Yes. +25˚ to 27˚ F down in Price. I don’t recall what it was exactly up in the mountains, but it was pretty chilly.
Nothing like Russia though.
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Yes, outside of Price at probably the best range facility in the US.
Is that the upper that shot really well, but didn’t like M193 due to having a shorter chamber meant for secant ogive bullets?
Day 1 was mostly at the 1000yd and 600yd flat ranges. Day 2 was all in field conditions where I’m pretty sure he switched to boots.
Also @BurtG, don’t trust just the number on the side of the motor oil bottle. I watched a -40°F pour test on a number of motor oils and the cheap Walmart oil was worse than molasses, and even higher end oils were significantly worse than mobile one.
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@LRRPF52 has some experience in cold weather military stuff.
Finally, this thread has some good info as well (whoops, already linked to it above, oh well):
Freezing rifle test - Garand Thumb
I wasn't expecting much. But I must admit the brands/ types I thought would do well did not! I found this really enlightening.www.snipershide.com
Mobil 1 is the best all around gun lube you can buy
What you do on your own time is your own business, bub.
Lol ok sorry for the dumb joke. It was just too easy!
And I agree with the poster above me…cleaner oil = better. Obv.
How I came to use Mobil One:
After a lot of fucking reading it became apparent that lots of people that seemed to know what they were talking about mostly all agreed that most gun lubes were repackaged industrial lube, one of which is motor oil. Which has a ton of research behind it.
And it’s cheap. Mobil One was mentioned a lot, and it seemed to do well in pour tests. (Which may not have anything to do with anything, but hey)
I cannot say they are right or wrong. But I like the story, and the story makes my capitalistic ironic spider-sense tingle.
Motor oil operates in a seemingly way harsher environment then most firearms do. I believe that it is formulated to remove/resist/clean? carbon.
So there you have it. Gun oil and grease are primarily made of backstory.
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Also I think this is the real stuff the mil used (maybe still uses?). Some form of Castrol:
Who knows what was added/removed from motor oil to create this?
Who knows what was added/removed from motor oil to create this?
Wasn't there some company that was basically selling Crisco as a gun lube and they got busted on that?
Either way, I don't buy into all the gun industry doing any kind of research on their own lubes. You have the major oil companies spending millions and millions of dollars on R&D on lubricants that stand up to way more abuse than a gun cycling. I personally use ATF in a small needle bottle applied to the high friction areas and it's a very very little amount. I have had the same 2 oz bottle for 10 years and there is still over half full of ATF in it. If you took the bolt out of my rifles they would almost feel dry. I hate it when I pick up a gun and there is just oil everywhere.
Either way, I don't buy into all the gun industry doing any kind of research on their own lubes. You have the major oil companies spending millions and millions of dollars on R&D on lubricants that stand up to way more abuse than a gun cycling. I personally use ATF in a small needle bottle applied to the high friction areas and it's a very very little amount. I have had the same 2 oz bottle for 10 years and there is still over half full of ATF in it. If you took the bolt out of my rifles they would almost feel dry. I hate it when I pick up a gun and there is just oil everywhere.
Indeed it was. It was a Douglas barrel chambered by compass lake and it shot the big ones (77 or 69) really well but was awful with 55. Good memory.
I should have kept that upper. It was awesome. But someone make me a ridiculous offer for it a few years later.
I’ve moved on to bigger and better things. Like AI
If you think your engine takes a beating, imagine a part that doesn’t get its oil changed for 100,000 miles. Lots of moving metal parts in that tranny.
ATF for the win
That and trans fluid has the most amounts of detergents in it for automotive applications.
Frog lube is coconut oil.
FrogLube is Probably Made From Coconut Oil (Not Frogs) -
Last month Andrew Tuohy published a blog post comparing FrogLube with two other lubricants TrackLube+ (a rollercoaster lubricant) and Seal1, another gun lube. He commissioned a infrared spectroscopy analysis of the three lubes and found they were virtually identical chemically, despite being...
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Slide-Glide Firearm, Pistol, Rifle & Overall Lubricant
Slide-Glide firearm lubricant is now in resealable Tubes - for Pistols, Revolvers, Rifles, 22's, and Shotguns - it will outperform your favorite gun lube.
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Been using this one for years now on all my firearms. And only apply once, very little of it. Runs your bolt or pistol slide like butter. But for some reason, I don’t know why they sell it in little tubes now. Last time I went on this site, was 6 years ago. And they use to sell them in 2 oz containers. Oh well, don’t need too much when applying.
Transmissions don't see any carbon build up though, is the consensus that it's superior to Mobil-1 in that regard or just generally superior?
