Francis picked him and placed him to vet/select Bishops. He's more or less a centrist but with progressive views so the worst of both worlds.
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Francis picked him and placed him to vet/select Bishops. He's more or less a centrist but with progressive views so the worst of both worlds.
5th.
Francis did select him for some things Don't know if he's as close to Francis' mantra, but we'll see.
Well, the new pope is at least American born. Not that I care about Catholicism, but hey it's news at least. Christ is King!
Obedience! Not works. God does the work Through the NAME of Jesus and HE does the work not YOU! You can not be saved by works but you can be saved by obeying! Acts 2:38 is the key and again this is a promise to you and your kids and so on.
The Catholic Church was created from Pagan religions . No the FATHER SON AND SPIRIT are NOT 3 seperate beings in the form of man. No mother mary or hail mary for that matter... The Council of Nicaea is where Baptism was changed and the Deity in 3 seprate beings which the bible does not support.I disagree. Jesus taught to respect hierarchy as it is God's will to appoint leaders and kings over you (also his will to overthrow and end them). Who he despised were any who claimed righteousness or holiness, and used that falseness to claim power.
Paul has quite a bit to say about Christians criticizing other Christians and judging their practices and/or their souls. All Catholic Dogma is rooted in the Bible. It's just that huge parts of it have been erected over time by the church based on small phrases that are mis/over interpreted, IMHO. Most of the Catholic practices that we/I don't believe in are there for the purpose of focusing the congregant on Jesus. There is also a good reason that many Christians avoid these wrote practices, because they can become so routine that instead of focusing on Jesus the ritual itself becomes the point. They are a double edged sword, but the longevity of the Catholic Church would suggest that they are effective if not strictly biblical. The funniest one is the whole fish on Friday thing, because Paul actually uses that as an example of how Christians are specifically not to criticize each other's differing practices. So while I am not a Catholic I have deep respect for their church, and the faith in Jesus of Catholics. Yea, they do a lot of things I don't agree with, but saying they are not Christians is simply ignorance of what it means to be a Christian, and you could just as easily cast the same stones at half the people sitting in the pews in your own church... so just don't. You are commanded not to by Jesus Christ.
Catholics are fully Christian. Anyone who says they aren't is the real blasphemer.
This guy was pretty smart and knew the Bible. Don't listen to me, listen to him:
Billy Graham: 3 Warning Signs That a Church Is Actually a Cult
There are three important questions to consider when determining whether or not a church is actually a cult, according to the Rev Billy Grahamwww.christianpost.com
1 God Father of all in you all.
Jesus said the Father was in him and he in the Father. He also said I and the Father are 1. Ephesians says 1 body and 1 spirit ( which makes a corporal being). Catholicism wasnt around during the new testament or old testament.... Fabrication of Deity...
Catholics are fully Christian. Anyone who says they aren't is the real blasphemer. Who is the Father the Father of? The Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary and she conceived ( that makes the Holy Ghost the Father) So who ius the Father the Father of? Ill wait.
Pm if you would like.
Wut? That's simply not true. Jesus referred to God as his or The "father", and to himself as the Son; see the "I AM" statements (liar, lunatic, or Lord). I don't understand what you are trying to get at.
What Catholics believe is virtually identical to what protestants believe.
If they didn't I agree it would be a big problem. Who told you they don't believe in the Trinity?
You need to get out your bible and read what Paul has to say to some Romans about differences on all the bullshit vs the big things.
We'll have the discussion public so maybe other people can learn something. Not that I'm some great theologian, but I've lived with Catholics my whole life. You can't swing a dead cat where I live and not hit one.
What Catholics believe is virtually identical to what protestants believe.
The Trinity: A Catholic Explanation of Father, Son and Holy Spirit
The Trinity is a central Dogma in the Catholic faith. Here is an explanation of how the Catholic Church understands the Trinity in an easy to understand way
www.aboutcatholics.com
If they didn't I agree it would be a big problem. Who told you they don't believe in the Trinity?
You need to get out your bible and read what Paul has to say to some Romans about differences on all the bullshit vs the big things.
We'll have the discussion public so maybe other people can learn something. Not that I'm some great theologian, but I've lived with Catholics my whole life. You can't swing a dead cat where I live and not hit one.
