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This shits happening on both sides. Just ask Georgia how many are living in there after the mobolization. You think with how much info is available at your finger tips one would want to fight a war for heads of state that dont give a shit about them? Just like some in service that have come back for the bullshit middle east we where in, and stating what they really think of the shit there and our gov.
 
Pretty interesting video. Some good commentary from the author. I think whats more interesting however is how big a roll drones have played in this war.
90% of videos are drone videos it would seem. I will be interesting to see the future of war (equipment) now with what we are seeing in this war.
 
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You are so far off base you are not even on the felid… you are still stuck in traffic on your way to the stadium.

Agency has much more important things to do than read any of the shit posts in here…
If we had an IC that was managed and staffed by competent people selected for their positions by a rigorous merit based system I would be inclined to agree with you.

But we don’t have anything close to that now. So who knows what shit they are up to.
 
If we had an IC that was managed and staffed by competent people selected for their positions by a rigorous merit based system I would be inclined to agree with you.

But we don’t have anything close to that now. So who knows what shit they are up to.
If anything they are likely trolling Grinder...
 
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for those of you who like to read about cause and effect, here's a good article on the soviet border meddling that created Ukraine

This is RT, so it's written for 100+ types, not sub 100s like our MSM

Wait.. I thought the Soviets deported/Killed an bunch of Crimean Tartars? Then moved in. Before WW2 the population was Heavily tartar. After, not so much?
 
If we had an IC that was managed and staffed by competent people selected for their positions by a rigorous merit based system I would be inclined to agree with you.

But we don’t have anything close to that now. So who knows what shit they are up to.
In all seriousness, it sounds like they are planning a regime change in Russia. Listen to what Patraues says. Start around 42:40 in the video below.

 

Vladimir Putin allegedly feuding with close ally and sources reveal he could soon be 'eliminated'​

Published on January 25, 2023 at 4:07 PM by Ali Postma
The head of the Wagner mercenary group has seemingly gotten too big for his boots, and Vladimir Putin isn't having it.

Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin is reportedly on Vladimir Putin’s bad side after branding Moscow’s generals as a 'bunch of clowns'.

Taking all the credit​

Prigozhin has allegedly been bragging that his 500-strong private paramilitary fighters are more effective than Russia’s military. He reportedly boasted that his forces had single-handedly taken control of the eastern Ukrainian town of Soledar.
Putin allegedly feels threatened and is paranoid about Prigozhin's power, according to experts from the think-tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW). The Russian President made a point of not crediting Prigozhin or his fighters for the town's capture and has started to reinvolve himself in the war effort, meeting commanders.
The ISW said:
Prigozhin did not take the hint, if hint it was, but instead redoubled his efforts to assert himself by advertising the superiority and successes of his own troops

His rhetoric and self-presentation had become overbearing and ostentatiously swaggering until things began to go south for him.
Not only that, Prigozhin has been openly critical of the leadership of Russia's army and military. As a result, Putin has started marginalising the Wagner group, appointing General Valery Gerasimov as the country’s new military commander.

'A bunch of clowns'​

In his latest reproach, Prigozhin labelled Russia's defence chiefs as 'a bunch of clowns' seeking the 'glamorisation of the army'. He said:
Jail inmates fight better than units of the Guards. Servicemen with broken spines pass on their military experience at training camps, moving around like robots.

And a bunch of clowns try to teach fighters exhausted with hard military labour how many times they ought to shave — and what kind of perfume they must use to greet high commanders.
He added:
I believe we must introduce legal restrictions, and the harshest punishment with a jail term of up to 50 years for the glamorisation of the army.

Read more: Vladimir Putin accused of 'deceiving' his own soldiers: 'The command doesn't care about us'

Has he gone too far?​

Prigozhin’s bold criticism has led some to wonder whether his ambition might have got the better of him. A source in the Russian political elite said:

People from the FSB are furious about him and see him as a threat to the constitutional order.
It seems Prigozhin needs to remember that he depends on Putin’s continued favour to operate at all. A businessman who knew Prigozhin back in the 1990s said:
He understands that many hate him in the system … so he knows that if he stops, it could be the end for him. He has no choice. He cannot reverse.

