Dropped the 223AI into the new TF3A that just came back with an EFR.
Really enjoying the balance and feel of the medium palma barrel.
16-18 inch shorty rifles
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Dropped the 223AI into the new TF3A that just came back with an EFR.
Really enjoying the balance and feel of the medium palma barrel.
Accessories - Sold
WTS only. No trades and PayPal FF SOLD Cadex Competition Lite chassis for Rem700 SA. Minimal use and has some very small blems. Chassis functions fine. $1250 shipped SOLD - Cadex Falcon bipod with spiked feet. Has also seen minimal use. $250.
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I wish that had the ability to run a top rail for clip ons. Slick looking chassis for sure.Accessories - Sold
WTS only. No trades and PayPal FF SOLD Cadex Competition Lite chassis for Rem700 SA. Minimal use and has some very small blems. Chassis functions fine. $1250 shipped SOLD - Cadex Falcon bipod with spiked feet. Has also seen minimal use. $250.
Tikka SA. I don't think enough southern ingenuity can be applied to get it to work.Accessories - Sold
WTS only. No trades and PayPal FF SOLD Cadex Competition Lite chassis for Rem700 SA. Minimal use and has some very small blems. Chassis functions fine. $1250 shipped SOLD - Cadex Falcon bipod with spiked feet. Has also seen minimal use. $250.
Natural wear >>>> everything else.
I can’t stand when guys have perfect paint jobs. These are not hot rods, they’re tools. They will be used and look like such.
Love me a good rattle can job that gets beat to hell. So much better than cerakote or anodizing or whatever else they’re doing these days.
I took it out the last few weekends to Chrono some spreads for velocity and shoot some groups, here's the velocities I saw.
Reloder 16
200 gr ELDx, 30 off
04/28
60.5gr - 2,576 fps
61gr - 2,595 fps
61.5gr - 2,594 fps
62gr - 2,637 fps
05/06:
62.5gr - 2,585 fps
63gr - 2,622 fps
63.5gr - 2,674 fps
168gr E-Tip , 60 off
04/28:
63.5gr - 2,750 fps
64gr - 2,774 fps
64.5gr - 2,812 fps
65gr - 2,800 fps
05/06:
65.5gr - 2,827 fps
66gr - 2,850 fps
66.5gr - 2,861 fps
Staball 6.5
200 gr ELDx, 30 off
05/06:
63.5gr - 2,652 fps
64gr - 2,643 fps
64.5gr - 2,665 fps
65gr - 2,710 fps
65.5gr - 2,767 fps
168gr E-Tip , 60 off
05/06:
67.5gr - 2,873 fps
68gr - 2,947 fps
68.5gr - 2,936 fps
69gr - 2,997 fps
69.5gr - 3,026 fps
165gr TGK, 30 off
68gr - 2,914 fps
68.5gr - 3,011 fps
69gr - 3,004 fps
69.5gr - 3,023 fps
70gr - 3,023 fps
There's some data points anyway, I'm going to focus on Staball next time, although most of the RL16 groups were moa-ish, and some below (I'm pretty happy given the scope I'm using). I think Staball is going to be a better burn speed for velocity, and I've had good luck with it in Creedmoors, .30-06 and .280ai.
One bummer is that my scope (Athlon Helos BTR2 2-12x42 FFP) took a dump a few shots into the second trip. At every shot the parallax would change and when the scope came back on target from recoil, everything was blurry.... I was actually able to shoot groups fine, but had to adjust the parallax after every shot (wasn't going to waste the drive up). That's what I get for using cheapy ChiCom scopes I guess, Athalon refused to RMA even though it was basically brand new, so I sent it in to the warranty department today, we'll see what they do. Either way I'll probably need to get a different scope for this particular rifle because the windage turret blocks reliable ejection from the Tikka.
American Rifle Company Coup De Grace short action
PVA 18" 308 1:10 fluted
ARC Xylo chassis
AIAW mags
TT Diamond Flat
Accutac bipod.
Meopta optika6 5-30x56 Mrad
ARC M-BRACE rings
PVA 18" 308 1:10 fluted
ARC Xylo chassis
AIAW mags
TT Diamond Flat
Accutac bipod.