The Trinity never existed before the council of nicaea. The Trinity does not exist. There is only one God his name is Jesus.Wut? That's simply not true. Jesus referred to God as his or The "father", and to himself as the Son; see the "I AM" statements (liar, lunatic, or Lord). I don't understand what you are trying to get at.
What Catholics believe is virtually identical to what protestants believe.
The Trinity: A Catholic Explanation of Father, Son and Holy Spirit
The Trinity is a central Dogma in the Catholic faith. Here is an explanation of how the Catholic Church understands the Trinity in an easy to understand waywww.aboutcatholics.com
If they didn't I agree it would be a big problem. Who told you they don't believe in the Trinity?
You need to get out your bible and read what Paul has to say to some Romans about differences on all the bullshit vs the big things.
We'll have the discussion public so maybe other people can learn something. Not that I'm some great theologian, but I've lived with Catholics my whole life. You can't swing a dead cat where I live and not hit one.
Plz explain again to me who the trinity exists in the Bible. The word is not in the Bible and there is the SPIRIT of the Old Testament and a body in the New Testament . Very simple.. since we are made in his image GODS? How could we be made in the image of God? God is a spirit. So when that baby was born of the HolyGhost (Father). Is. Is tranferred by the blood of the male (Adam). The babies blood comes from the Dad and Adam’s sin was passed down.
Eph 4:4-6 one body (like you with flesh and spirit).
2 Corinth 5:19 God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.. hmm God the spirit was in Christ?
Who the hell was Jesus praying to and talking to? Saying Jesus is God, but there was no God in Heaven when he was on earth, and not believing that the holy spirit that is also part of makes you what?
For me “The Trinity” is a way to explain something in a not wrong way, but certainly not a complete understanding by any stretch. But it doesn’t have to make perfect scientific sense, because a lot of it doesn’t.
Since you know more than any Christian theologians (these aren’t my original ideas, ha) explain to me how God is outside of time? When you can explain that I’ll explain precisely how God can be in more than one place and be perceived by us as more than one being.
I suspect that you think this is clever, and only you are a true Christian because you only consider Jesus God, but to me it’s a distinction without a difference, and it isn’t supported, because sometimes two things that would seem to conflict can both be true, and that’s one of the keys to glimpsing part of the answer to some of these mysteries.
But, I’m glad you think anyone who believes in or thinks about it in terms of a Trinity isn’t a Christian, because that only puts you in the cult. Not the largest and oldest sect of Christians.
Adam’s sin IS consciousness, or self awareness if you will. The fruit in the garden was on "The Tree of Knowledge". It’s our understanding of good and evil, like God understood it, not some physical pathogen in blood. Satan even tells Eve that she can be like God if she eats! Our original sin is our loss of innocence and the ability to choose evil over good when we (even innately) know the difference.
You need to go to Bible Study.
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Also Remember that All are sinners and no one is good. Paul said when he would do good evil is present. in the old testament the tabernacle plan was the plan of salvation... so please explain the tabernacle if you would and what each item represented and that the world was separated from god by the veil .... The vail was rent and broken (like his flesh) and the Holiest of holies was done away with. If you start with the Sacrifice and the washing of the sacrifice then you will have a good start on salvation..
Cult lol.. Speaking from experience or Out your backside? lol
Jesus was showing us how to Pray. Our Father which is in heaven and so on. What does the first scriptures say.. God Created the Earth and Heavens after the Council of his own will.
So when Jesus said he was hungry? Tired? The Flesh talking not the spirit as the spirit doesnt get tired. The flesh (body of the new testament). Spirit of the old. The Old testament was a school master to bring us to Christ.
In the Beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the Word was God. The word is the Spirit of God.
So please explain where are all the parts ? Father Son and Holy Ghost... We can start with the Titles of God.. No Name is given in the old Testament and the name was whispered to the high priest before the old on passed....
So please Show me in the bible where the Trinity exist? When it says there is one body and one spirit... Are you saying its different than what the bible says? One body and one spirit.
So we can start with the basics. Who is The Father the father of what?
How do you reconcile that God was manifest in the flesh and justified in the spirit seen of angels and preached unto the gentiles... So where was God manifested in the Spirit? How was God in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. How was God in Christ? (the Spirit). Simple
I understand that there's nuances and reasons why people are otherwise 'excited' having the 1st Cardinal elected Pope from the US but... idk- guess the responsible answer is to give it time and see if it's of any value to what I'm interested in personally over time.
