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no offense to israel but some (r) idiot on fox news just said we support israel because they are our eyes and ears in the middle east.
uh, if they are our eyes and ears, it is no wonder our foreign policy has sucked for decades.
this is right up there with the afghanistan debacle.
uh, if they are our eyes and ears, it is no wonder our foreign policy has sucked for decades.
this is right up there with the afghanistan debacle.
Actually, Israel has 'tightened' relations with Russia in the last several years as the USG is hostile to them.
And my bet is that Israel is a "Cash and carry" supplier. I would bet a nice steak dinner that they aren't depleting their stockpiles. They are in overdrive making things for export while their exchequor is doing rather nicely on the cash coming in. This is something of a guess on my part. But I wouldn't bet against me.
^^^ See post below... I am wrong on this. Interesting correction. Industry has changed in the past decades, but good post below. And was interesting that "Israel's" stockpiles were actually American shells stored there for ME deployment. I figured all our stuff was in Diego Garcia on MPPS fleet. But we probably sold that to China. Anyway, read below for interesting stuff. I probably owe someone a steak!
Again, several years also passed while Bibi was in the wilderness, so to speak. This is what happens when you take your eye off the ball of military preparedness.
If you want peace, prepare for war. I doubt anyone gets this better than Israel.
Yup, they got sucker punched this morning. On their Sabbath. Kind of like Sunday Dec. 7th. When Pearl got hit our soldiers, sailors, Air Corps and Marines were in Church. Including on the decks of ships that were getting strafed, torpedoed and bombed. And in the Philippines. And on Guam.
Ok... they got sucker punched. Not really a great strategy for Japan, either, was it? As "Bull" Halsey said a couple of days later when he was sailing his carriers into Pearl and surveying the damage: "When this is over, the Japanese Language will be spoken only in Hell." And we came damn close to achieving that... and if we had not used the bombs, there would have been nothing left of Japan. We'd have lost another million Americans. But we would have exterminated Japan.
Their economic miracle and rise post-war was due to our humanity as a nation. Not due to our unwillingness to win the fight.
Sirhr
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God is talking to Abraham in Genesis 17:8. In this exact same chapter He rejects Ishmael as the bearer of the promise.
Genesis 17:8
And I will give to you and to your descendants after you the land where you live as a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
I think that counts as moral high ground.
I think he and Bender are high fiving and having drinks.
Blah blah, the people are getting restless, roll out the war propaganda, fund groups and create attacks around the globe so we can sell the need for more funding for projects and to line our pockets. Queue the aliens, y’all seen the ufo right? Blah blah, more elite people doing the same bullshit they’ve done for thousands of years. Can’t have the people working together...
I am open to correction that my premises are wrong.
Premise; This didnt happen without tehrans ok and involvement
If you consider that obvious then you have to consider that tehran would be full aware that Israels response would be significant and conclusive in regards to gaza. No matter what happens in gaza there is a much more significant force to the north of Israel under tehran control. One that Israel tried to nuetralize in 2006 with conventional military force and failed.
If premise one is considered true,
Did tehran do this just to watch gaza cease to exist without further action?
As I mentioned no one knows. This wasnt a few stray terrorists blowing up a bus of Israelis in Egypt. This was a well planned and well resourced military force. The merkvas and apaches didnt go boom all by themselves. By all accounts a large amount of hostages have been taken. That will be a ongoing pain and provocation. The 2006 war started over just two Israeli soldiers taken hostages.
We will know soon enough. If nothing happens to the north we can breathe a sigh of relief. If nothing happens in the north of Israel the status quo may well return. Sans gaza. IMO there is not really a return to the status quo now. Things have changed.
Premise; This didnt happen without tehrans ok and involvement
If you consider that obvious then you have to consider that tehran would be full aware that Israels response would be significant and conclusive in regards to gaza. No matter what happens in gaza there is a much more significant force to the north of Israel under tehran control. One that Israel tried to nuetralize in 2006 with conventional military force and failed.
