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After 40 years of seven month winters we moved from Alaska to Lewiston, ID eight years ago. The place has certainly grown in that time but I'm not seeing the political doom and gloom people like to talk about.
I've seen pickups with CA plates, parked at Sportsmans Warehouse and at least one with a Trump bumper sticker.
There was a newly arrived couple from CA at Boomershoot last spring, they thought it was great.
In Idaho in 2016 Trump got 409,055 votes or 59%.
From 2016 to 2020 the population increased by 165,000.
In 2020 Trump got 554,119 votes or 64%.
The population is increasing everywhere, the best you can hope for is the"right" people become your neighbors.
 
I like to say doom and gloom and it is all bad, because it is not an Idaho native that called the cops on us for safety shooting rifles on PUBLIC land far away from any building or people. but in reality Idaho is a pretty good place to live. Just be sure to vote against tax hikes, school levies, and every other stupid bond they wanna pass every single year.
 
Do you have a chart that shows the value of the US dollar on the same timeline as well? I know back in 2004 I purchased a brand new truck for $30k and now the same truck would cost $90k. My wages have not tripled in the same amount of time...
Once The USD was unhindged from gold there is no way to pinpoint the "value of the USD". The politicians compare the USD to a basket of several currencies from other countries. There is nothing concrete with that method. Their terms are a "Strong dollar" or a "Weak dollar" by comparison.
Your observation and figures are in line with what the average, working American is seeing.
Interesting how little banks are paying for interest on savings accounts but how high credit card rates are. They are making a killing on the spread. but not passing it on to their stock holders.
It will get worse.

 
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Yawn... Another "I want to move to Wyoming" thread? Okay, here we go again. Zero sarcasm, as always.

First, winter reaction here is nothing like Nashville. When it snows in Tennessee (I used to live in Knoxville), everything shuts down. When it snows in Wyoming, we go to work and your kids go to school. When it snows, your boss 100% expects you to be there on time. If the highway you have to travel is expected to close, they often expect you to sleep at the job site to be able to go to work the next day. "I'm snowed in..." is not a valid excuse, and I've seen more than a few terminated because they thought it was. And it's not done when it stops snowing, because the >60mph winds just move that shit around for the next five days until the next storm comes in.

Think you get to just find some BLM land through On-X and shoot on it? Think again. A rancher has a lease on that land and their herd will be grazing, or a well is being drilled on it and they give a fuck even less. If they hear shooting on "their land", they're coming for you. They know the sheriff, you don't. You will lose.

Think you'll just find work easy-peasy and have a solid job? Think again. Depending on the industry, you'll be wrapped up in the typical boom to bust to boom cycle. This is an energy state with over half our GDP is energy. Even in the Trump years, it was pure bust with ZERO active wells and mines shutting down. That has a massive ripple effect because O&G + coal pays everyone's paychecks here, whether you're in the industry or not, because that's where all the big money is being made and trailer park rich fools blow their money from. As it is, the war on coal and O&G is taking its toll, the economy here is faltering, and people are moving away to find new work. There's a reason our population is stagnated and fallen recently, there's no fucking jobs to make it worth sticking it out.

One plus of living here is your vehicle will absolutely become more aerodynamic. Like a fucking golf ball. We're happy when the hail stays below golf ball size. We're also often disappointed because Mother Nature has other ideas and likes to drop baseballs from the sky.

Enjoy watching wind turbines not spinning, because they're fucking everywhere now. And they're all broken. And they're putting up more by the hundreds and thousands because they keep breaking but California bought the rights and that's what they want. Our own Governor and his administration sold the state down the river to California for more wind revenue, that's how "red" we are. That nice town of Hanna mentioned earlier? Nothing but a wind turbine farm there now. The Virginian in Medicine Bow? Lovely view... Of wind turbines.

But the same as I told the last few, please, move here. We love short sales when things just aren't as peachy keen as you thought they would be.
 
I like to say doom and gloom and it is all bad, because it is not an Idaho native that called the cops on us for safety shooting rifles on PUBLIC land far away from any building or people. but in reality Idaho is a pretty good place to live. Just be sure to vote against tax hikes, school levies, and every other stupid bond they wanna pass every single year.

