Finding a wife
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When a newly married couple were in bed, the man asked, "How many men have you slept with in your life?"
After the question, the woman didn't respond.
The man asked again, "Just tell me, it's fine. How many men have slept with?"
His wife was still in total silence, just staring at the ceiling.
The man then said lovingly, "I'm sorry! I didn't mean to upset you. I just thought that we could trust each other. "
Still silence from his wife.
The man, giving up, said, "It's OK! Please don't be upset!"
Since the woman was still silent, the man started hugging and kissing her, showing his affection.
While he was doing this, his wife seemed to come to her senses, stopped looking at the ceiling, looked at him, and upset, told her husband, "dang it! You made me lose count!"
After the question, the woman didn't respond.
The man asked again, "Just tell me, it's fine. How many men have slept with?"
His wife was still in total silence, just staring at the ceiling.
The man then said lovingly, "I'm sorry! I didn't mean to upset you. I just thought that we could trust each other. "
Still silence from his wife.
The man, giving up, said, "It's OK! Please don't be upset!"
Since the woman was still silent, the man started hugging and kissing her, showing his affection.
While he was doing this, his wife seemed to come to her senses, stopped looking at the ceiling, looked at him, and upset, told her husband, "dang it! You made me lose count!"
said this many times and you are totally correct. "render unto Cesar". helps the gov get their piece and justifies using their lethal police power to force everyone to follow your controlling "moral" code. Islam being built on the combining of church and state. Christianity and Judaism use a 2 sided mutually supporting process to control the population and enrich both. "render unto Cesar" but let our huge churches and multiple property and financial holdings off tax free.
both gov and religion are all,and only,about control,control,control. i always thought that freedom OF religion should also include freedom FROM religion. that varies a lot of course over time and location.
And now for a musical interlude. For something to be funny, there has to be an element of truth to it. Consider that as you enjoy this musical composition on the pleasures of matrimonial bliss.
Even if the myth about married men living longer were true, I think I would opt for a shorter life of peace over a longer life of pain and suffering.
Lol. To be a human is to be a servant. To only serve yourself (cuz freedum) is the definition of immorality in all it's flavors (both Socratic and theological), and the view of a selfish child.
We choose to whom and what we serve, and THAT is liberty. If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. Pretend you aren't a slave all you want, but even if you simply follow your desires and deny yourself nothing in the name of freedum you are a slave to these urges and wants. You can't see the forest for the trees.
To be truly free is not to do whatever your urges may demand, but to choose to be a slave to something larger and more meaningful than yourself. I feel very sorry for you that this is nothing but gibberish to you, and hope that someday the scales will fall from your eyes and your blindness flees. You have a lot of growing up to do if you think governments and churches prevent people from being free, when they are the very things that provide liberty. Absent fixed mores and government the life and culture of the body politic is nothing but the strong ruling over the weak totalitarianism. It has never been my experience that the strong who are living in liberty pine for this. It is always the weak, who think they are strong, who want chaos and think they'll emerge as rulers. This is no different than the weak and stupid believing in communism, and that they will be among the oligarchs who own everything including all the people. They think will provide for their every need invariably end up in a menial job and perpetual poverty with no hope of ever bettering themselves.
Your comments have merit. However, I struggled for a reply with a good explanation for the difference between freedom and liberty. I have always known the difference but never thought of a way to explain it. Then I found the article linked below. They explain it better than I can. From the article:
"Liberty and freedom are often used interchangeably in the United States, but they have distinct meanings. Understanding the difference between the two concepts is important because it sheds light on the philosophical underpinnings of American society.
Liberty can be defined as the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views. It emphasizes the rights of individuals to be left alone and make their own choices without interference from the government or other institutions. The idea of liberty is enshrined in the United States Constitution, which guarantees a number of fundamental freedoms such as freedom of speech, religion, and the press.
Freedom, on the other hand, refers to the ability to act or think as one wants without being hindered by outside forces. It is often associated with the idea of self-determination and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom is a more general concept that can be applied to a wide range of activities, from economic freedom to personal freedom.
The distinction between liberty and freedom is important because it highlights the different ways in which these concepts are valued in American society. Liberty emphasizes the importance of individual rights and the limitations of government power, while freedom is more focused on the ability of individuals to pursue their own interests.
In practice, this can lead to different political ideologies and policies. Libertarians, for example, prioritize individual liberty and limited government intervention, while progressives may place greater emphasis on social and economic freedoms that allow individuals to achieve their potential.
The debate over the relative importance of liberty and freedom in American society is ongoing, and there are no easy answers. However, understanding the difference between these two concepts can help us to better appreciate the complex philosophical foundations of American democracy."