If premise one is considered true,
Did tehran do this just to watch gaza cease to exist without further action?
As I mentioned no one knows. This wasnt a few stray terrorists blowing up a bus of Israelis in Egypt. This was a well planned and well resourced military force. The merkvas and apaches didnt go boom all by themselves. By all accounts a large amount of hostages have been taken. That will be a ongoing pain and provocation. The 2006 war started over just two Israeli soldiers taken hostages.
We will know soon enough. If nothing happens to the north we can breathe a sigh of relief. If nothing happens in the north of Israel the status quo may well return. Sans gaza. IMO there is not really a return to the status quo now. Things have changed.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith
The Biden administration’s now-suspended Iran envoy Robert Malley helped to fund, support, and direct an Iranian intelligence operation designed to influence the United States and allied governments, according to a trove of purloined Iranian government emails. The emails, which were reported on by veteran Wall Street Journal correspondent Jay Solomon, writing in Semafor, and by Iran International, the London-based émigré opposition outlet which is the most widely read independent news source inside Iran, were published last week after being extensively verified over a period of several months by the two outlets. They showed that Malley had helped to infiltrate an Iranian agent of influence named Ariane Tabatabai into some of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. government—first at the State Department and now the Pentagon, where she has been serving as chief of staff for the assistant secretary of defense for special operations, Christopher Maier.
obviously i don't really know, but imho these religious zealots don't care how many muslims are martyred. to them it is a gift they are giving.
if you're a true believer, your existence here is a tiny pat of your eternal life, and its soul purpose is to serve god and destroy infidels and blasphemers.
Y’all worried? Some of you seem worried! No, this was all planned, rest assured. No this was not some backyard homie putting this together.
I'd call that religion.
I thought it was “in your rear”.
I can only hope.......
We are so far of the rails....morally! We need an awakening.
It’s hard to read into these geopolitical events, but I believe the longer Israel’s response takes, the more violent, punitive and widespread it will be.
I am hoping it takes awhile if this is the case. Destroy the Palestinian State and decapitate Iran.
I am hoping it takes awhile if this is the case. Destroy the Palestinian State and decapitate Iran.
Of course @Maggot would be the one supporting a bunch of 8th century savages. Not sure what kind of special type of stupid you have to be to take the side of a bunch uncivilized, terrorist, muzzy, wastes of oxygen whos “religion” only came out 700 years after the death of Christ while Judaism has been around for 1000s of years and they have occupied the land long before the muzzies had any sort or claim to a rock.
Fair enough... and you are right about Roosevelt and Ibn Saud. Though their 'agreement' was more of a handshake and a promise by Roosevelt to look at options after the war outside Palestine. This was all part of maneuvering the U.S. into the best position to gain access to Saudi Oil following the war. Saud, BTW, suggested that Germany be 'de-populated' and that the Jews be given Germany. The USSR was not going to let that happen, as they wanted a buffer zone not a new state that would become a magnet for the Jewish people still in what would become the Iron Curtin. I tend to think that had Roosevelt lived, the 'handshake' would have fallen to realpolitik and Saud and his Arabs would have been placated or bought off. But Truman was not privy to any of it and his foreign policy errors were, well, many. He learned. But in 1947, he was busy trying to 'not' screw up and lose to Thomas Dewey or the resurgent post-war Republicans... and had his hands full.
And your description of the world's 'sympathy' is accurate. Though the Israeli's and the Zionists believed they had the moral high ground, given the situation and the fact that they did have the world's sympathies. So there is something of a linguistic argument... and a fair one.
But fact is, they could not settle 'anywhere.' Was the world going to settle them in South America? Maybe Madagascar where the Nazi's had proposed dumping them all before realizing that gas was cheaper than transport? Who else was going to get displaced?
The "Israelites" (and this was the basis of the Zionist movement -- a return to their traditional land in Palestine) had as much claim to the land as anyone. And the land was occupied by a lot of Jews along with Coptic Christians, Druse, Arabs , Greek Orthodox, and a host of other groups scattered there since before the Roman Empire. They were all minorities. AND they were all Palestinians -- of different faiths and, arguably, races.
