Worked out pretty well for the CZ Barrels.
I'd probably be in for a pre-order too. Really wanna see how it compares to the Vudoo.
L3i New "Stinger" Barreled action
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Worked out pretty well for the CZ Barrels.
I'd probably be in for a pre-order too. Really wanna see how it compares to the Vudoo.
Are you going to be offering a rechambering service/option on your earlier production barrels? I recall reading the new chamber won't be quite as tight as the one originally used on the CZ barrels.
I think there might be an option for it but not till we finish all our testing with the new reamer to see what differences there are
Most owners experienced with 700 pattern custom 22LRs have had to become low key rifle “tuners” to get them running smoothly with even 1 type of mag, let alone several brands. I know from experience. For prospective owners, a barreled action with mag, already tuned to the specific chassis would go a long way. Otherwise manufacturers open themselves up to a lot of online criticisms when $2500+ “builds” run like shit because the new owner is not an amateur gunsmith. I think that’s why CZ builds and Bergaras are still so prevalent. My Duece is accurate, and becoming smoother as I get more experienced with tuning, initial ownership experience has not alway been joyful, considering the cost.
I made many pre-fits for the Vudoo, not a hard thing to do and without timing threads. About half of my Vudoo's were barreled without the host action in hand.
MB
Who made you a prefit without the Vudoo in hand? Was is from a smith who had your action in hand before and had the measurements on file?
Sorry, I read your original post wrong. I thought you had someone else make prefits for you
Actions back then must have been spot on compared to the last 4 years or so.
I can't speak to the state of things after I left, but I can imagine the direction things could've gone. But having said that, pre-fits for the Vudoo were never as difficult as they were made out to be.
MB
A year or two ago one guy had built a few/several of the PTG repeaters , he stated that the timing was good enough that he thought the barrels could be swapped or that he had swapped them successfully , he also mentioned that he thought it would not be a problem to do a prefit on them ,,,,,, iirc ,,,,,, and that is in a PTG ,,,,,, I had often wondered about the vudoo and why you could not do a prefit on them if the timing or tolerances were that far off , great info
Maybe tolerances have changed , it has been almost 3 years ago , please read their experiences before saying anything to me
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PTG 40x repeater action
Has anyone gotten one yet? Looks like the have a single shot and a repeater version Im curious to know how well they shoot and what mags are used. I do know they have a bad rep on customer service but just curious on how the action performs. A guy on FB posted some pictures of the action ge...
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Maybe tolerances have changed , it has been almost 3 years ago , please read their experiences before saying anything to me
PTG 40x repeater action
Has anyone gotten one yet? Looks like the have a single shot and a repeater version Im curious to know how well they shoot and what mags are used. I do know they have a bad rep on customer service but just curious on how the action performs. A guy on FB posted some pictures of the action ge...
I have read this entire thread. I worked with Dave on these actions by giving him a lot of feedback, he has made good use of some of that information. We went another direction with our action.
sounds good, I’m ready to pre order.
We were doing durability and wear testing so we ran about 850 rounds of Federal Auto match through it (for the sake of cost), we did not group it. This particular barrel was damaged during the rifling process so we used it for a first article on the tenon design. Our stinger barrels are made from the same profiled blanks as our CZ barrels and are finished at 24” in length.
We plan on making some on the next round of actions. It will probably be around the December timeframe.
I probably missed it somewhere in this thread, but are the blanks made in house? If not who’s are they? Button or cut? Rifling style? Straight bore diameter or choked / tapered & if they are choked are they crowned at the choke? Will you be offering different barrel contours and lengths?
They are not made in house, we closely partner with a barrel manufacturer to produce them to our specifications. They are a button cut 6R rifling profile made from 416 Stainless. They are vacuum stress relieved and lead lapped. They are a straight bore with a 11 degree crown. They are manufactured on modern CNC machines to exacting tolerances and air gaged to ensure conformance. We are offering one contour and one length at this time. Our barrels are proven performers!
Thank you, I am impatiently waiting to order a barreled action LOL!!