Liberty vs. Freedom: What's the difference? | United We Pledge
Liberty and freedom are often used interchangeably in the United States, but they have distinct meanings. Understanding the difference between the two conce ...
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More important in this discussion is what should people choose; freedom or liberty? If everyone were to choose freedom then there would be no restraints and leads to anarchy. Liberty on the other hand, emphasizes freedom while also respecting the rights of others. I choose liberty.
Maybe that's why Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death," instead of "give me freedom or give me death."
Now back to the subject matter of this thread. If a man gets married he loses both his freedom and his liberty.
The unitedwepledge explanation is spot on. I did not care to make a huge post and point out the distinction, but I am hyper aware of it, and I think if you'll reread #814 I have not used the two terms interchangeably, but rather have used the correct one for the distinction that I am making.
Choosing to serve your wife/family (extended family) has benefits and drawbacks like everything else. Choosing to serve your workplace and coworkers is the same. Choosing to serve your country the same. It is as profound and as stark as the difference between running down the stairs on Christmas Morning to see what gifts Santa has brought you, to standing back and watching your own children opening presents. Which one you think is better is entirely a function of wisdom and priorities.
I am pretty sure that by most of the metrics, people "say" they care about, married people eclipse single people by a wide margin. However, again missing the forest for the trees when considering things like gross accumulated wealth, life expectancy, etc. and discounting the less tangible by trying to make a scientific argument about quantifiable benefits. I can't prove satisfaction, comfort, acceptance of my authority within my family, and certainly not love, but pretending these don't exist is to fundamentally misunderstand the choices and relationships vis a vis "serving" and being without responsibility.
Seems like the same people who think faith and laws are systemic oppression and slavery are the same ones who think anything not created and invented after 1990 is myth, superstition, and invalid. These would be the same people who discount experience and wisdom in favor of what wikipedia sez, or that can be searched on Google.
People who have children who they raised successfully in a stable family have also achieved immortality in a physical way that those who do not simply don't and can't understand. When you are no longer the most important person in the world, but live for your children who are part of you, their living beyond you is an incredible blessing and is incredibly comforting leaving out the disposition of your soul entirely. If they don't it is completely crushing in a way that is impossible to convey or understand, and trying is useless.
It is not an accident that leftism/wokism/communism...the panoply of empty ideologies on the left that promise freedom through submission to the state, hate the Christian religion and elevating law above the government. We are watching in real time as the Judiciary betrays the constitution in favor of political and activism over principal. THIS is the only real constitutional crisis in at least the last 50 years, and it is a dire one that Jefferson warned could lead to our destruction. For those who reject social norms and precedent, this is literally all that held it together for almost 250 years, and without that we are certainly going down.
Choosing to serve your wife/family (extended family) has benefits and drawbacks like everything else. Choosing to serve your workplace and coworkers is the same. Choosing to serve your country the same. It is as profound and as stark as the difference between running down the stairs on Christmas Morning to see what gifts Santa has brought you, to standing back and watching your own children opening presents. Which one you think is better is entirely a function of wisdom and priorities.
I am pretty sure that by most of the metrics, people "say" they care about, married people eclipse single people by a wide margin. However, again missing the forest for the trees when considering things like gross accumulated wealth, life expectancy, etc. and discounting the less tangible by trying to make a scientific argument about quantifiable benefits. I can't prove satisfaction, comfort, acceptance of my authority within my family, and certainly not love, but pretending these don't exist is to fundamentally misunderstand the choices and relationships vis a vis "serving" and being without responsibility.
Seems like the same people who think faith and laws are systemic oppression and slavery are the same ones who think anything not created and invented after 1990 is myth, superstition, and invalid. These would be the same people who discount experience and wisdom in favor of what wikipedia sez, or that can be searched on Google.
People who have children who they raised successfully in a stable family have also achieved immortality in a physical way that those who do not simply don't and can't understand. When you are no longer the most important person in the world, but live for your children who are part of you, their living beyond you is an incredible blessing and is incredibly comforting leaving out the disposition of your soul entirely. If they don't it is completely crushing in a way that is impossible to convey or understand, and trying is useless.
It is not an accident that leftism/wokism/communism...the panoply of empty ideologies on the left that promise freedom through submission to the state, hate the Christian religion and elevating law above the government. We are watching in real time as the Judiciary betrays the constitution in favor of political and activism over principal. THIS is the only real constitutional crisis in at least the last 50 years, and it is a dire one that Jefferson warned could lead to our destruction. For those who reject social norms and precedent, this is literally all that held it together for almost 250 years, and without that we are certainly going down.
