Ukraine war Bullshit.

[lariat]

The recent Riyadh negotiations also had elements of trade between Russia and the US within its discussions. This could be an important move as it MAY be an attempt to move Russia away from China. Or pull an adversary closer economically where possible in order to make future conflict a harder decision. If Trump were to get a negotiated settlement of Ukraine and also give Russia some equitable trade that increases the GDP of both countries that may prove beneficial to all involved. We will never fully trust each other and there is still the rather huge issue of the arctic, but if meaningful mutual trade between military peers becomes the foundation that keeps conflict to a minimum that would be a logical path forward.

How China ultimately reacts is the wildcard. But that will have to come out in time and probably only if there exists a trade that impacts their GDP or international goals meaningfully.

https://theconversation.com/trumps-move-to-closer-ties-with-russia-does-not-mean-betrayal-of-ukraine-yet-in-his-first-term-trump-was-pretty-tough-on-putin-250359

 

[theLBC]

 

[lariat]

The sanctions stick didn't work out so maybe the carrot will.

US Treasury's Bessent Says Russia Could Win Sanctions Relief If Cooperative In Peace Talks | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[AZLong]

Your reading comprehension is way off or you are reading into my statements what you want me to say. I wasn't arguing about whether or not they were legally sovereign, and actually agreed with you on that singular aspect.

This is what started this.

sovereign

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And what I have been trying to get the OP, and subsequent interlopers to explain. And none have. Just a bunch of roll your own definitions of "soveriegn"

Whether or not they are sovereign has little to do with the situation as the end result is the same. The real issue is WHO they bow down to and WHY, as it is patently apparent that they cannot provide for themselves at this point. Without financial assistance Ukraine would collapse as a country. And if they are bowing they are not in control - that's the immediate point that everyone recognizes.

I was not, and am not now, debating the manner in which Zolensky governs, or the decisions he makes, how he comes to make them, or who does or does not influence those decisions. Quite frankly, I could not really care less.

 

[JAS-SH]

OK then, I started this thread on September 21 2024, 5-months ago almost to the day.

How's it going for Zelenski today? All it took was to get the Bidens out of the Ukraine! We the people Won! Big!

 

[GreenGO Juan]

OK then, I started this thread on September 21 2024, 5-months ago almost to the day.

How's it going for Zelenski today? All it took was to get the Bidens out of the Ukraine! We the people Won! Big!

Z man seems a bit in panic mode. Trump calling him out as the Dictator he has become. Big change from the Bidens and co using him as their lap dog.

Still are not there yet but seems to be taking massive strides in the right direction.

 

[232593]

Z man seems a bit in panic mode. Trump calling him out as the Dictator he has become. Big change from the Bidens and co using him as their lap dog.

Still are not there yet but seems to be taking massive strides in the right direction.

Listening to Tucker’s interview with Victor Orban I think we’ve past the point of no return WRT Russia. The worst case scenario that I read in multiple white papers published by CAC back in 2016 seems to be upon us now with now easy way out.

 

[lariat]

Listening to Tucker’s interview with Victor Orban I think we’ve past the point of no return WRT Russia. The worst case scenario that I read in multiple white papers published by CAC back in 2016 seems to be upon us now with now easy way out.

I'm not familiar with those papers. Can you give a 100k ft summary on what you are alluding to?

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Listening to Tucker’s interview with Victor Orban I think we’ve past the point of no return WRT Russia. The worst case scenario that I read in multiple white papers published by CAC back in 2016 seems to be upon us now with now easy way out.

WRT, with regard to?

I will check it out, listening to the Erik Prince interview posted a few posts back now.

 

[BobKaare]

Calling someone retarded, and in the same sentence accuse THEM of trolling. Classic. This should go in a dictionary.

You should probably put away the scrabble dictionary, and stop using all those big words that you don't understand anyway.
Just makes you more insufferable to engage with.

Please list all the countries that do not recognize the government of Ukraine as sovereign. And then list all the ones that do.

Do you believe a man in a dress is a woman and that men can also be pregnant?
Just because some cunts said they are, doesn't make it true.
Sovereignity isn't a fucking tulpa, you can't just think it into existence.
If you can't steer your own ship, you are NOT sovereign, that is the literal definition of sovereignity.
So yeah, I'll just call you retarded once again, since you clearly aren't as intelligent as you want to come off as.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

You should probably put away the scrabble dictionary, and stop using all those big words that you don't understand anyway.
Just makes you more insufferable to engage with.

Do you believe a man in a dress is a woman and that men can also be pregnant?
Just because some cunts said they are, doesn't make it true.
Sovereignity isn't a fucking tulpa, you can't just think it into existence.
If you can't steer your own ship, you are NOT sovereign, that is the literal definition of sovereignity.
So yeah, I'll just call you retarded once again, since you clearly aren't as intelligent as you want to come off as.

Have you noted that he hasn't given his definition of sovereign?

 

[GreenGO Juan]

This one? I have watched Tucker and Orban share views before, but this one seems new.

 

[EddieNFL]

Have you noted that he hasn't given his definition of sovereign?