Read more:
Vladimir Putin: Russian TV host reveals terrifying consequences if President's needs aren't met
Vladimir Putin fortifies his secret palace in move to protect himself from 'all-out war'

A potential assassination attempt​


Indeed, the Kremlin suggested on Tuesday 24 January that there could be an assassination attempt on Prigozhin. Despite angering Putin, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said it's actually Ukrainian authorities that Prigozhin should be concerned about.
Prigozhin himself said he’d been informed about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and CIA director William Burns apparently meeting to talk about his assassination.
When asked about the accusation, Peskov said:
Ukraine is involved in both assassination attempts and an absolutely monstrous murder. The involvement of the Kyiv regime in such assassination attempts is obvious, so there is such a danger to our citizens.
It was Vladimir Rogov, a Russian-installed leader in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region, who originally made the assassination claim. Rogov told Russian state media:

One of the requests Zelensky made [during a meeting with the CIA director] was the murder of the Wagner boss, Mr. Prigozhin.
Prigozhin, through his press service, joked that killing him was a 'very good idea':
I agree that it’s time to eliminate Prigozhin. If they turn to me, I will definitely assist.
However, there are those who believe that it is Russia who will benefit the most from his elimination. One commentator wrote:
It seems to me that those who are most interested in Prigozhin's elimination are located near the Kremlin. They’ll just leak information about [his] movements and locations to the Ukrainians.
 
In all seriousness, it sounds like they are planning a regime change in Russia. Listen to what Patraues says. Start around 42:40 in the video below.


Does not surprise me, they gave that shit a go back in 2014 if I remember correctly.

You can also see an IO LOE on various media sites socializing the idea of splitting up Russia.
 
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If the Western allies condone such weapons of war... then we can expect American soldiers to face the same when NATO decides to OFFICIALLY fight in Ukraine.

though I suspect the Russians, like they have so far are calculated and not as easily provoked into escalating to banned weapons

If Ukr is using chemical weapons, this could turn the world from backing them.
 
With so much propaganda being dumped out, I question the validity of everything, Ukraine, Russia, or otherwise. Chemical weapons, casualties, who's doing what, dot gov.

So much of this shit appears to be staged to garner support I question it ALL.

I guess I'm just a cynical bastard, and always will be, unless I see something with my own eyes or can verify it. No, I am not going overseas.
 
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So......... Did Syria use Chemical weapons on it's own people as the US government reported?..... hmmmmm
Here we are in Ukraine, discussing, who to trust......
Sounds like a person whose lied a few times, and then says, but I'm telling truth this time..
Que, boy who cried wolf
 
With so much propaganda being dumped out, I question the validity of everything, Ukraine, Russia, or otherwise. Chemical weapons, casualties, who's doing what, dot gov.

So much of this shit appears to be staged to garner support I question it ALL.

I guess I'm just a cynical bastard, and always will be, unless I see something with my own eyes or can verify it. No, I am not going overseas.
Please know I'm not arguing or attacking you.

I am speaking on a micro personal people level, not regards to sovereign nations

Often times people will distort facts when they are in the wrong. Bad People will continually pump out misinformation to sway people to their side understanding that if they spew enough bullshit, people will throw their hands up and disavow both sides as opposed to siding with just the good people

A fictional example might be a woman accuses a man of attempting to rape her

The rapist runs to the police first with a story calling 911 from this phone talking about how she stated she would call the police and tell them that he raped her because she was unhinged and he refused to commit to her

It goes from a victim reporting a crime to a he said / she said

It's a fictional example, those of you that are in the know about such things please note this is not a real life example
 
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So......... Did Syria use Chemical weapons on it's own people as the US government reported?..... hmmmmm
Here we are in Ukraine, discussing, who to trust......
Sounds like a person whose lied a few times, and then says, but I'm telling truth this time..
Que, boy who cried wolf
Both Ukraine and Russia are overflowing with Pravda, I don't trust information coming out of either country. It's almost impossible to really know anything these days unless personally observed. But what is admitted by our own country is that we had BioLabs in Ukraine, that were funded by the pentagon. I speculate they were not formulating the cure for cancer there, but who knows.
 
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If the Western allies condone such weapons of war... then we can expect American soldiers to face the same when NATO decides to OFFICIALLY fight in Ukraine.

though I suspect the Russians, like they have so far are calculated and not as easily provoked into escalating to banned weapons

If Ukr is using chemical weapons, this could turn the world from backing them.
they just lie, like always.
heck, this xiden regime blew up a car full of kids and claim they killed the kabul bombers.
now they might have been forced to admit it (this time) but how can you believe anything else they say after that?

anyway, the nazis already used these butterfly mines, and then the UK claimed the russians did it to themselves.
not surprisingly, the ukrainians requested approval to "legally" use them to defend bakhmut. i don't know if they got approval, but they used them again anyway.