This is a big one. The BLM and Forest service are telling people they need to be 50 miles from town. Not because there's any law or rule, but because they're sick of dealing with calls non-stop because of a guy that's in a canyon 5 miles from town and people can hear it.
 
Funny you say that, I called the blm office in Casper today and had a very good 30 minute conversation with a nice lady and she said otherwise 😉
well, she works for the gubment, so clearly she is a liar.

I mean, unless you are a leftist who believes everything the administration tells you.....
 
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Cheyenne is not what it once was and it’s starting to fall inline with other problem areas. I was raised there and get back a few times a year so it’s easier to see the subtle changes over someone that is there full time. I would recommend the north half of the state but not so much for the southern

Yawn... Another "I want to move to Wyoming" thread? Okay, here we go again. Zero sarcasm, as always.

First, winter reaction here is nothing like Nashville. When it snows in Tennessee (I used to live in Knoxville), everything shuts down. When it snows in Wyoming, we go to work and your kids go to school. When it snows, your boss 100% expects you to be there on time. If the highway you have to travel is expected to close, they often expect you to sleep at the job site to be able to go to work the next day. "I'm snowed in..." is not a valid excuse, and I've seen more than a few terminated because they thought it was. And it's not done when it stops snowing, because the >60mph winds just move that shit around for the next five days until the next storm comes in.

Think you get to just find some BLM land through On-X and shoot on it? Think again. A rancher has a lease on that land and their herd will be grazing, or a well is being drilled on it and they give a fuck even less. If they hear shooting on "their land", they're coming for you. They know the sheriff, you don't. You will lose.

Think you'll just find work easy-peasy and have a solid job? Think again. Depending on the industry, you'll be wrapped up in the typical boom to bust to boom cycle. This is an energy state with over half our GDP is energy. Even in the Trump years, it was pure bust with ZERO active wells and mines shutting down. That has a massive ripple effect because O&G + coal pays everyone's paychecks here, whether you're in the industry or not, because that's where all the big money is being made and trailer park rich fools blow their money from. As it is, the war on coal and O&G is taking its toll, the economy here is faltering, and people are moving away to find new work. There's a reason our population is stagnated and fallen recently, there's no fucking jobs to make it worth sticking it out.

One plus of living here is your vehicle will absolutely become more aerodynamic. Like a fucking golf ball. We're happy when the hail stays below golf ball size. We're also often disappointed because Mother Nature has other ideas and likes to drop baseballs from the sky.

Enjoy watching wind turbines not spinning, because they're fucking everywhere now. And they're all broken. And they're putting up more by the hundreds and thousands because they keep breaking but California bought the rights and that's what they want. Our own Governor and his administration sold the state down the river to California for more wind revenue, that's how "red" we are. That nice town of Hanna mentioned earlier? Nothing but a wind turbine farm there now. The Virginian in Medicine Bow? Lovely view... Of wind turbines.

But the same as I told the last few, please, move here. We love short sales when things just aren't as peachy keen as you thought they would be.
Really good info and much appreciated. No sarcasm from my end. But I do have a question for you, if it's so bad why do you still live there?
 
Really good info and much appreciated. No sarcasm from my end. But I do have a question for you, if it's so bad why do you still live there?
Because it keeps out the weak. Those that live here want to be here. They have a do whatever it takes attitude. Those who experience our beautiful summers decide in short order to move here or build a $800,000 McMansion on top of a hill outside of town, and then the wind hits with vengeance late fall and is relentless till June. -30° and 90mph gusts are not uncommon, with snow you wish you could avoid traveling in but can’t. Now you’re 30 minutes from town on a good day and nobody is coming to help you because they’re dealing with it themselves. There are six foot drifts criss crossing all the roads to town and the county is plowing primary highways, not your tertiary side roads, the power has been off for 18hr and your Tesla gay mobile laughs at you, plus you neglected to install a wood stove and never got 4 cords of wood chopped, stacked and covered by your back door. What are you going to do now?

Colorado has pot. And hipsters. Try it out.
 