Meopta optika6 5-30x56 Mrad
ARC M-BRACE rings
Man it shoots pretty good for what it is. I’m sure you know but it started life as 8” 300blk but I just like accurate rifles and I predator hunt a lot so I wanted to use it for that also. So bought the Proof 16” and hand guard and started working up a load. Still testing some powder/bullet combos. It now has a mark5 3.6-18 on it besides the gen3 razor but here are some more pic.
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New 300Blk in the family....
Accurate Ordinance Action (Stiller)
Wilson #4 1:8 16" spun up by @FisherT&C (rattle canned after)
KMW Sentinel Stock w. Badger DBM & EFR
Timney 517 trigger
NF NX8 1-8
Eratac Mount (selling to it put an ADM for better eye relief)
Sig 7.62Ti can
Currently has 40MOA of cant, but will be 50MOA when the new mount arrives.
Did some initial shots with 8.0gr of V110 and Hoosier 220 powder coated bullets. Velocity was 1068fps with an SD of 7 using Starline brass and Ginex primers. Seemed to shoot close to 1MOA at 100 yards.
Shot the attached 5 shot group at 100yds using the plated 220gr reloads with CFEBlack I mass load for my SBR.
Gun didn't seem to like the lighter Noslers 175 Custom Comps with the V110. Shot OK, but SD was in the high teens and low twenties.
Accurate Ordinance Action (Stiller)
Wilson #4 1:8 16" spun up by @FisherT&C (rattle canned after)
KMW Sentinel Stock w. Badger DBM & EFR
Timney 517 trigger
NF NX8 1-8
Eratac Mount (selling to it put an ADM for better eye relief)
Sig 7.62Ti can
Currently has 40MOA of cant, but will be 50MOA when the new mount arrives.
Did some initial shots with 8.0gr of V110 and Hoosier 220 powder coated bullets. Velocity was 1068fps with an SD of 7 using Starline brass and Ginex primers. Seemed to shoot close to 1MOA at 100 yards.
Shot the attached 5 shot group at 100yds using the plated 220gr reloads with CFEBlack I mass load for my SBR.
Gun didn't seem to like the lighter Noslers 175 Custom Comps with the V110. Shot OK, but SD was in the high teens and low twenties.
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Have always loved shorties. Used to have a Remington 700 16” 308. Like an idiot, I traded it away for a revolver I didn’t like but thought I had to have. Been longing for a replacement of some kind for awhile. In strolls a Savage 110 Elite Precision in 308 that I got for cheap cheap cheap. Been shooting it for a few months and it shoots awesome. So I’ve been hesitant. But damn it this thread keeps pulling me back. So today, I dropped it off at the gunsmith. When it’s all said and done, the barrel should be about 16.5”. That’ll put it just beyond the end of the chassis. I can’t wait to get it back and see how she does. Thanks to everyone in this thread for the nudge I needed to finally get it done. Here is a quickie rendering of what it will look like, roughly, when done.
before
hopefully after - rough ms paint I know
and the 700 shorty I use to have that I miss
before
hopefully after - rough ms paint I know
and the 700 shorty I use to have that I miss
My Proof Carbon Barreled 223 Mini Fix has also been incredibly accurate! It shoots 77 TMKs, 77 SMKs, and the 53 VMAX within 1/2 moa of each other, as far as point of impact, with same zero.
300 yards
600 yards
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That’s nice! Yeah I was impressed once I switched it to the proof .223 barrel.
A 16.5" barrel will clear than handguard on a ACC chassis?Have always loved shorties. Used to have a Remington 700 16” 308. Like an idiot, I traded it away for a revolver I didn’t like but thought I had to have. Been longing for a replacement of some kind for awhile. In strolls a Savage 110 Elite Precision in 308 that I got for cheap cheap cheap. Been shooting it for a few months and it shoots awesome. So I’ve been hesitant. But damn it this thread keeps pulling me back. So today, I dropped it off at the gunsmith. When it’s all said and done, the barrel should be about 16.5”. That’ll put it just beyond the end of the chassis. I can’t wait to get it back and see how she does. Thanks to everyone in this thread for the nudge I needed to finally get it done. Here is a quickie rendering of what it will look like, roughly, when done.
before
hopefully after - rough ms paint I know
When I measured with my smith, it looks like between 16.5 and 17 will clear enough to get my suppressor adapter on there. Should be done in about a week or so and I’ll post finished pics.