British gold coin worth one pound sterling?

 

[AZLong]

Have you noted that he hasn't given his definition of sovereign?

Why would I have my own? I do understand why those here do, but that is the point...

 

[AZLong]

You should probably put away the scrabble dictionary, and stop using all those big words that you don't understand anyway.
Just makes you more insufferable to engage with.

Actually, you might want to pick one up. Any kind at all. Well, English anyway.

Do you believe a man in a dress is a woman and that men can also be pregnant?

What exactly does that have to do with anything? Nothing, but why start making sense now...

Just because some cunts said they are, doesn't make it true.

Actually, it really does.

Is Taiwan a sovereign country?

Skip the dictionary. read *something*

Sovereignity isn't a fucking tulpa, you can't just think it into existence.
If you can't steer your own ship, you are NOT sovereign, that is the literal definition of sovereignity.

Ok. Keep the dictionary. OMG

So yeah, I'll just call you retarded once again, since you clearly aren't as intelligent as you want to come off as.

I would expect nothing less. I am not "trying to come off" as anything. This world you have created in your mind seems to not mesh with reality well.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Why would I have my own? I do understand why those here do, but that is the point...

 

[BobKaare]

I lernd nu wurd, I smart
*Bunch of retarded faggotry*

Definition of SOVEREIGN

one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty; one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere; an acknowledged leader : arbiter… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Nations and states are also sometimes described as "sovereign." This means that they have power over themselves; their government is under their own control, rather than under the control of an outside authority.

Need a teaspoon for this?
Your definition doesn't matter, the clown can't even decide for himself when to take a shit without approval from his handlers, much less the fate of his nation.
Ukraine is NOT sovereign.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[Threadcutter308]

Fucking Assholes.

Zelensky needs to be in there. I have a suspicion that he will be in a similar predicament shortly.

edit; Like I said........

https://nypost.com/2025/02/20/us-news/zelenskys-friend-list-dwindling-in-the-trump-white-house-as-ukraine-russia-peace-talks-continue-best-case-is-that-he-leaves-to-france-immediately/

 

[232593]

This one? I have watched Tucker and Orban share views before, but this one seems new.

I believe so. I listened to the podcast but did not watch the video.

 

[AZLong]

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Yes. Of course.

 

[AZLong]

I like taking it up the ass til my gums bleed

Cute, eh?

 

[Terry Cross]

This one? I have watched Tucker and Orban share views before, but this one seems new.

I watched that a few days ago.
Orban is consistently on point with no BS facts that are very unpopular with a lot of the EU puke and most of the Western elites.

I know a bunch aren't happy with the fact that he pointed out the reality that the West fucked the pooch with Russia and turned them into the same orbit as China and company. Doubled down by saying it couldn't be fixed, at least not for decades.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I watched that a few days ago.
Orban is consistently on point with no BS facts that are very unpopular with a lot of the EU puke and most of the Western elites.

I know a bunch aren't happy with the fact that he pointed out the reality that the West fucked the pooch with Russia and turned them into the same orbit as China and company. Doubled down by saying it couldn't be fixed, at least not for decades.

He has some valid points, especially in the energy sector and migrations effect on culture.

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

lol, seems the influenced some fucking faggots that made their way to the bear pit.

 

[AZLong]

You should probably put away the scrabble dictionary, and stop using all those big words that you don't understand anyway.
Just makes you more insufferable to engage with.

Do you believe a man in a dress is a woman and that men can also be pregnant?
Just because some cunts said they are, doesn't make it true.
Sovereignity isn't a fucking tulpa, you can't just think it into existence.
If you can't steer your own ship, you are NOT sovereign, that is the literal definition of sovereignity.
So yeah, I'll just call you retarded once again, since you clearly aren't as intelligent as you want to come off as.

I guess Donny's envoy to Ukraine is a retard as well, perhaps he uses the same dictionary. Seems Donny and the US government recognize Ukraine's sovereignty...

'Part of my mission is to sit and listen' — Trump's envoy Kellogg arrives in Kyiv

Keith Kellogg, U.S. President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine, arrived in Kyiv on Feb. 19.

kyivindependent.com

Upon his arrival, the U.S. official said his mission was mainly to "listen" to Ukraine's concerns and relay his findings to the White House.

"We understand the need for security guarantees. We understand... the importance of the sovereignty of this nation," Kellogg said.

"Part of my mission is to sit and listen and see what your concerns are."

Trump escalates spat with Zelenskyy over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

As the rift between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy deepens, NBC News’ Molly Hunter reports on how it could affect the negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I guess Donny's envoy to Ukraine is a retard as well, perhaps he uses the same dictionary. Seems Donny and the US government recognize Ukraine's sovereignty...

'Part of my mission is to sit and listen' — Trump's envoy Kellogg arrives in Kyiv

Keith Kellogg, U.S. President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine, arrived in Kyiv on Feb. 19.

kyivindependent.com

Upon his arrival, the U.S. official said his mission was mainly to "listen" to Ukraine's concerns and relay his findings to the White House.