I don't know what the percentage of each 'group' was in 1947, but they were probably all minorities, in that no group posessed a true pleibicite. Moreover, the new Israeli state did not expunge the other groups. They allowed the continued practice of other religions and sects and groups. The "Jewish" state included many non-Jews.
It was not until the '60's and the "Arab awakening" that suddenly a "Palestinian People" was invented that excluded everyone except Yassir Arafat and his ilk. Supported by other Arab nationalists and by American and European revisionist academics who suddenly got all concerned about the 'Palestinians." Who were largely also Marxists being used as pawns in the Cold War. Thus the fawning over them and their 'cause' by the American Left.
As anyone knows of the whole region since the time of the Caesers... "It's Complicated."
The sad part is that the place has been a strategic crossroads for millenia. And could be a global powerhouse in so many ways... trade, agriculture, tech, you name it. For everyone. But it's been a cesspool of conflict for pretty much all of recorded history. As one observer described it years ago... "the whole place is at the mercy of the least stable person at any given moment." The 'least stable person' has usually been an Arab activist (identifying as a made-up Palestinian) with a gun, bomb, grenade, rocket or hijacked plane.
Perhaps a "Pax Israel" can arise from the rubble. And methinks "Rubble" is about to become the number one commodity in parts of the region. If you could export rubble,, you could get very rich there! Maybe someone will come up with a way to package rubble as the solution to Global Warming or something. Sell it to vegans.
Cheers,
Sirhr
PS. I should have mentioned the Six Day War and Nassar/Syria. Both in the Soviet Sphere. After Israel handed them a stunning defeat, the 'underground' Arab identity movement gained ground. There are a couple of good documentaries detailing the failings of that attack and of Israel's reclaiming of Jeruselum... that IIRC was not part of the original state of Israel. From that disaster, the Arab Nationalist movement arose with all kinds of conspiracy theories and accusations... in part to assuage the psychological damage done to both Egypt and Syria after their devastating losses. And make no mistake... both those states were Soviet-supplied and supported. And Nassar, who initiated the war, was yet another member of the far left, along with being an Arab nationalist. Again... "It's Complicated."
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Amen
I bet our people got hamas to do this to take eyes off the communist / democrats and what they did / Are doing to this country economy etc
You summed up[p the whole mess with two words,
Its complicated.
Soon enough it will all resolve.
palestine? there is no such place.
that region was named palestinian syria by the romans, but only to fuck with the jews because it was their homeland and they and dared to revolt.
that region was named palestinian syria by the romans, but only to fuck with the jews because it was their homeland and they and dared to revolt.
That thar's a special type of stupid itself. At very least it shows a gross lack of knowledge of history.
Many Israelis support our American Republic's Constitution, but most American Jews are 'progressives'. So much irony.
Will we have anything left to defend ourselves. Bidens drained down our strategic oil supply, is giving away all are weapons and allowing foreign adversaries to pour into our country via the southern boarder. We are FUCKED!
Watch what happens if the US gets involved. Those border jumpers will spring into action.
Guess what will be high up on their target list of places and people to attack. Schools; especially private religious schools.
They think that by doing that, Americans will beg for peace, safety and mercy at any costs.
Remember Beslan?
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Why do you guys keep bringing up this kid? What did he do to the joos?
Wait who killed Christ?
PS - I really don't want to get into all that shit, just couldn't pass up the trope.
Lol, now yer professing a knowledge of history?
I find this comical coming from an aged pothead that believes Bikini Bottom is a real place.....
Perhaps Grant said it best, “From this point on there are only two parties, Patriots and Traitors.”
Aye.. spoken like a true scalawag servant of tyrants his damn self.
I gotta feeling this is about to blow the fuck up.
Go look at a map of the area.....now, look at it closer, think about it.