Our constitution is the greatest governing document ever created. The problem with it is that some people don't follow it.
God created marriage, the greatest institution in the world. The problem is that women and governments don't follow the rules that He spelled out for us.
Until the 19th amendment is repealed and we take feminist judges off the bench in family courts, and abolish the financial incentives women have for divorce, I will remain opposed to marriage.
God created marriage, the greatest institution in the world. The problem is that women and governments don't follow the rules that He spelled out for us.
Until the 19th amendment is repealed and we take feminist judges off the bench in family courts, and abolish the financial incentives women have for divorce, I will remain opposed to marriage.
While good, it was far from perfect and until amended a bunch of times was actually probably about as bad to live under as the British.
Even with that, the writers thought themselves "good folks" and didn't understand they would eventually be "not great" and those that came after them would be "even more not great". They didn't have either the courage or the foresight (but probably the courage or selflessness) to have taken care of a bunch of stuff that later on cost a lot of violence, bloodshed or suffering to fix.
Folks pining for "the good old days" don't have a clue as to how good you have civil rights today compared to almost any other xxx point in the history of this country.
Have a buddy that may have dated her mother for a few years. She had the same eyes, and demeanor.
Although this was obviously staged but is definitely art imitating life. In one form or another, women do this to men all the time.
Oh yeah, the government takes 45% of my annual income in taxes. Property taxes for eternity. When else did we have it so good?
They take more than that!
Women.......women will take your house, your car, your savings, your kids, and your soul! Taxes are way cheaper!
Yes, but its the prime reason one needs to be very careful about saying yes. Marrying for arm candy (aka tits or ass) or cash is a sure fire way to lose everything. The true definition of Divorce, is the fucking you get for the fucking you got.
If you marry for money you end up earning every cent...
Well right after the end of the revolutionary war the greedy bastard politicians in the big cities decided they needed to pay the bankers and foreign kings in a hurry and decided to do figure out how to outdo the British in their evil stamp taxes and go tax all the dirt poor destitute farmers on having the means of production to process their crops into things that could be transported to the cities for sale.
Didn't matter if they were too broke, or had no crops, pay up or men with guns will come for you and your family.
And when the farmers said no...
Oh the government raised an army to go put the boots to them and threaten to slaughter anyone who resisted the new tyrannical taxes.
Also you are mixing up taxation with civil liberties and rights.
Well remember all those stupid politicians people voted for and all that load of garbage about "but it's for the good of the children" or "it's for patriotic defense" or "it's to help those virtuous poor" stuff that so many "good folks" get on their knees and slurp down? Oh right that's how they got you for all those taxes.
Yep.
See Whiskey Rebellion 1794, and the kicker is that old G.W. was a distiller himself.
Of course, if you go to Mt. Vernon these days, there is a whole wall dedicated to "George Washington...the abolitionist"
I used to believe that but I've known plenty of guys who married women they've known for years and years and six months after marriage she changes. Until you're married you don't know.
That is because he did not vet or test her 100% before saying yes. Once you have a life long prospect, only then does true testing begin. Hint, If she will sleep with you before saying yes, your wife finding radar better be in afterburner. If you would/could not trust her with your bank account, that's another clue. The other thing most miss is you are not only marrying her and her baggage, hiding in that baggage is her whole family & friends. Those people & her interactions with them, will tell you more about her than you realize if you read between the lines,...
In our Church having sex before marriage is kind of a big sin, we even get asked about it regularly.
So if anyone is willing to do that well, they are not great... But also going and asking or trying to persuade someone you are dating or is your fiancé to have sex before marriage is kind of considered a pretty big bad thing as well and pretty much will get you kicked to the curb and pretty much blacklisted in social settings or if anyone is asking around about who might be good to consider as a potential spouse.
But even with the rules that are fairly enforced and obeyed about no sex outside marriage, plenty of women still go getting a divorce for various reasons such as "falling out of love" or whatever they come up with.
In my case, at my age range, it's pretty much impossible to find any decent women that have not been married before.
So I kind of start going through the of divorces or widowing events, and finding out by talking to those who are in the know about it, (or even the parties themselves) why it happened and how it went down.
I'd say if you really wanted to know what someone is like at their worst, find out what they were like during a divorce or probate court battle.
If you find out what a woman was like during a divorce, chances are that's a good sign of what she is truly like.
I used to think that way but life has shown me otherwise. Until you're sitting there married with the mortgage and the kids and all the stress and other shit you don't know exactly what the other person will do. Sometimes people who are shitbags will shape up and sometimes people who are solid fall apart.
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