Is something going on in Ukraine?

[pineoak]

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I am ready should one arise locally to join a peace protest, protesting war in parts of the world that do not directly threaten us

The "leaders" of the western world are determined to attack Russia and provoke China and do everything possible to send young sons and people to their deaths

We have troops already positioned in Poland for ground war with Russia

Is it for enrichment of their bank accounts? Is it because they are sociopaths that don't care if people's kids die as long as they get more power?

Once NATO forces go toe to toe with Russia, it will of course escalate and end up becoming large scale

The United States cannot afford to fight a war on Russia's doorstep, I actually think we'd lose given that we'd have to transport every bullet, every soldier, every piece of equipment overseas; our NATO allies have nothing in their armories left

Even worse, once we are fully engaged with Russia, early April will be when China may decide to invade Taiwan which would then result in us fighting a second war... on China's doorstep

Then we would have two theaters of war to contend with simultaneously with the number two and number three near peer military powers in the world

With less than half a million active duty in US Armed Forces, we would be stretched awfully thin in a very short amount of time

Logistically speaking, we would fail in short order

The Russians fight methodically and slowly grinding away, they use a war of attrition as they have for decades

The United States cannot afford to fight that kind of war or fight against that kind of opponents, if we lose a single aircraft carrier to china with 4000+ soldiers in one day we will lose the momentum and support of the American people, as a country, we simply will not except huge losses

I see us going toward a dead end of our own choosing, I don't see China or Russia enticing us or in trapping us into this

I see us pushing our way into a dead end

Until the western and American people start to wake up and demand our "leaders" stop pushing, I fear best case scenario is huge loss of life around the world, including Americans

(we're struggling enough with recruiting now, can you imagine how difficult it would be to recruit for a volunteer army immediately after losing huge numbers in an unnecessary and unpopular war?)- we would be left even more vulnerable after, we always need to think about not just exit strategy from a conflict, but how will we rebuild and what condition will we be in after should another threat arise before we can fully rebuild

Worst case scenario, global nuclear war.

Logically speaking, there is nothing to be gained by moving forward down the path we're on unless you are desperately trying to hold onto American hegemony and want to continue to dominate the world

For average Americans, we don't want need or appreciate this

We want a strong military to protect us, but American interests are not met by going toe to toe with Russia

I hope that you will think about this and consider what you can do earlier now today to help stop and slow this

because in the end… We are going to regret it like Vietnam

The painful part of watching history unfold, is knowing that it's just going to repeat itself

The fear is that it's going to repeat itself with a big bang ending this time

 

[madppcs]

'We Found No Misuse Of US Funds In Ukraine', US Treasury Says (With Straight Face)​

U.S. funds not misused in Ukraine, U.S. Treasury says amid corruption crackdown

The U.S. Treasury Department on Tuesday said it had no indication that U.S. funds had been misused in Ukraine, but would continue to work closely with Ukrainian authorities to ensure appropriate safeguards were in place to avert corruption.

www.reuters.com

Welded spring steel plate wonder how much Pentagon paid for this particular model
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If the actual intended use was money laundering, then there was no misuse. It went exactly where it was intended

 

[Darayavaus]

Not a war crime, if you eat what you kill??????

MSN

this was posted on youtube at the time; since then it has been taken down.... probably after he found out he ate his own tribe. but Sputnik remembers.

Hitting a New Low: Ukrainian Man Posts Video Boasting of 'Eating Russian Soldier's Meat'

The identity of the person behind the video is unknown, as the disturbing footage was his only clip on YouTube - still, this fact does not make the video any less chilling.

sputniknews.com

 

[Sako man]

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I am ready should one arise locally to join a peace protest, protesting war in parts of the world that do not directly threaten us

The "leaders" of the western world are determined to attack Russia and provoke China and do everything possible to send young sons and people to their deaths

We have troops already positioned in Poland for ground war with Russia

Is it for enrichment of their bank accounts? Is it because they are sociopaths that don't care if people's kids die as long as they get more power?

Once NATO forces go toe to toe with Russia, it will of course escalate and end up becoming large scale

The United States cannot afford to fight a war on Russia's doorstep, I actually think we'd lose given that we'd have to transport every bullet, every soldier, every piece of equipment overseas; our NATO allies have nothing in their armories left

Even worse, once we are fully engaged with Russia, early April will be when China may decide to invade Taiwan which would then result in us fighting a second war... on China's doorstep

Then we would have two theaters of war to contend with simultaneously with the number two and number three near peer military powers in the world

With less than half a million active duty in US Armed Forces, we would be stretched awfully thin in a very short amount of time

Logistically speaking, we would fail in short order

The Russians fight methodically and slowly grinding away, they use a war of attrition as they have for decades