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Really good info and much appreciated. No sarcasm from my end. But I do have a question for you, if it's so bad why do you still live there?
An answer that paints with a "wide brush"... not just this region or situation.
American's are left with the option of "choosing the lesser of two evils".....
Getting to be the norm.
 
Another guy lived near my mom across town, tried giving my teenage daughter a flower in town one day, so I hunted him down and told him that’s weird and we don’t do that, he said “where I come from (cali) that is totally harmless” I said “well it is NOT harmless and you won’t do it again.”
Yea that will get you fed to the hogs right quick round here
 
I thought you western retards knew how to drive in snow
It’s all the flatlanders who moved here and drive through on the interstate. Lack of visibility is what kills, not slick roads. I’ve done 70 on glass ice for hours in my peterbuilt when I still drove. It was because it was 3:00am and a clear full moon night and I could see 5miles ahead.
 
Any representation from the other states listed ? Or possibly the cities of salt lake city, billings or Idaho falls ?
Until 2019, we lived 50 miles south of Idaho Falls for 23 years so I can tell you some about the area.

Idaho Falls is the largest city in SE Idaho and has just about all the shopping and related stuff you would want. A lot of jobs of there, many directly or indirectly related to the Idaho National Laboratory (DOE nuke site). No clue on the housing situation but expect it has gone crazy there too for prices.

Would like to say that SE Idaho is a four season area for weather but truth is Spring and Fall can be really short like 3 or 4 weeks. Keep in mind this is a high (4500 + foot elevation) desert area with about 10 inches of precipitation per year which means it is a very dry place to live. Summers are not excessive for heat as breaking a 100 degrees is very unusual. Cools off at night to the 50's so it is pretty pleasant. Winters can be tough. Snow can start as early as September and go to May. Generally around late November is when it starts to stay on the ground and it will last until March. Seems there is always a stretch in the winter of 15 to 20 below zero temps with the norms being at or below freezing most days.

One constant for the weather is the wind as it is always blowing. Some days just a light breeze but most of the time it is 10 to 15 mph or more. Sustained 40 mph winds are not uncommon. I-15 gets shut down in the summer for blowing dust. Many roads get shut down at times in the winter due to blowing snow. Seems more and more windmills for power are going up in the area.

If you are an outdoors person, SE Idaho has lots of activities. Do suggest you find something to do in the winter that is outside or you will go crazy just staying inside. Ski, snow machine or ice fishing.

Most people go out to the desert to shoot. Need to be careful as I remember it seemed every year someone was getting shot by stray rounds in areas closer to town. The Unified Sportsman Club in Rexburg, about 30 miles north of Idaho Falls, is a very nice facility with a 1000 yard range.
 
Uh huh

I don't believe 70 km/h let alone 70 mph
When ice is near freezing point, or has sunlight on it, it is slick as shit. At -20° with no sunlight, traction increases enough for higher speeds, on top of that my peterbuilt pulling train, which is full size 13,000gal main and a 7,000 pup, there is a total of 11 axels that have traction. If you drive smooth as a baby’s ass, which you are because it’s glass ice…. You have 11 anchor points keeping you on the ice, so long as you don’t mash on the breaks in a panic, it’s smooth sailing. Too much throttle up a hill and you can feel your locked drive axels slip a little, but it’s ok because of all the trailer axles keep the rear from stepping out, so you slowly let back off till they grab again.

Do not try the above in a car or truck, two axles and you loose traction, you’re in the ditch with snow up to your roof. 🤣
 
After 40 years of seven month winters we moved from Alaska to Lewiston, ID eight years ago. The place has certainly grown in that time but I'm not seeing the political doom and gloom people like to talk about.
I've seen pickups with CA plates, parked at Sportsmans Warehouse and at least one with a Trump bumper sticker.
There was a newly arrived couple from CA at Boomershoot last spring, they thought it was great.
In Idaho in 2016 Trump got 409,055 votes or 59%.
From 2016 to 2020 the population increased by 165,000.
In 2020 Trump got 554,119 votes or 64%.
The population is increasing everywhere, the best you can hope for is the"right" people become your neighbors.
Lewiston is a hidden gem. I know so because I often hear the blue hairs and Californians in Pullman/Moscow tell me how “-ist” and “-ism” it is. CDL is nice too, but i think it’s lost its luster over the past 10 years because of west coast invaders. It’s especially sad for the locals, who can no longer afford to live in the city they were born and raised in.
 