Iran be lookin to bust loose from the noose it has worn for the last 20-30 years or so
Iraq, yea, we were there for how long ? Aren't we still there to some extent ?
Afghanistan, yea, we were there for how long ? Aren't we still there to some extent ?
Turkey, yea, we be like all tight and shit, Insirlik or whatever...bro, howya doin ?
Kuwait, don't we fondle them like a 2nd pair of nuts or something ?
Paki with the waki tobacci ? We be tight like Kuwait, right ?
Egypt, Syria, Jordan ?
You know they want something to do, they always have.
Did I mention Libya ?
Not the most stable neighborhood no matter what.
Now.....how many untraceable stains on humanity have crossed the southern border in the last 2-3 years ?
Uh, yea.
You read it here first folks.
Bummer, right ?
Go look at a map of the area.....now, look at it closer, think about it.
Iran be lookin to bust loose from the noose it has worn for the last 20-30 years or so
Iraq, yea, we were there for how long ? Aren't we still there to some extent ?
Afghanistan, yea, we were there for how long ? Aren't we still there to some extent ?
Turkey, yea, we be like all tight and shit, Insirlik or whatever...bro, howya doin ?
Kuwait, don't we fondle them like a 2nd pair of nuts or something ?
Paki with the waki tobacci ? We be tight like Kuwait, right ?
Egypt, Syria, Jordan ?
You know they want something to do, they always have.
Did I mention Libya ?
Not the most stable neighborhood no matter what.
Now.....how many untraceable stains on humanity have crossed the southern border in the last 2-3 years ?
Uh, yea.
You read it here first folks.
Bummer, right ?
IIRC you have to pass a medical review both physical and mental and then you can get pretty much what you want. You have to meet certain things. I believe training is one, military service counts.
And just watch those untraceable stains wreak havoc like they are in Israel right now. And watch the same people that forced the jab and lockdowns on us tell us to shelter in place until they can stop the terrorists acts.
Those untraceable stains saw what ANTIFA and BLM got away with and they took note.
Buy more ammo.
Yer weak……
Meh, Life was pretty cheap to every religion or stripe back than.
It was Christ that came along and gave the individual value.
I look around now and see it's every religion and stripe that is pushing to de-evolve to that earlier time.
Woman Whose Body Was Seen in Back of Truck Identified as German Citizen Shani Louk - She Was Attending Peace Concert Near Gaza Border When Attacked by Hamas (GRAPHIC VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
The woman whose body was seen on video in the back of a truck earlier today driven by Palestinian terrorists to Gaza has been identified.
www.thegatewaypundit.com American spirit!
Wrong thread…
This belongs in the Injuns thread from earlier today!
They make much wumpum from un-taxed smokes. And casinos
Though other than not hijacking anything (since Alcatraz) or blowing stuff up much, they are sort of like the Palestinians. Just drunker and they eat a lot more pork.
Maybe they should have given the Palestinians casinos… to shut them up.
Sirhr
Woman Whose Body Was Seen in Back of Truck Identified as German Citizen Shani Louk - She Was Attending Peace Concert Near Gaza Border When Attacked by Hamas (GRAPHIC VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
The woman whose body was seen on video in the back of a truck earlier today driven by Palestinian terrorists to Gaza has been identified.
Irony has a way of showing up now and then…
A friend of mine was a Marine in the South Pacific during WWII. When I knew him he was a kindly, gentle, soft spoken elderly gentlemen.Woman Whose Body Was Seen in Back of Truck Identified as German Citizen Shani Louk - She Was Attending Peace Concert Near Gaza Border When Attacked by Hamas (GRAPHIC VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
The woman whose body was seen on video in the back of a truck earlier today driven by Palestinian terrorists to Gaza has been identified.
He told me that, one day, he and a few others found five dead Marines on Peleliu with their genitals cut off and shoved in their mouths.
Then he told me, "after that, I never took prisoners."
Let that sink in.
Wish we still had Americans with that sort of commitment.
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