

Oh wait there will not be anything left. I bet if that’s how this worked all these people for student loan forgiveness would be all of a sudden against it.
 
advocating for another gov. program that doesn't work...insanity. What to offer the 18-25 yr. old demographic...reality, honesty. Life is not fair, work hard, take care of yourself, being competent is never bad, life is hard...don't make decisions that make it harder, take responsibility. And if that doesn't work...try again. No one owes you anything.
 
I'm telling the truth. Let them starve if they're too lazy to support themselves.

Are you saying that to their face every Sunday or Wednesday night, and leading them down a better path? Or are you hoping they stumble across your voluminous posts on niche firearms forums and achieve self-enlightenment?
 
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Are you saying that to their face every Sunday or Wednesday night, and leading them down a better path? Or are you hoping they stumble across your voluminous posts on niche firearms forums and achieve self-enlightenment?
Odd. I've not seen many single moms in church. Maybe it's just where I live.
 
Odd. I've not seen many single moms in church. Maybe it's just where I live.

Really? Not a single family in your whole church that hasn't been affected by divorce or death or just one parent being a total fuckwit? Damn, share some of that with the rest of us.
 
Get rid of the blatant democrat vote cheating and you will end up with a veto proof majority in both chambers of congress.
One disagreement here sir. There are no democrats...they are marxists...that's what people should call them. NOT democrats. Democrats is too old-school and friendly. If they (marxists) can call "us" Nazi's then I refuse to call them other than marxists.

But the most pertinent thing is just how do we clean up the cheating? THAT is the question the Republic lays upon now. How? I mean, the obvious is obvious; but how, within the confines of COTUS and written law does one take down a system that's built itself a foolproof system?
 
I understand where you are coming from and I respect that. Sorry if I sounded defensive; folks on this forum have been treating me as a pink haired sociology major because I am pro student loan relief.
Where does personal responsibility come into play?
 
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So you admit the ideology and performance is intrinsically evil?

The only thing admitted to in this thread is that you're primarily interested in being a political cuck who philosophically bitches about problems instead of attempting to fix them. Thankfully there are lurkers who are actually interested in addressing real-world issues.
 
The only thing admitted to in this thread is that you're primarily interested in being a political cuck who philosophically bitches about problems instead of attempting to fix them. Thankfully there are lurkers who are actually interested in addressing real-world issues.
4 boxes to fix the county.
Soapbox- pointing out problems and trying to get people to see it.
Jury box
Ballot box
Cartridge box.
 
4 boxes to fix the county.
Soapbox- pointing out problems and trying to get people to see it.
Jury box
Ballot box
Cartridge box.
How are those working?