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Until 2019, we lived 50 miles south of Idaho Falls for 23 years so I can tell you some about the area.

Idaho Falls is the largest city in SE Idaho and has just about all the shopping and related stuff you would want. A lot of jobs of there, many directly or indirectly related to the Idaho National Laboratory (DOE nuke site). No clue on the housing situation but expect it has gone crazy there too for prices.

Would like to say that SE Idaho is a four season area for weather but truth is Spring and Fall can be really short like 3 or 4 weeks. Keep in mind this is a high (4500 + foot elevation) desert area with about 10 inches of precipitation per year which means it is a very dry place to live. Summers are not excessive for heat as breaking a 100 degrees is very unusual. Cools off at night to the 50's so it is pretty pleasant. Winters can be tough. Snow can start as early as September and go to May. Generally around late November is when it starts to stay on the ground and it will last until March. Seems there is always a stretch in the winter of 15 to 20 below zero temps with the norms being at or below freezing most days.

One constant for the weather is the wind as it is always blowing. Some days just a light breeze but most of the time it is 10 to 15 mph or more. Sustained 40 mph winds are not uncommon. I-15 gets shut down in the summer for blowing dust. Many roads get shut down at times in the winter due to blowing snow. Seems more and more windmills for power are going up in the area.

If you are an outdoors person, SE Idaho has lots of activities. Do suggest you find something to do in the winter that is outside or you will go crazy just staying inside. Ski, snow machine or ice fishing.

Most people go out to the desert to shoot. Need to be careful as I remember it seemed every year someone was getting shot by stray rounds in areas closer to town. The Unified Sportsman Club in Rexburg, about 30 miles north of Idaho Falls, is a very nice facility with a 1000 yard range.

I do regret that I didn't get posted to INL for Navy nuke training and got sent instead to upstate NY.
 
I know these 4 states would be horrible to move to. No good hunting and no good public land shooting opportunities 😜.

But from people who live there or who have lived there what is the best place to raise a young family and enjoy the benefits of a 2nd amendment friendly state ?

I am looking for good camping , public land shooting ( like the Nutnfancy youtube channel) and hunting opportunities.

Montana, Wyoming, Utah or Idaho (states and cities) .

And for what's it is worth I am not moving from California and will not be bringing any liberal nonsense with me !

Please help a fellow hide member out !
Well, you'd be one of the first to move to any of these states that wouldn't be bringing their left leaning ways.
 
Lewiston is a hidden gem. I know so because I often hear the blue hairs and Californians in Pullman/Moscow tell me how “-ist” and “-ism” it is. CDL is nice too, but i think it’s lost its luster over the past 10 years because of west coast invaders. It’s especially sad for the locals, who can no longer afford to live in the city they were born and raised in.
Yeah housing prices are the downside, doesn't matter what a persons politics are. Of course I moved here so I'm one of "them". When my whole family moved to Alaska in 1974 we were one of "them" , boomers, and boomer meant something different then. We stayed in AK during the mid 80's crash when people were just leaving their house keys on the kitchen counter and getting on a plane. If you like where you are just ride the economy.....and vote 2nd Amendment.
 
We’d love to have you in North Dakota. Mild winters. No wind. No bugs. No ticks. Mountainous. Lots to do. It’s great here. The best.

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Rather see some trees? Pop on over one state east. Only need a parka for a month out of the year.

 
Until 2019, we lived 50 miles south of Idaho Falls for 23 years so I can tell you some about the area.

Idaho Falls is the largest city in SE Idaho and has just about all the shopping and related stuff you would want. A lot of jobs of there, many directly or indirectly related to the Idaho National Laboratory (DOE nuke site). No clue on the housing situation but expect it has gone crazy there too for prices.

Would like to say that SE Idaho is a four season area for weather but truth is Spring and Fall can be really short like 3 or 4 weeks. Keep in mind this is a high (4500 + foot elevation) desert area with about 10 inches of precipitation per year which means it is a very dry place to live. Summers are not excessive for heat as breaking a 100 degrees is very unusual. Cools off at night to the 50's so it is pretty pleasant. Winters can be tough. Snow can start as early as September and go to May. Generally around late November is when it starts to stay on the ground and it will last until March. Seems there is always a stretch in the winter of 15 to 20 below zero temps with the norms being at or below freezing most days.