As am I 
My Cz 457 barrel is so good that I don’t shoot my Vudoo any more.
My Cz 457 barrel is so good that I don’t shoot my Vudoo any more.
Prefit barrels while still being able to fine tune headspace is what lots of guys are excited about when we showed it to the local clubs.
I'll be back next year, hopefully they'll actually be in stock by then... 
Please don't fall into the trap of pre-orders. Lots of guys will push for them because they want to be in the front of the line. All it does is stress the public perception of your company and get those people angered every time a deadline comes and goes.
The most frustrating thing dealing with customers is having a vendor or sub-contractor miss a deadline, shuffling the entire project back, and having to email 1000 people telling them "sorry, we failed, keep waiting..."
If you don't have 100% manufacturing in house where you can personally put it as a priority, pre-orders usually fail.
Please don't fall into the trap of pre-orders. Lots of guys will push for them because they want to be in the front of the line. All it does is stress the public perception of your company and get those people angered every time a deadline comes and goes.
The most frustrating thing dealing with customers is having a vendor or sub-contractor miss a deadline, shuffling the entire project back, and having to email 1000 people telling them "sorry, we failed, keep waiting..."
If you don't have 100% manufacturing in house where you can personally put it as a priority, pre-orders usually fail.
I'll be back next year, hopefully they'll actually be in stock by then...
Please don't fall into the trap of pre-orders. Lots of guys will push for them because they want to be in the front of the line. All it does is stress the public perception of your company and get those people angered every time a deadline comes and goes.
The most frustrating thing dealing with customers is having a vendor or sub-contractor miss a deadline, shuffling the entire project back, and having to email 1000 people telling them "sorry, we failed, keep waiting..."
If you don't have 100% manufacturing in house where you can personally put it as a priority, pre-orders usually fail.
I guess it comes down to how you define a pre-order. If you buy a barreled action and it has a 3-12 month lead time, IMO you pre-ordered it. We don't plan on selling anything until we have all of the functional parts in hand. With a small business like ours it is very difficult to sit on the amount of inventory it takes to bring something like this to market without having a capital investor. We are doing everything out of pocket to make this project work because we know the amount of headaches involved in taking money for something you don't have in production (we are 1.5 years into this project now and we are just now getting production parts in hand). Overall 1.5 years to get to production for a firearm is a short time if you look at the rest of the industry. People these days are just impatient. I grew up ordering stuff from the back of shotgun news and waiting months with no word on the “status of my order”!
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Sounds like you guys have a solid handle on your business model. Folks that don’t understand business don’t understand that certain operating models are doomed to fail at some point. I’m sure that the folks at Vudoo would agree. The others who have not yet struggled probably are not aware enough that the time will come for them too when the orders slow down or an unexpected quality issue hits them in the face. Every Ponzi scheme fails eventually. And the folks that enter at the end are the ones that lose out the most.
I’m rooting for you all. I’ve got some free cash now due to a pleasant surprise, and I’ll be anxiously waiting for your barreled action to be released. I almost am bored with how well my precut barrel from you shoots out of my 457!
I’m rooting for you all. I’ve got some free cash now due to a pleasant surprise, and I’ll be anxiously waiting for your barreled action to be released. I almost am bored with how well my precut barrel from you shoots out of my 457!
I get it. Bills add up in a hurry when you start looking at the entire BOM and multiplying for production. And investors in the firearms space are few and far between.
I'm excited for it, and I hope you do well. I'll likely buy one myself once they're in stock.
I'd just hate to see another pre-order turned vaporware. Last one that comes to mind was blackjack bullets, because their supplier screwed their timeline they went under with a lot of backorders unfilled.
The Hudson H9 comes to my mind as well. Luckily we have built up some strong product lines to keep revenue streams going to sustain the project and see it through. Finding a balance between diversification and specialization is key in building a startup!
To me a preorder is buying something that doesn’t exist yet. Once we have the action in hand I’d say it’s not a preorder. If you order a barrel from a smith it’s very common for them to order the blank and not have it in hand.