I'd double check to be sure, it'll be pretty close. I'm getting an ACC Premier chopped down a bit to go with this setup:
Rem 700 with 18" Hawkhill heavy palma 6.5 Creed barrel done up by Insite Arms. My go to load (140gr ELDM with 42.0gr H4350 in Hornady case at 2.200" BTO) is moving 2670fps and sub 1/2moa so I'm a happy camper. Makes for great performance out of a nice compact package. Not light (17lbs 14oz as shown with lightweight double-pull Ckyepod and Gen 2 Razor but with a full set of dampeners in the stock) but very manageable and a real joy to shoot!
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Talk to me about those 12" 6.5 creed velocities - I'm thinking about SBRing a bolt action to do just this.
I don’t have a chronograph, so I’m not sure. A nice fella at the range used his ballistic calculator to help me get my elevation adjustments, and get consistent hits from 200 to 600 yards on the steel plates though. If someone can help me get numbers next time I’m at the range I’ll let you know.
If you share the bullet you used and the dope at 600 someone can get you the velocity.
I was using Nosler Tropy Grade 140 grain.
These numbers were pretty spot on, but at 600 yards I was hitting slightly low. The scope is in MOA.
-200 yards - 1 3/4
-300 yards - 4 1/2
-400 yards - 7 3/4
-500 yards - 11 1/2
-600 yards - 15 1/2
Running some quick numbers shows 2530 fps. The Trophy Grade shows a 142 ABLR so I used that for the data.
Well, you were correct to question this. It turned out that right at 18” was the best compromise to get it close without being too close to the hand guard. Got it back today, and I love it. Can’t wait to see if anything has changed, besides velocity, with the loads it used to be fond of.
Putting together a little something for you guys. Here’s a teaser
-Aero Solus
-Trigger Tech
-Bartlein 16.5” spiral fluted
-Aero Solus
-Trigger Tech
-Bartlein 16.5” spiral fluted
I'd run gt, keep the velocity up, good feeding, but not shit 6cm barrel life. I have a 22" gt on a xlr magnesium folder running my suppressor, 105hyb at 2950. Hell on deer! Beings 300m max, and you're considering 6br, I'd go 6bra as it gives velocity boost and minimal case growth, and similar barrel life as br.
That is an awesome pic. Can't wait to see her when she's all put together.
Thread inspired build
18" 223AI - Preferred prefit
Zermatt Origin
Grayboe Ridgeback
ADM QD titanium mount
Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18x44
18" 223AI - Preferred prefit
Zermatt Origin
Grayboe Ridgeback
ADM QD titanium mount
Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18x44
16” T1x 22lr trainer in a KRG X-ray chassis, USO TS12 scope, Sterk knob, AAC can, TRG bipod.
Truly a work of art! I think is is just about as close to perfection (for me) as you can get. Thanks!!!
Got a 16" 6gt on the brain as a truck/sxs/tractor gun. Ordered an eh1 earlier this morning and have been racking my brain on what action to use. I don't feel like this build warrants a $1500 action, so what are some of the more budget friendly offerings that y'all have used? I'm aware of the Origin and CDG actions. Oh, and needs to be 700 footprint.
Origins are hard to beat. Swappable bolt heads, a slew of pre-fits, can use an HLR lug to run TL3/SR3 short action prefits (Origin LA and SA have same spacing as LA TL3/SR3; SA TL3/SR3 are different), or use savage prefits w/nut. Only downside is if you want to run AW mags.
I've been looking into upgrading mine. The ones that keep coming up seem to be...
ARC Coup De Grâce
ARC Nucleus
Zermatt Origin
MACKBROS EVO II
Also interested to see what's recommended with the shorty crowd.