One constant for the weather is the wind as it is always blowing. Some days just a light breeze but most of the time it is 10 to 15 mph or more. Sustained 40 mph winds are not uncommon. I-15 gets shut down in the summer for blowing dust. Many roads get shut down at times in the winter due to blowing snow. Seems more and more windmills for power are going up in the area.

If you are an outdoors person, SE Idaho has lots of activities. Do suggest you find something to do in the winter that is outside or you will go crazy just staying inside. Ski, snow machine or ice fishing.

Most people go out to the desert to shoot. Need to be careful as I remember it seemed every year someone was getting shot by stray rounds in areas closer to town. The Unified Sportsman Club in Rexburg, about 30 miles north of Idaho Falls, is a very nice facility with a 1000 yard range.

I've been to the NRF site many times for work from 2005 through 2020 and my girlfriend (Army Veteran) grew up in Idaho Falls. We've been discussing moving to one of these states (including SD as well) since they are more conservative and PA appears to be headed off the cliff of democrat doom. Her Dad is a Navy Veteran and former instructor at NRF and currently lives in Biose. It will be a couple years until we can make that move, but it's going to happen. I gotta find the best location that supports PRS style shooting since we are both enjoying it here in PA.
 
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what makes these states you listed great is the lack of people, abundance of public space, and (formally) a low cost of living. work-from-home rich techies bugged out of their hives to small affordable towns, where they bought two houses for the price of one city condo. Housing prices and voting demographics changed enough to displace locals from their home towns. Ask yourself: if you’re priced out of your own home by culturally different outsiders, would you be mad? Where are you supposed to go if these outsiders bought up all the cheap housing and rent it for 1.5x the price from last year? You can’t even escape to your favorite lake to go fishing because alltrails and instagram made it a destination for these invaders. But you “support the 2A”? Fuck you that’s a prerequisite, not an accomplishment or identity.

tldr fuck you we’re full
HAHAHAHA!!!! Don't hold back!

There is truth to what you are saying...but come on and be completely clean...Spokompton has been a shithole since before the Worlds Fair and The Evergreen State has been in a downward libtard spiral for over 50 years. The more recent influx has made almost zero difference.

Now, just a few miles east, is a place where the recent invasion is very noticeable.
 
This is true in Idaho for sure.
A guy from cali lives south of me, hes always cussing and yelling at his girlfriend etc.
The lady to the west I think is sort of liberal, but she keeps to herself and has never had a single problem.
The guy below me from Alaska, he’s ok. Always giving me stuff. I like him.
The couple to the east side are quiet, from Colorado, but routinely text us about things they don’t like, I popped off a couple 9mm rounds into the dirt, she starts texting and said she heard bullets land on her roof. I said no you didn’t, but I can accommodate you?
Another one to the east side, not sure where she is from, she literally called the cops at the gun shots because “she worried someone committed suicide”.
Another guy lived near my mom across town, tried giving my teenage daughter a flower in town one day, so I hunted him down and told him that’s weird and we don’t do that, he said “where I come from (cali) that is totally harmless” I said “well it is NOT harmless and you won’t do it again.”
The idiotic city council guy from cali,
The creepy business owner from cali, that buys rental houses.
See the trend? Sorry I rant…
If you have lived in Nez Perce County for long enough, then you know the history of the shooting range. It's still called Gun Club Road but the Gun Club is no more.
 
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If you have lived in Nez Perce County for long enough, then you know the history of the shooting range. It's still called Gun Club Road but the Gun Club is no more.
Idaho County or bust for myself. I remember dad shooting at that gun club, probably late 80s? All I did at that age was eat boogers and throw rocks at cars so I don’t remember it well. Seems like he had a 41 magnum or something. The paper mill sure smells good eh?
 
These pics are real old. Antique, even. It's not like that anymore. The entire globe has gotten warmer.

96 was the last bad one. We've had 90% as much several times since.