The United States cannot afford to fight that kind of war or fight against that kind of opponents, if we lose a single aircraft carrier to china with 4000+ soldiers in one day we will lose the momentum and support of the American people, as a country, we simply will not except huge losses

I see us going toward a dead end of our own choosing, I don't see China or Russia enticing us or in trapping us into this

I see us pushing our way into a dead end

Until the western and American people start to wake up and demand our "leaders" stop pushing, I fear best case scenario is huge loss of life around the world, including Americans

(we're struggling enough with recruiting now, can you imagine how difficult it would be to recruit for a volunteer army immediately after losing huge numbers in an unnecessary and unpopular war?)- we would be left even more vulnerable after, we always need to think about not just exit strategy from a conflict, but how will we rebuild and what condition will we be in after should another threat arise before we can fully rebuild

Worst case scenario, global nuclear war.

Logically speaking, there is nothing to be gained by moving forward down the path we're on unless you are desperately trying to hold onto American hegemony and want to continue to dominate the world

For average Americans, we don't want need or appreciate this

We want a strong military to protect us, but American interests are not met by going toe to toe with Russia

I hope that you will think about this and consider what you can do earlier now today to help stop and slow this

because in the end… We are going to regret it like Vietnam

The painful part of watching history unfold, is knowing that it's just going to repeat itself

The fear is that it's going to repeat itself with a big bang ending this time

As long as you keep in mind the people in charge have kids that behave like Caligula, then it all makes sense.

The big surprise is the conservative movement is the populous crossection that is generally more aware, and now anti war.

 

[Darayavaus]

As long as you keep in mind the people in charge have kids that behave like Caligula, then it all makes sense.

The big surprise is the conservative movement is the populous crossection that is generslly more aware, and now anti war.

conservatives have been isolationists, traditionally. it's the neocons and other leftists who have the Trotsky mentality.

 

[brianf]

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I am ready should one arise locally to join a peace protest, protesting war in parts of the world that do not directly threaten us

The "leaders" of the western world are determined to attack Russia and provoke China and do everything possible to send young sons and people to their deaths

......

all joking aside i think you 80% wrong on the russia war part

correct that out current politicians are war mongers


its true that we have to ship all materials across the atlantic, but thats why we are staging troops and equipment there already

if a land war with russia was going to happen it would have been provoked by russia in the last 6 months

every day russia "waits" the US gets more intel, more equipment over seas and russia losses men and equipment

russia is 50/50 with a untrained, poor logistics non combat tested ukranian army with zero air support

the US would walk to moscow in 2 months if not less, the 1st armored division would go through them like a hot knife through butter

and that is if we even put armor on the ground and not just destroy the entire military via air force, right now russia is staging out of reach of ukranian weapons because we wont give them longer range weapons...and russia is still unable to push forward

day one hour one we'd park 200 tomahawks on anything useful in occupied ukraine

no one is using nukes, as long as russia doesnt lose "mother russian" soil nukes are off the table

if the ukranians take 50 miles of historic russia then it gets serious, but they wont and no one will let them

nukes need a world wide response and putin knows he be dead or brought up on war crimes at the end of it

china is watching what is happening, but they also know that if we get rolling they have to watch out

our military industrial base has had almost a year of ramping up, as well as a year of reverse engineering russias best equipment that china also uses

latest war games with china show that landing troops on Taiwan would be a disaster for the US, so the consensus is if china takes Taiwan the blue water navy just blockades the western pacific from china and they get starved out.

my gut says the longer this goes on the less likely large scale combat between russia and US will be



edit. Mistake caught by someone below

 

[Darayavaus]

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I am ready should one arise locally to join a peace protest, protesting war in parts of the world that do not directly threaten us

The "leaders" of the western world are determined to attack Russia and provoke China and do everything possible to send young sons and people to their deaths

We have troops already positioned in Poland for ground war with Russia

Is it for enrichment of their bank accounts? Is it because they are sociopaths that don't care if people's kids die as long as they get more power?

Once NATO forces go toe to toe with Russia, it will of course escalate and end up becoming large scale

The United States cannot afford to fight a war on Russia's doorstep, I actually think we'd lose given that we'd have to transport every bullet, every soldier, every piece of equipment overseas; our NATO allies have nothing in their armories left

Even worse, once we are fully engaged with Russia, early April will be when China may decide to invade Taiwan which would then result in us fighting a second war... on China's doorstep

Then we would have two theaters of war to contend with simultaneously with the number two and number three near peer military powers in the world

With less than half a million active duty in US Armed Forces, we would be stretched awfully thin in a very short amount of time

Logistically speaking, we would fail in short order

The Russians fight methodically and slowly grinding away, they use a war of attrition as they have for decades