PS - I've had really good luck with Fire Clean in all my rifles, especially the suppressed, DI M4/AR15 platforms. You guys saying I'll have better luck with either Mobil-1 or ATF accross the board? Because I have gallons of both lying around the garage. I maintain all my vehicles at home so it's always in abundant supply.
Lubricating on the bottom of engine where the oil runs don’t see much carbon. The top end does, pistons chambers etc. Transmissions have metal holding together and spinning at hefty rates. Heat in a tranny is close to 200*.
Motor oil I think holds up better to being washed with fuel, from cylinder leakage. But motor oil is changed often, 3000. Tranny oil is WAY longer, and most trannies that I’ve rebuilt the oil wasn’t the issue. It was clutch slippage (horsepower related).
In my opinion ATF does well in cold or hot and doesn’t attract as much dirt as motor.
It’s handy when you already have the lubricant on “hand” 
“Flavor” lol
Thanks. Appreciate the insight.
I’ve always used gun-oil products but there’s no question the automotive industry has done way more development on their lubricants than the gun industry ever will.
I use fuel injector cleaner (Sea Foam) for cleaning barrels/bolts etc… might as well try automotive lubricants as well LOL. Gun care products are not magic and likely just relabeled automotive chemicals anyway. And they’re a huge rip-off when you look at cost/unit volume. Auto stuff is way cheaper and does exactly the same thing.
You shush your mouth.Glad we could con another person into the cult
You guys and all your fancy Nightforce’s about to make me make the leap into the dark side complete
I mean if the dark side worries you so much, they've also got you covered with a 'not-so-dark side'.
ETA, sorry about the MRAD, I was too lazy to find a more suitable pic.
ETA, sorry about the MRAD, I was too lazy to find a more suitable pic.
Brother. Nightforce? Gross
We rocking ZCO, Schmidt, and the all mighty Tangent dawg.
Brother. Nightforce? Gross
We rocking ZCO, Schmidt, and the all mighty Tangent dawg.
Poor is a mind set, there's a few TT's going for cheap in the PX. @NoLegs24 may still have some for sale too man. You owe it to yourself to get one
If I did that, one of y’all would have to adopt me when I get thrown out the dang house.Poor is a mind set, there's a few TT's going for cheap in the PX. @NoLegs24 may still have some for sale too man. You owe it to yourself to get one
I’m too poor to buy cheap stuff
in a nutshell.
for mobil 1, there isn't anything that comes remotely close at that pricepoint and let's be honest, if you're running around with your AR in -50 degrees, I'm pretty sure you know to leave it outside overnight and to apply little to no lube (though some countries recommend lots of lube). either way, mobil 1 destroys the competition imho
Don’t forget Hensoldt!Brother. Nightforce? Gross
We rocking ZCO, Schmidt, and the all mighty Tangent dawg.
Looks like Husky and Krob are NF haters.. can I add anyone else?
Bingo! I live just down the road from Ft Greely, and deal with the glory of Alaska winter. Honestly for winter lube a very thin film of whatever —-works. I have used every brand listed and more, with no issues. My duty issued Colt M4 has not had any issues—- it’s in/out my vehicle often. Agency policy is hot standby in the in the rack. I wait as long as possible letting rifle and mag cold soak before loading hot. Little experience and not overthinking.
During one of my Winter DM Courses, one of my good friends brought a Noveske AR-15. It was very cold, lots of snow and ice all over.
He started having malfunctions with it, so I checked it out, felt like he poured fine sand all over inside the action.
Me: “I put out to show up with a well-lubed rifle. This thing has sand all inside it."
Him: “I did lube it thoroughly!"
Me: “With what?"
Him: “Frog lube."
There wasn’t any sand in sight for miles, but it felt like moon dust inside the action. Whatever Frog Lube is made of, it crystalized and granulated into a fine particulate coating that made a normally-slick Noveske AR-15 run like a parts bin poverty pony dipped in cement.
I had heard all kinds of advertising about Frog Lube, but put it on my “avoid like plague" list after that.
Wasn’t a problem for me, since I was using Slip2000.
I have used Slip2000k down to about -10 never an issue. Good low temp oil but runs just as well when it’s 90 plus out!
I tried frog lube for my Benelli duck gun since it was supposed to be the best for corrosion resistance. It did very well at gumming everything up and causing grief in the cold. I still use it like cosmoline for long term storage.
I think most people way over lube ARs. If you look at the wear marks on the bolt it basically tells you were it needs lube. Seen too many bolts and bolt carriers caked in lube and powder from over lubing.
Yea typically I make it a habit to avoid anything with frog, delta, tactical, seal, etc. The more low key the name is I've found it to be better.
Slip2000 is my go to oil and only reason I'll try lucas oil gun oil is because I was given it and I've never used anything bad from Lucas oil.
Same with shooters choice all purpose grease.