I'm just a bit surprised that the new Pope was selected as quickly as he was (more so than him being from the US).
-LD
I'm just a bit surprised that the new Pope was selected as quickly as he was (more so than him being from the US).
-LD
The word trinity isn’t in the Bible, because it is just a word that means a way of thinking about the God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, who are all in the Bible as distinct, yet ARE one. Apprarently you can’t hold two seemingly contradictory things in your mind that are both true, meaning you will never progress in wisdom past where you are.
Just as you think the name of God is some secret only your cult knows, making you the only true Christians.
Paul has a lot to say about people like you. Jehovah’s witness is exactly where you belong.
Just as you think the name of God is some secret only your cult knows, making you the only true Christians.
Paul has a lot to say about people like you. Jehovah’s witness is exactly where you belong.
What is the Westminster Confession of Faith?
To determine if your beliefs are actually biblical, and that you are indeed a "Christian" i.e. believer in Christ, believer in the Bible without adding or subtracting anything, and follower of His Church, they came up with this in the 15th century. It is an excellent distillation of Biblical truth, and remains an excellent yard stick by which to measure your understanding of the Bible and your own faith. Coming up with your own theology, after it's been studied for more than a thousand years, is no better idea than inventing your own moral code. It simply has the worst possible track record of any idea man ever had. The WMCF certainly doesn't answer any mysteries or solve any disagreements about minutia among the sects of Christianity, but it does put forth those basic beliefs, that are very clear in the Bible, that all versions of the Christian faith have in common. There are and always have been non-Christian cults that use the Bible and the name of Jesus to justify their teaching, and the WMCF is a good place to start to identify them, because all of them mix apostacy with the truth to mislead you.
The Trinity is a doctrine, or a way of thinking about the Bible. The idea of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is fraught with mystery. It's just a way of thinking about the concepts the bible puts forth as truth, while organizing them in a simple and easy way to understand, what we are not capable of understanding in this reality, that is "not wrong".
Short Version of the Catechism
It is very safe to say that if you don't agree with these central tenants you are not a "Christian". You may be something close to one, or approximating one, but you clearly don't understand or believe in the words written in the Bible. The Catholics believe stuff that I don't believe, but it is because they have chosen to consider some verse of the Bible literally rather than figuratively, and probably vice versa. On the big things "we" all agree. Were my understating to change slightly I could easily become a Catholic. As it is I'm very comfortable with the small amount of wisdom I've been graced with, and consider them my brothers in Christ, as they consider me. Same thing for almost every main line or evangelical church.
Sometimes people think The Bible is an engineering manual or a wiring diagram. To read it that way is to almost automatically misunderstand and misinterpret it. It's not an engineering manual. It is full of deeper meaning but written simply so any goat herder can understand the basics. I like to say that in the deeper mysteries, like explaining how a being can be in three places at once, or outside of time, the words the Bible uses are not wrong, but certainly don't try to explain it using quantum physics or string theory. These are mysteries, and intentionally so. Shallow enough so that you won't drown, and deep enough so that you can never find the bottom. It's a symphony, and you have to teach yourself to read music to understand it. We have to have faith that after this reality is over for us, and we're no longer confined to The Fourth Dimension, we will understand completely. The choice is to be in the presence of God, or to be separated from Him.
To determine if your beliefs are actually biblical, and that you are indeed a "Christian" i.e. believer in Christ, believer in the Bible without adding or subtracting anything, and follower of His Church, they came up with this in the 15th century. It is an excellent distillation of Biblical truth, and remains an excellent yard stick by which to measure your understanding of the Bible and your own faith. Coming up with your own theology, after it's been studied for more than a thousand years, is no better idea than inventing your own moral code. It simply has the worst possible track record of any idea man ever had. The WMCF certainly doesn't answer any mysteries or solve any disagreements about minutia among the sects of Christianity, but it does put forth those basic beliefs, that are very clear in the Bible, that all versions of the Christian faith have in common. There are and always have been non-Christian cults that use the Bible and the name of Jesus to justify their teaching, and the WMCF is a good place to start to identify them, because all of them mix apostacy with the truth to mislead you.