The United States cannot afford to fight that kind of war or fight against that kind of opponents, if we lose a single aircraft carrier to china with 4000+ soldiers in one day we will lose the momentum and support of the American people, as a country, we simply will not except huge losses

I see us going toward a dead end of our own choosing, I don't see China or Russia enticing us or in trapping us into this

I see us pushing our way into a dead end

Until the western and American people start to wake up and demand our "leaders" stop pushing, I fear best case scenario is huge loss of life around the world, including Americans

(we're struggling enough with recruiting now, can you imagine how difficult it would be to recruit for a volunteer army immediately after losing huge numbers in an unnecessary and unpopular war?)- we would be left even more vulnerable after, we always need to think about not just exit strategy from a conflict, but how will we rebuild and what condition will we be in after should another threat arise before we can fully rebuild

Worst case scenario, global nuclear war.

Logically speaking, there is nothing to be gained by moving forward down the path we're on unless you are desperately trying to hold onto American hegemony and want to continue to dominate the world

For average Americans, we don't want need or appreciate this

We want a strong military to protect us, but American interests are not met by going toe to toe with Russia

I hope that you will think about this and consider what you can do earlier now today to help stop and slow this

because in the end… We are going to regret it like Vietnam

The painful part of watching history unfold, is knowing that it's just going to repeat itself

The fear is that it's going to repeat itself with a big bang ending this time

Russia wouldn't stand a chance conventionally, which is exactly why we are acting like a 12 year old bully intimidating and then beating up a 3rd grader. the NWO politicians who rule us, and the neocons and other assorted asshats who support them want to threaten Russia's very existence in a way that leaves them no choice but to act, so the media can point the finger at Russia, and all the clowns who believe the propaganda can say "derp....Russia did it!" But it wont matter much if and when the nukes start to fly.

I guess it's important for them to virtue signal in that way, rather than just admitting the truth. There's no point in arguing with them; they are deranged, but they are also so far up on their soapbox that they'll never hear you. Other obnoxious, malicious conquerors were the same way throughout history, justifying their own evil while blaming the victims. "To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace."

We just never thought that it would come full circle to where we would be the bad guys, since most of us grew up with the notion of being the White Hats against the Nazis and Evil Empire. But here we are, shitting on our own citizens while sending our national wealth to malicious enemies, and our kids off like Janissaries to do the will of Soros, the WEF, and BlackRock among others......and why?....idk. preparing the way for the antiChrist, I suppose. These globalists are satanists, so they probably are doing it will full knowledge and intent.

 

[lariat]

latest war games with china show that landing troops on Taiwan would be a disaster for the US, so the consensus is if china takes Taiwan the blue water navy just blockades the western pacific from china and they get starved out.

I don't think that this is correct. They have made serious in-roads for land-based shipping and can use neighboring ports as launching points as well as just driving trade via the New Silk Road, into Russia directly and other routes, including cargo flights. The US blockading China will only hurt the US. Don't forget the BRICS+ is steadily coming online, and those alliances are there for a reason - the US is becoming very untrusted on the world stage. It is reported that NordStream was blown up by actors who acted in US interests. Europe hears this as well; do you think they will be allied with the US if we try to blockade trade and shit on their economy further? Nope.

 

[brianf]

I don't think that this is correct. They have made serious in-roads for land-based shipping and can use neighboring ports as launching points as well as just driving trade via the New Silk Road, into Russia directly and other routes, including cargo flights. The US blockading China will only hurt the US. Don't forget the BRICS+ is steadily coming online, and those alliances are there for a reason - the US is becoming very untrusted on the world stage. It is reported that NordStream was blown up by actors who acted in US interests. Europe hears this as well; do you think they will be allied with the US if we try to blockade trade and shit on their economy further? Nope.

50% of the worlds economy goes through taiwan, no one but china wants china to have control

give the world a choice between US and china really gong at it or a blockade...they will all vote for blockade

blockade means that the chinese economy craps out, we both go at it and the entire worlds economy is decimated, with no big brother to bring it back to life

as much as the world hates us (it always has), guess whos giving weapons to ukraine...all the countries that hate us in Europe (the rest dont count anyway as they will never and have never helped us)

we park 2 carriers off vietnam and are going at it with china air power, the vietnam navy is not getting involved

 

[GreenGO Juan]

China is not moving on Taiwan militarily, they will make the shift politically.

Edit- Taiwan is to China what Ukraine is to the West. Taiwan is to the US what Ukraine is to Russia.

2nd Edit- If China makes the shift politically, look for the US to find a reason to go militarily... Will China double down at that point.

 

[Californio]

Only after TSMC has their chip plants up and running in Arizona.

 

[babyguppy]

what is the US prepared to lose? Me personally, give Taiwan a few nukes and save the USA trillions of dollars and American lives
China is going to keep getting stronger as they steal more of our Military Tech. China is able to use their Trillion dollars to build their weapons; while we had to use a Trillion to develop the weapon.
China will come on line with Hypersonic missiles and that won't help the US any.