"We understand the need for security guarantees. We understand... the importance of the sovereignty of this nation," Kellogg said.

"Part of my mission is to sit and listen and see what your concerns are."

Trump escalates spat with Zelenskyy over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

As the rift between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy deepens, NBC News’ Molly Hunter reports on how it could affect the negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.

www.nbcnews.com

A yes, a paraphrase from a paper funded by USAID

Thanks for again proving what a fucking Tool you are.

Also saying you understand the importance of something, if he actually said it, doesn’t mean you have it.

Especially from a paper literally started with Foreign $ posing as Ukrainian.

I personally don’t trust a thing that came out of the fucking USAID program, especially with all the corruption that’s been been surfaced lately

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[AZLong]

A yes, a paraphrase from a paper funded by USAID

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Thanks for again proving what a fucking Tool you are.

Also saying you understand the importance of something, if he actually said it, doesn’t mean you have it.

Especially from a paper literally started with Foreign $ posing as Ukrainian.

I personally don’t trust a thing that came out of the fucking USAID program, especially with all the corruption that’s been been surfaced lately

You are getting beyond ridiculous. Not a paraphrase, it was a direct quote. The video of his statement is linked as well. You're going to get blisters grasping for those straws.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

You are getting beyond ridiculous. Not a paraphrase, it was a direct quote. The video of his statement is linked as well. You're going to get blisters grasping for those straws.

We understand… the importance of.

Looks like a paraphrase to me. And does not mean they have it.

Where is the video of him speaking linked? I don’t see it.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

And my hands are calloused, they don't blister.

 

[AZLong]

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We understand… the importance of.

Looks like a paraphrase to me. And does not mean they have it.

Where is the video of him speaking linked? I don’t see it.

THere are only 2 links. It is the NBC News

 

[GreenGO Juan]

And as I said from the start, understanding the importance and actually having it are 2 different things.

He is talking about Goals to achieve. Security, Sovereignty, etc. he is not saying they have them.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

And as I said from the start, understanding the importance and actually having it are 2 different things.

He is talking about Goals to achieve. Security, Sovereignty, etc. he is not saying they have them.

He's playing childish word games either for fun or because he can't admit that he's wrong or C he craves the attention.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

He's playing childish word games either for fun or because he can't admit that he's wrong or C he craves the attention.

Yeah, I know. I think its a little of all 3

 

[theLBC]

 

[375fan]

If this is true, which it probably is and I wouldn't be surprised by that, is another reason the US should not be sending any American money to Ukraine. It is a total waste to send American taxpayer money there!! Ukraine can not and will not win this war with Russia. The fact that Russia did not roll over Ukraine in the first two weeks of this war and is still going on after 2 years shows, IMO, that Russia is a paper tiger and no threat to us militarily.

 

[Lightning8]

If this is true, which it probably is and I wouldn't be surprised by that, is another reason the US should not be sending any American money to Ukraine. It is a total waste to send American taxpayer money there!! Ukraine can not and will not win this war with Russia. The fact that Russia did not roll over Ukraine in the first two weeks of this war and is still going on after 2 years shows, IMO, that Russia is a paper tiger and no threat to us militarily.

Or Russia is happy to attrit all the Ukraine military plus NATO and US arms and money

 

[AZLong]

And as I said from the start, understanding the importance and actually having it are 2 different things.

He is talking about Goals to achieve. Security, Sovereignty, etc. he is not saying they have them.

OMG

You will literally do backbends to change the meaning of a statement. "Sovereignty of this nation" means exactly that. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and it is important to remain that way, to not be absorbed by an invading country. I am unable to teach you english. Frankly, based on this, I doubt anyone is. This is the most simple minded post you have made to date. Wow. Congrats.

 

[Darayavaus]

All this bullshit about sovereignty and borders. it's like listening to some feudal medieval philosophers.

Our social contract refutes this bullshit. No one belongs to the state if they don't want it. You are not serfs to the duke or king. If necessary, citizens can create a new state which belongs to them.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

People decide where their borders will be and whether or not they want to be part of someone else's borders. Ukraine can get fucked because the moment they decided to trample over the people in Donbas (and Odessa and other places) they became illegitimate. And the pro-Russian independence movement kicked Kiev out.

 

[Edsel]

Stuff that we already know, for those who follow these things.

But a good review nevertheless.

Sticking it to the Europeans.

 

[sharac]

@Darayavaus this is probably best quote and post that encompasses entire human struggle on this planet and puts it in very simple perspective. You either accept and acknowledge those words from US (world) Constitution or you dont. But in latter case you are scum and should be put down for the sake of other good human beings.
Really boils down to it and mostly sick creatures, parasites and evil fucks want “state” to be always right and allmighty

 

[theLBC]

 

[232593]

Towards the end it gives an idea of what the Russian end state looks like.

 

[BCP]

This is like ww1 with the French trying to mob their way through German lines while artillery shelled stuff in the rear from time to time.

 

[232593]

Have a look at the map. I think that is Putin’s desired end state.

I don’t think he could achieve the desired end state in the South. All that DUT requires ALOT of resources.