The Trinity is a doctrine, or a way of thinking about the Bible. The idea of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is fraught with mystery. It's just a way of thinking about the concepts the bible puts forth as truth, while organizing them in a simple and easy way to understand, what we are not capable of understanding in this reality, that is "not wrong".
Short Version of the Catechism
It is very safe to say that if you don't agree with these central tenants you are not a "Christian". You may be something close to one, or approximating one, but you clearly don't understand or believe in the words written in the Bible. The Catholics believe stuff that I don't believe, but it is because they have chosen to consider some verse of the Bible literally rather than figuratively, and probably vice versa. On the big things "we" all agree. Were my understating to change slightly I could easily become a Catholic. As it is I'm very comfortable with the small amount of wisdom I've been graced with, and consider them my brothers in Christ, as they consider me. Same thing for almost every main line or evangelical church.
Sometimes people think The Bible is an engineering manual or a wiring diagram. To read it that way is to almost automatically misunderstand and misinterpret it. It's not an engineering manual. It is full of deeper meaning but written simply so any goat herder can understand the basics. I like to say that in the deeper mysteries, like explaining how a being can be in three places at once, or outside of time, the words the Bible uses are not wrong, but certainly don't try to explain it using quantum physics or string theory. These are mysteries, and intentionally so. Shallow enough so that you won't drown, and deep enough so that you can never find the bottom. It's a symphony, and you have to teach yourself to read music to understand it. We have to have faith that after this reality is over for us, and we're no longer confined to The Fourth Dimension, we will understand completely. The choice is to be in the presence of God, or to be separated from Him.
You seem to believe in the deception
that your salvation hinges on what you believe about the trinity doctrine. You will be proven wrong either in this life or when you stand before the righteous judge. Salvation is given by grace alone, through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone for the glory of God alone.
It would be much better for you if you discover your errors in this life and seek to make corrections. Go to Christ in true meek repentance and He will in no wise turn you away. Or continue in your current direction and be one of those to whom He says "... I never knew you."
I was given a bunch of gifts for my birthday.
I did nothing to deserve them, they were gifts.
I did nothing to accept them or apply them to myself (one of them smells like aftershave).
They sit on the living room floor, unwrapped, untouched.
Do they do anything for me? Are they really mine?
If I don't unwrap them and do something with them, do I really appreciate the gifts?
What do the gift givers think of my lack of appreciation?
Should I expect any more gifts?
I did nothing to deserve them, they were gifts.
I did nothing to accept them or apply them to myself (one of them smells like aftershave).
They sit on the living room floor, unwrapped, untouched.
Do they do anything for me? Are they really mine?
If I don't unwrap them and do something with them, do I really appreciate the gifts?
What do the gift givers think of my lack of appreciation?
Should I expect any more gifts?
You didn’t read anything, and while you’re right about salvation you are a child in your faith, and in my experience it will wither and die if it doesn’t grow with wisdom. None are more blind. Good luck with your own made up theology.
@CaptNkllm, who obviously has The Gift of Proselytization, and cleaves to the passage, "Go forth as an doctor of Christian theology (even though you've barely read the Bible), refusing to look deeper than your own made up theology. Reject any wisdom and knowledge that came before you, replacing it with your own ignorant interpretations and feelings, and claim that you know Christ better than anyone else, so that only you may enter the kingdom of Heaven."
Man, it really bothers me when people who don't know shit bag on Christianity, but it really is about a thousand times worse from someone claiming wisdom and holiness whose mouth is an open grave and drives people away from Christ with bullshit like this idiot.
Maybe there is a hiarchy of sin, because I imagine this asshat pisses Jesus off something fierce!
Man, it really bothers me when people who don't know shit bag on Christianity, but it really is about a thousand times worse from someone claiming wisdom and holiness whose mouth is an open grave and drives people away from Christ with bullshit like this idiot.
Maybe there is a hiarchy of sin, because I imagine this asshat pisses Jesus off something fierce!
You're not clever. Accusing other Christians of being apostates for basic biblical truths and basic theology does not come from God. Mixing apostacy with truth is a trick you did not learn from Jesus. You need to read, and go to a bible study led by someone mature in their faith before you try to correct other people with your own made-up theology and drive people away from Christ. You are not doing the Lord's work AT ALL. You're right. The discussion is over because you're immature, ignorant, and a lost cause. Worse, you are boring. There is no point anymore.