The Scary War Game Over Taiwan That the U.S. Loses to China Again and Again

Around a large table with a map and icons representing ships, submarines, planes, missile batteries, land-based forces, space-based sensors, and other apparatuses of modern warfare, officials from the Pentagon and the Rand Corp. fight a thus far unimaginable conflict. The Red Team, composed of...

nationalinterest.org

The Blue Team, made up U.S. military personnel with operational experience — fighter pilots, cyber warriors, space experts, missile defense specialists – must try to defeat the Chinese invasion.
...It doesn't generally go well for the Blue Team.

“It's had its ass handed to it for years,” David A. Ochmanek, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for force development and now a defense analyst at Rand, told RealClearInvestigations. “For years the Blue Team has been in shock because they didn't realize how badly off they were in a confrontation with China.”

 

[theLBC]

Russia-Ukraine war: How the US paved the way to Moscow's invasion

Nearly a year after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the western narrative of an ‘unprovoked’ attack has become impossible to sustain

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Lightning8]

all joking aside i think you 80% wrong on the russia war part

correct that out current politicians are war mongers


its true that we have to ship all materials across the atlantic, but thats why we are staging troops and equipment there already

if a land war with russia was going to happen it would have been provoked by russia in the last 6 months

every day russia "waits" the US gets more intel, more equipment over seas and russia losses men and equipment

russia is 50/50 with a untrained, poor logistics non combat tested ukranian army with zero air support

the US would walk to moscow in 2 months if not less, the 4th armored division would go through them like a hot knife through butter

and that is if we even put armor on the ground and not just destroy the entire military via air force, right now russia is staging out of reach of ukranian weapons because we wont give them longer range weapons...and russia is still unable to push forward

day one hour one we'd park 200 tomahawks on anything useful in occupied ukraine

no one is using nukes, as long as russia doesnt lose "mother russian" soil nukes are off the table

if the ukranians take 50 miles of historic russia then it gets serious, but they wont and no one will let them

nukes need a world wide response and putin knows he be dead or brought up on war crimes at the end of it

china is watching what is happening, but they also know that if we get rolling they have to watch out

our military industrial base has had almost a year of ramping up, as well as a year of reverse engineering russias best equipment that china also uses

latest war games with china show that landing troops on Taiwan would be a disaster for the US, so the consensus is if china takes Taiwan the blue water navy just blockades the western pacific from china and they get starved out.

my gut says the longer this goes on the less likely large scale combat between russia and US will be

Have you served in a US Army Heavy Division in a Combat Arms role? Maybe you are a War College grad? SAMS? Tell me about 4th Armored again (may want to research that one some more).

 

[babyguppy]

US should have a few of these on stand by

A 747 Full Of Cruise Missiles​

a ship capable of carrying between 50 and 100 air-launched cruise missiles (ALCMs).
Add to it a few MOABs; and the new ballistic missiles that can be launched from the air

 

[Darayavaus]

'We Found No Misuse Of US Funds In Ukraine', US Treasury Says (With Straight Face)​

U.S. funds not misused in Ukraine, U.S. Treasury says amid corruption crackdown

The U.S. Treasury Department on Tuesday said it had no indication that U.S. funds had been misused in Ukraine, but would continue to work closely with Ukrainian authorities to ensure appropriate safeguards were in place to avert corruption.

www.reuters.com

I thought it was going to be a Babylon Bee article.

but nope, "real news"

 

[Sako man]

what is the US prepared to lose? Me personally, give Taiwan a few nukes and save the USA trillions of dollars and American lives
China is going to keep getting stronger as they steal more of our Military Tech. China is able to use their Trillion dollars to build their weapons; while we had to use a Trillion to develop the weapon.
China will come on line with Hypersonic missiles and that won't help the US any.

The Scary War Game Over Taiwan That the U.S. Loses to China Again and Again

Around a large table with a map and icons representing ships, submarines, planes, missile batteries, land-based forces, space-based sensors, and other apparatuses of modern warfare, officials from the Pentagon and the Rand Corp. fight a thus far unimaginable conflict. The Red Team, composed of...

nationalinterest.org

The Blue Team, made up U.S. military personnel with operational experience — fighter pilots, cyber warriors, space experts, missile defense specialists – must try to defeat the Chinese invasion.
...It doesn't generally go well for the Blue Team.

“It's had its ass handed to it for years,” David A. Ochmanek, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for force development and now a defense analyst at Rand, told RealClearInvestigations. “For years the Blue Team has been in shock because they didn't realize how badly off they were in a confrontation with China.”