 
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If the Western allies condone such weapons of war... then we can expect American soldiers to face the same when NATO decides to OFFICIALLY fight in Ukraine.

though I suspect the Russians, like they have so far are calculated and not as easily provoked into escalating to banned weapons

If Ukr is using chemical weapons, this could turn the world from backing them.
Surely they couldn't be this stupid though could they? It basically clears hot a WMD-tier response.....not saying that Russia should/will, but why give them the excuse?
 
If the Western allies condone such weapons of war... then we can expect American soldiers to face the same when NATO decides to OFFICIALLY fight in Ukraine.

though I suspect the Russians, like they have so far are calculated and not as easily provoked into escalating to banned weapons

If Ukr is using chemical weapons, this could turn the world from backing them.
It really looks like a simple F1 frag grenade. Pause at second 5-6. Then again as I have been saying all along from both fuckin side.... propaganda at its fuckin finest! :poop: 🤦‍♂️
 
With so much propaganda being dumped out, I question the validity of everything, Ukraine, Russia, or otherwise. Chemical weapons, casualties, who's doing what, dot gov.

So much of this shit appears to be staged to garner support I question it ALL.

I guess I'm just a cynical bastard, and always will be, unless I see something with my own eyes or can verify it. No, I am not going overseas.
STOP IT youre thinking with too damn hard! All kidding aside its what I have been sayin, and seems to be touching nerves on all sides haha.
 

Pause the video at second 5-6 it looks like a F1 Grenade.

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I really wish people would research the history of Ukraine and their interactions with Germany versus Russia during ww2.

This would explain much.
 
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I didn't hack it. I don't know how to remove the extra ones. Sorry. I willow in Russia and read this site more. I also have Rem 700 in 223.
 
I guess that make me a few of those few years old.
 
Yes. He is a bad guy.

But he might also have been pushed into Ukraine in defense of the nation he leads from NATO provocation/proxy war.

Both can be true.

I believe you are referring to "in this case" regarding the invasion of Ukraine. In that regard, Russia was not given a choice in whether to invade Ukraine, only when.
How? Just what makes Putin the bad guy, and in looking at your list of "bad" things.....can you really trust that list?

Me, I am not so sure anymore.

I was pretty high on the list of running Russia into the river when this started, my entire life Russia has been the "bad guy". How much of that is a hold over from the guy pounding his shoe on the desk at the UN? (Many will not get that reference, and that is another problem)

Everyday that goes by I am second guessing just who the "bad guy" is here, and it ain't the russians.
 
I think there's plenty of people that are starting to see things from a different perspective.
How? Just what makes Putin the bad guy, and in looking at your list of "bad" things.....can you really trust that list?

Me, I am not so sure anymore.

I was pretty high on the list of running Russia into the river when this started, my entire life Russia has been the "bad guy". How much of that is a hold over from the guy pounding his shoe on the desk at the UN? (Many will not get that reference, and that is another problem)

Everyday that goes by I am second guessing just who the "bad guy" is here, and it ain't the russians.
 
How? Just what makes Putin the bad guy, and in looking at your list of "bad" things.....can you really trust that list?

Me, I am not so sure anymore.

I was pretty high on the list of running Russia into the river when this started, my entire life Russia has been the "bad guy". How much of that is a hold over from the guy pounding his shoe on the desk at the UN? (Many will not get that reference, and that is another problem)

Everyday that goes by I am second guessing just who the "bad guy" is here, and it ain't the russians.
Both are.

There are no good guys or right side.

Level the whole nation and call it a draw.

This is the best possible outcome. Peace will not be allowed and neither side can afford to lose. Pushing this to the end where one side wins will cause a major collapse of some sort or another.

There are no good options available. Only less bad ones.

Even a draw has major downsides.
 
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There will be no draw. We cannot afford to lose. A draw in this case is tantamount to defeat for us.
 
Surely they couldn't be this stupid though could they? It basically clears hot a WMD-tier response.....not saying that Russia should/will, but why give them the excuse?
They were stupid enough to enter this conflict without a long term or exit strategy. So, yes, they are that stupid.

I do not believe Russia is nearly as unhinged as Western media would have you believe. It's kind of the other way around if you ignore the rhetoric and examine the decisions and actions instead.
 
Then you are a unicorn. Or you have figured out to use the site.
I had 260 Rem and 6.5 * 47.
An account with a post dated four years after opening and then the six more years before posting again and it's to spread a video across three or four different threads?
 
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