Don't believe the news. It's cyclic. We had several years of nearly no snow, then almost record snows. They just don't tell you about the near record levels because it doesn't fit the doom and gloom narrative.
 
These pics are real old. Antique, even. It's not like that anymore. The entire globe has gotten warmer.
The color one is from one or two years ago?

Granted, the top one is from 1966 (the train one purportedly from 1966, but I don’t know).

The record for the coldest air temp in Minnesota is -60°F, set in 1996 in Tower, MN. Unofficial measurements were -73°F in the same area/day (see video). 1996 isn’t that far off.

Overall, the winters have been getting a bit milder, yes. A bit. A warming trend can, paradoxically, make winters more extreme. Especially in the middle of a continent (where it tends to be the coldest).

Where are you from, pardner?
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(Edit: on second glance, this gif from Once Upon a Time in the West is a little too confrontational. I tried to find a gif of a farmer pushing his hat up, the classic sign of a ND farmer who is a bit confused at what he is experiencing. This’ll have to do. Supposed to be funny!)
 
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Until 2019, we lived 50 miles south of Idaho Falls for 23 years so I can tell you some about the area.

Idaho Falls is the largest city in SE Idaho and has just about all the shopping and related stuff you would want. A lot of jobs of there, many directly or indirectly related to the Idaho National Laboratory (DOE nuke site). No clue on the housing situation but expect it has gone crazy there too for prices.

Would like to say that SE Idaho is a four season area for weather but truth is Spring and Fall can be really short like 3 or 4 weeks. Keep in mind this is a high (4500 + foot elevation) desert area with about 10 inches of precipitation per year which means it is a very dry place to live. Summers are not excessive for heat as breaking a 100 degrees is very unusual. Cools off at night to the 50's so it is pretty pleasant. Winters can be tough. Snow can start as early as September and go to May. Generally around late November is when it starts to stay on the ground and it will last until March. Seems there is always a stretch in the winter of 15 to 20 below zero temps with the norms being at or below freezing most days.

One constant for the weather is the wind as it is always blowing. Some days just a light breeze but most of the time it is 10 to 15 mph or more. Sustained 40 mph winds are not uncommon. I-15 gets shut down in the summer for blowing dust. Many roads get shut down at times in the winter due to blowing snow. Seems more and more windmills for power are going up in the area.

If you are an outdoors person, SE Idaho has lots of activities. Do suggest you find something to do in the winter that is outside or you will go crazy just staying inside. Ski, snow machine or ice fishing.

Most people go out to the desert to shoot. Need to be careful as I remember it seemed every year someone was getting shot by stray rounds in areas closer to town. The Unified Sportsman Club in Rexburg, about 30 miles north of Idaho Falls, is a very nice facility with a 1000 yard range.
Great info, I really appreciate it !
Any opinion on raising a young family in that area? Schools and etc ?
 
Out of curiosity OP, why not Texas? You lived there before, right?
My heart will always be with Texas food , love me some Tx brisket and tacos ! About 20 years ago and before I could go shoot around the red River. Now no can do. I also lived near Houston tx about 15 yrs ago, and unfortunately there was no public land to hunt or shoot. Unless you have access to private land and know the land owner you don't have many outdoor hunting or shooting opportunities. It's also hot hot hot. I remember one summer it was above 100 degrees every day for over 2 months. No mountains and the population is growing faster than any other state and housing prices are high.
 
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Oregon would be good too if in the Republican part, anything around Portland has gotten gross.
Have you looked lately at their gun laws? They apply everywhere not just around Portland

The entire state is fucked
 
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I appreciate the knowledge. It is very similar with the Nashville housing market as well . I definitely would need to line up work before moving. Based on my research the cities top on my list for Wyoming would be Casper, Cody , Sheridan and Cheyenne. I would plan on renting before buying in hopes the housing market becomes more of a buyers market in 2024 with the presidential election coming up.
 
Idaho County or bust for myself. I remember dad shooting at that gun club, probably late 80s? All I did at that age was eat boogers and throw rocks at cars so I don’t remember it well. Seems like he had a 41 magnum or something. The paper mill sure smells good eh?
Smells like money being made.
 
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