Taiwan is a valuable ally, they produce complex electronics for us and in general are a much better trade partner than Beijing. As well they do have a democracy much closer to that of Japan where by the population has some say, also they operate by the rule of law with a functioning judicial system, it's pretty much everything China is not. It would be a tragedy if China was to steam roll them, or take them through political means. It would be worse than Hong Kong which is now a shell of it's former self.

Taiwan is way more worthy of our efforts than Ukraine, and instead of keeping our powder dry we fuck it all up by going after Russia, who is now out of survival cozying closer to Mainland China, and getting stronger. Ukraines only value to the west is in it's ability to hide and launder our tax dollars. 2023 is gonna be fucked up as it's all a massive shit show.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Taiwan is way more worthy of our efforts than Ukraine

yep we have a lot of investment in Taiwan... We should not let that go.

Kinda like how Ukraine used to build a lot of things for and worked with Russia, hell most of the Infrastructure in Ukraine that is getting destroyed, was built by the Soviet Union.

 

[pineoak]

From RT (Russian gov source)

Good read. Exceptionally good propaganda making use of truth

'This conflict will fundamentally change Russia': A young Muscovite explains why he volunteered to fight Ukraine

RT spoke with a volunteer who quit a Moscow IT company to become a drone operator in Donbass

www.rt.com

 

[brianf]

Have you served in a US Army Heavy Division in a Combat Arms role? Maybe you are a War College grad? SAMS? Tell me about 4th Armored again (may want to research that one some more).

Shit just noticed I put 4th..that was 80 years ago.

Meant 1st

Thanks for the catch

Actually the 4th would have a chance as the Russians are prob pulling t55’s out of mothballs soon lol

 

[RUTGERS95]

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media is the problem, not the scumbags that take advantage of it. The media has let down the American people

 

[GreenGO Juan]

correct that out current politicians are war mongers

I think I remember a back in forth with you who claimed we should supply Ukraine weapons to bleed the Russians.

I am trying to figure out how that is not war mongering

The titanic sunk in deep water, it was cold.

I just saved a bunch by switching to Gieco.

I like fried Chicken

Water melon is good too.

Did I leave the gas on???

 

[RUTGERS95]

we all need to say not to war

 

[brianf]

I think I remember a back in forth with you who claimed we should supply Ukraine weapons to bleed the Russians.

I am trying to figure out how that is not war mongering

The titanic sunk in deep water, it was cold.

I just saved a bunch by switching to Gieco.

I like fried Chicken

Water melon is good too.

Did I leave the gas on???

i still think we should bleed the Russians dry and use other peoples blood to do it if need be

there will come a time that we lock horns and when it happens i want them to be as weak as possible

i didnt say Russia should invade, i didnt say Ukraine should not fight back..i am saying id rather Ukraine "win" compared to Russia

especially if it doesnt cost american lives

 

[pineoak]

It's not just bleeding them dry, it's bleeding us dry in terms of equipment and money

The United States is paying the lion's share of Ukraine's war budget

Poland has been on a binge buying weapons and equipment but generally speaking, NATO is pretty light on equipment right now given that everything's been thrown at the first two armies that Ukraine fielded that Russia crushed

As they're trying to build a third army to either stop from being steam rolled by Russia's spring offensive, ora futile attempt at an offensive against the Russian positions

Ukraine is running out of warm bodies and will soon have to be supplemented by NATO countries soldiers

We're using up a lot of equipment that will take years to replace. Yes it is obsolete and older stuff that we're giving them, but we might need those if we were to fight our own war against Russia

Because Russia has their own resources although they don't have access to a lot of the high-tech weaponry, they can produce artillery shells, tanks, Soviet era stuff really easily and they're doing it now in huge quantities

Quantity is its own quality

I fear that if we fully engage in a NATO versus Russia in war on the remains of what is left of Ukraine (Western half)

We could end up in a situation where Poland and Belarus are fully drawn into the conflict and you end up with a lot of lives lost on both sides including heavy losses to NATO forces

I don't believe any of the western NATO countries really have much in the way of Armed Forces now, much less equipment as they've given so much of it to Ukraine with the promise of new or better stuff to replace it

Who is going to be paying for that? The United States

I feel like we are putting trillions on the credit card... when we don't have the money to pay for our current credit debts now

What happens when the dollar is knocked off the pedestal, NATO is fully engaged with Russia in a land battle halfway around the world, and China decides to invade Taiwan?

Our army will be fully engaged with Russia, our navy will be fully engaged with China

Logistically speaking, we will be stretched so thin, all either side hast to do is blockade or otherwise and trench and wait for us to time out

We would be fighting at Russia's backyard, we will be fighting literally off the shore of China like 110 miles

Theoretically we could use economic means to choke off China, but we've seen how well those have worked against EU, in fact they have backfired on the European Union

I truly believe we need to stop this now because if NATO in cages it's just gonna get bigger, it's going to get stupider, and when the west is desperate enough we're going to use the nukes first

False flag or battlefield desperation, who the sociopaths pushing for war?

It's not as simple as having someone to go in and having them do the dirty work

We absolutely will get dirty, we absolutely will pay a price in blood treasure and ultimately world standing

Assuming we all don't get blown apart by global thermonuclear war

 

[Lightning8]

 

[Lightning8]

Tell me again what NATO can do or will do? Most of NATO forces are not "Combat Arms" but "Combat Support" or organized for Peace Keeping, Disaster Relief, and anything but fighting.

 

[pineoak]

I heard something from somewhere that said that NATO stopped acting as a protector for European countries, and overtime has come to depend on the United States as their protector, and essentially have moved into a supportive role of the United States as the primary combatant

Apologies for not having a source

 

[pineoak]

Shit, it was probably infographics...

 

[theLBC]

i still think we should bleed the Russians dry and use other peoples blood to do it if need be

there will come a time that we lock horns and when it happens i want them to be as weak as possible

i didnt say Russia should invade, i didnt say Ukraine should not fight back..i am saying id rather Ukraine "win" compared to Russia

especially if it doesnt cost american lives

there is no reason we should ever lock horns with russia. they have an economy smaller than texas.
i consider them a threat in the same realm as white supremacist terrorism.

 

[pineoak]

A panicked Empire tries to make Russia an ‘offer it can’t refuse’ | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

Wishful thinking, but still possible:

The War and the Future | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

 

[brianf]

I heard something from somewhere that said that NATO stopped acting as a protector for European countries, and overtime has come to depend on the United States as their protector, and essentially have moved into a supportive role of the United States as the primary combatant

Apologies for not having a source

It’s true

Non of the nato countries ever met the spending or readiness percentages required by nato doctrine.

One example, I think a 2017 (in the teens) report from German military, they had zero transport aircraft in ready status. All were grounded for disrepair or parts.

Edit..auto correct

 

[theLBC]

It’s true

Non of the nato countries ever met the spending or readiness percentages required by nato doctrine.

One example, I think a 2017 (in the teens) report from German military, they had zero transport aircraft in ready status. All were grounded for disrepair or parts.

Edit..auto correct

they can't pay for socialist programs, housing and food for tens of millions of migrants AND pay for their own defense.

 

[LRRPF52]

Russia-Ukraine war: How the US paved the way to Moscow's invasion

Nearly a year after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the western narrative of an ‘unprovoked’ attack has become impossible to sustain

www.middleeasteye.net

Still parroting this Russian propaganda I see.

Putin had his puppet, Yanukovych, in Kiev. Ukrainian people wanted Ukraine to trade more in Euros, not worthless rubles.

Putin was pilfering Ukraine with his boyars like the head of Burisma, funneling revenue from Ukrainian energy into Russian coffers. That’s why Burisma was under investigation.

As soon as Yanukovych was ousted in March of 2014, Putin ordered his Night Wolves neonazi motorcycle gang and Wagner mercenaries to start killing people in Donbas.

Guess when Hunter Biden got put on the board of directors for Burisma? May, 2014.

Then Vice President Biden came in and told them they have to fire the prosecutor, Viktor Sokin, who was investigating Burisma’s pilfering of Ukrainian money into Russia.

Biden has been on Soviet payroll since 1972, a mole traitor working for the Russians, then later the Chinese.

The idea that NATO somehow paved the way for all of this is the work of retarded Russian propagandists, who really have lost their edge in that space, but seem to do well still with the really gullible and ignorant.

 

[LRRPF52]

This is a work of fiction, Russia has shown no interest in moving into Western Europe let alone Poland, they have made countless attempts at peace negotiations going back 20 years. NATO and the US have been the aggressors for years now, it's amazing how the media has hidden this fact. Russia knows there would be no way to march into Germany with the extensive air cover the other countries sport. Every seasoned non MSM advisor, and think-tank has said as much, at this point it is obvious that Russia will try to shore up the Donbass, possibly get all the way to the Dieneper and hold their ground until a pro Russian government is established.

Weird. Guys in the Russian foreign ministry were bragging about how they were taking everything back that was once in the Russian sphere, especially:

Georgia...check
Transistria...check
Dagestan...check
Ukraine....
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Poland
Lithuania
Latvia
Estonia
Finland

Not something I read on the internet, but real people in the Russian Foreign Ministry. The FM told them to shut their mouths about it, so they quieted down. This was in the 2000s. When I was at Erna Raid in Estonia in 2008, they invaded Georgia, using a false flag as pretext once again, just like they did to Finland in 1939.

If this medium was available in 1939, ignoramuses would be talking about how the Finns were part of some scheme threatening Russia with fascists, and how Stalin was just defending Russia from the bankers.

If you’re ignorant about this region, the history, and relevant subject matter, don’t post anything but questions.

 

[LRRPF52]

coming from a self-loathing culture in America that tears down the statues of our founders, spits on the Bible, and permits pedophiles to groom small children against the wishes of the parents, I always do a double take when I see how patriotic, traditional, and culture-centric Russia is


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Russia uses the Russian Orthodox Church as an instrument of the State since Peter the Great crafted it into that in 1721.

Under the Soviets, it became an arm of the ministry of internal security and a vehicle for foreign intelligence as cover for status.

More studying, less posting.

This Russian propaganda is weak, yet strong in the minds of the weak.

 

[Darayavaus]

I see that our resident State Department trolls are back from butt*ucking each other over at arfcom.

 

[Darayavaus]

And some really telling comments have been made which show exactly what kind of vampires the neocons are.

despite how bad Ukraine is, I think it's a travesty that they are being bled dry. I'd rather see their leaders hung up from lampposts and an immediate ceasefire and negotiated settlement.

Those tyrants who are working in conjunction with the evil people running our government are sending off someone's sons and fathers to the slaughter. While they are shopping. And that is monstrous. Anyone who *wants* to kill off a generation of Russians at the expense of a generation of Ukrainians is a psychopath.

And anyone who thinks that ruining our economy by supporting all this bloodshed in order to bleed our rivals dry, in order to enact some neocon Pax Americana policy which is irrelevant to real American citizens is somehow "worth it", is insane.

 

[Sako man]

Weird. Guys in the Russian foreign ministry were bragging about how they were taking everything back that was once in the Russian sphere, especially:

Georgia...check
Transistria...check
Dagestan...check
Ukraine....
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Poland
Lithuania
Latvia
Estonia
Finland

Not something I read on the internet, but real people in the Russian Foreign Ministry. The FM told them to shut their mouths about it, so they quieted down. This was in the 2000s. When I was at Erna Raid in Estonia in 2008, they invaded Georgia, using a false flag as pretext once again, just like they did to Finland in 1939.

If this medium was available in 1939, ignoramuses would be talking about how the Finns were part of some scheme threatening Russia with fascists, and how Stalin was just defending Russia from the bankers.

If you’re ignorant about this region, the history, and relevant subject matter, don’t post anything but questions.

Sounds like you have skin in the game, little biased perhaps? You see, my only point is America should stay the fuck out of others regional disputes, or at least stick to its sphere of influence.

But what's your point? Fact is on this occasion the Russians were baited into this position, there would be no invasion if it were not for US intervention, that is indisputable, unless someone was an "ignoramus." So....trying to conflate Georgia and South Ossetia as some example of Ukraine, or some fictitious ramblings regarding 1939 Finland and pre war internet is absurd. What's almost as absurd is comparing modern Russia with the USSR. Now I get it, the Soviets created a lot of deep seeded and possibly deserved generational hatred, Poland comes to mind, and Russians are paying for the sins of their fathers are they not?

Gee let's play that game, shall we?

Iran...check
Iraq....check
Syria....check
Afghanistan....check
Panama....check
Guatamala....check
South Vietnam....check
Chili....check
Grenada...check

You see, anyone can make a list.

 

[Darayavaus]

Sounds like you have skin in the game, little biased perhaps? You see, my only point is America should stay the fuck out of others regional disputes, or at least stick to its sphere of influence.

But what's your point? Fact is on this occasion the Russians were baited into this position, there would be no invasion if it were not for US intervention, that is indisputable, unless someone was an "ignoramus." So....trying to conflate Georgia and South Ossetia as some example of Ukraine, or some fictitious ramblings regarding 1939 Finland and pre war internet is absurd. What's almost as absurd is comparing modern Russia with the USSR. Now I get it, the Soviets created a lot of deep seeded and possibly deserved generational hatred, Poland comes to mind, and Russians are paying for the sins of their fathers are they not?

Gee let's play that game, shall we?

Iran...check
Iraq....check
Syria....check
Afghanistan....check
Panama....check
Guatamala....check
South Vietnam....check
Chili....check
Grenada...check

You see, anyone can make a list.

he's the autistic guy from last summer who gets himself all ramped up, then wordsalads together these massive, page long posts complete with pictures and diagrams of things that nobody is talking about, sets up strawman arguments that nobody proposed, and then attacks them and does a little victory dance. If I remember correctly, he claimed to be some kind of Finnish Intel officer who knows Putin and all the other major players personally or some such bullshit.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Still parroting this Russian propaganda I see.

Putin had his puppet, Yanukovych, in Kiev. Ukrainian people wanted Ukraine to trade more in Euros, not worthless rubles.

Putin was pilfering Ukraine with his boyars like the head of Burisma, funneling revenue from Ukrainian energy into Russian coffers. That’s why Burisma was under investigation.

As soon as Yanukovych was ousted in March of 2014, Putin ordered his Night Wolves neonazi motorcycle gang and Wagner mercenaries to start killing people in Donbas.

Guess when Hunter Biden got put on the board of directors for Burisma? May, 2014.

Then Vice President Biden came in and told them they have to fire the prosecutor, Viktor Sokin, who was investigating Burisma’s pilfering of Ukrainian money into Russia.

Biden has been on Soviet payroll since 1972, a mole traitor working for the Russians, then later the Chinese.

The idea that NATO somehow paved the way for all of this is the work of retarded Russian propagandists, who really have lost their edge in that space, but seem to do well still with the really gullible and ignorant.

This is contradictory.

Biden was in bed with the Russians? Da Faq are you smoking? You said ask questions.

How much money did Hunter make at Burisma?? What was his experience in the oil and gas industry?

Why would they fire the guy refusing to investigate corruption... just to cut Russia out and commit the same. It just don't make sense.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

i still think we should bleed the Russians dry and use other peoples blood to do it if need be

there will come a time that we lock horns and when it happens i want them to be as weak as possible

i didnt say Russia should invade, i didnt say Ukraine should not fight back..i am saying id rather Ukraine "win" compared to Russia

especially if it doesnt cost american lives

Have you ever been to war? Ever lived in a country ravaged by war?

 

[Sako man]

he's the autistic guy from last summer who gets himself all ramped up, then wordsalads together these massive, page long posts complete with pictures and diagrams of things that nobody is talking about, sets up strawman arguments that nobody proposed, and then attacks them and does a little victory dance. If I remember correctly, he claimed to be some kind of Finnish Intel officer who knows Putin and all the other major players personally or some such bullshit.

Ahhh ok, got it. But you gotta admit it almost all made sense as there was a picture of Putin riding a motorcycle in the post.

 

[sharac]

Some minds are simply astonishing in their ability to twist reality to be able to cope with it.
A lot of people walk this earth without proper diagnosis- sad realy.

 

[Maggot]

To the OP.

NO, theres nothing going on in Ukraine. Its all a fucking lie to steal your tax dollar. In fact Ukraine does not exist. It's all a fucking lie.

 

[Darayavaus]

To the OP.

NO, theres nothing going on in Ukraine. Its all a fucking lie to steal your tax dollar. In fact Ukraine does not exist. It's all a fucking lie.

to be sure, the people who have been stealing elections, incrementally taking your freedom and financial self-determination more and more every year, locking you down, killing your parents with covid, banning your guns, attacking your culture and traditions, hatecriming your religion, outsourcing your jobs, brainwashing your children, and implementing policies which make life virtually unaffordable for many average americans......

......well, they're just telling you the truth here with this Ukraine stuff, and what's more, they're doing it all for you. So love you some Big Brother and get aboard the neocon train. next stop, full Communism.

 

[babyguppy]

Sounds like you have skin in the game, little biased perhaps? You see, my only point is America should stay the fuck out of others regional disputes, or at least stick to its sphere of influence.

But what's your point? Fact is on this occasion the Russians were baited into this position, there would be no invasion if it were not for US intervention, that is indisputable, unless someone was an "ignoramus." So....trying to conflate Georgia and South Ossetia as some example of Ukraine, or some fictitious ramblings regarding 1939 Finland and pre war internet is absurd. What's almost as absurd is comparing modern Russia with the USSR. Now I get it, the Soviets created a lot of deep seeded and possibly deserved generational hatred, Poland comes to mind, and Russians are paying for the sins of their fathers are they not?

Gee let's play that game, shall we?

Iran...check
Iraq....check
Syria....check
Afghanistan....check
Panama....check
Guatamala....check
South Vietnam....check
Chili....check
Grenada...check

You see, anyone can make a list.

you missed Cuba.. oh that's right.. asshole pulled air support or they could of won.

 

[pineoak]

 

[Sako man]

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"Putins Pinkerton bandito Neo Nazi horse gang false flags Donbass" I can see the headlines now.

Such a shame, we only have a icecream eating geriatric pedophile who sits around a parking lot in his corvette.

 

[brianf]

Have you ever been to war? Ever lived in a country ravaged by war?

You don’t have to be in war to care more about your country than so one else’s.

Everyone gets all high and mighty about Ukraine.

There is no choice, you can only chose;

1. Let putin take ukraine
2. Help Ukraine out with money and weapons

Which do you think is better?

Don’t come back with some explanation of what and how you would do it different, you can only choose 1.

If you think it’s better to have Putin take Ukraine, you either lying to yourself of you don’t get it.