Pope Death Watch... WITH A PRIZE!!! Quart of Maple Syrup to the winner!
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Interesting thing about that verse and its relationship and proof of the Trinity.
Interesting description and explanation from a converted muslim. Pay close attention starting at 5:28. But I suggest you watch the entire explanation.
Yes he Did... But the only Body God ever had was Jesus the Flesh.
Not sure you made a point or? You actually made mine for me... Where is the Body in the old testament? Where was GOD manifest in the Flesh? Seen Of Angels, Preached unto the Gentiles?
Where was God Manifest? He couldnt have.... He was a spirit.... We are also made in Gods Image which is impossible Considering the body didnt come along until the New Testament.
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I digress... Where in the Bible do you find 3 people?....
Basics again... 1 body and 1 spirit = 1 person.. Take away either from each other and The flesh can not live without help
I gave you some scriptures about 1 body, 1 body, 1 body and you seem to want to do this new math stuff.... Look over here.. Jews said this... but what did the Iranians say about it?
What does the BIBLE say? Show me plz I am begging you...Pretty plz? that better?
We already went back to the beginning where God Created ALONE... So again we are missing a lot of material
Oh no....here you go in a made up circle again.
Genesis 1
"Let us make man in our image."
GO ahead and start over.
This one?
Ephesians 1:11
King James Version
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:So Who was in the Beginning with God? Mercy? Grace? Salvation? Judgement? .....After the Council of HIS WILL
We know who wasnt their? NOBODY... He was ALONE according to The Lord.
START over FOR????
Must have missed it?? One Lord One Faith One Baptism!! Yes point made. Was it the Voices in the night?
You think God spoke to the Flesh on the Cross? You think that was for him? Or Obedience of his FLESH to take the Cup and to Drink (our sin).... The Flesh of God had a Choice to Drink or not... He Chose Unrighteousness so that you and I could live.
How did God Purchase the Church with his own blood?
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Fk that, another liberal pope. If he really wants to good he can start with cleaning up and being open about the pedophile priests the church has protected for years.Also gun control seems to be on his list.
Here's what Pope Leo XIV has posted about politics — and the Trump administration — on social media
Hints as to what postures Pope Leo XIV, formerly Cardinal Robert Prevost, might take on some of the most controversial issues roiling the U.S. may come from his recent activity on social media.www.cbsnews.com
The church has billions from what I understand, let the church's money help people.
How about welcoming a few hundred "immigrants" to Vatican City and provide them with food, shelter and jobs?
Bigots gonna bigot pointy hat or not.
Easter ?
Easter's origins are rooted in both Christianity and ancient pagan spring festivals. Christianly, Easter commemorates the resurrection of Jesus Christ, a central belief in Christianity. However, the timing of Easter, particularly its connection to the spring equinox, and many of its traditions, have roots in pre-Christian pagan beliefs and practices.
Valentines day?
Valentine's Day is believed to have originated from the Roman festival of Lupercalia and the Christian celebration of St. Valentine, a martyr. Lupercalia, held in mid-February, was a fertility festival involving sacrificial rituals and pairing off individuals. The Catholic Church later associated February 14 with the martyrdom of St. Valentine, though multiple individuals with that name were martyred. The exact connection between Lupercalia and St. Valentine is debated, but the holiday is likely a blend of both pagan and Christian traditions.
Lets do Everyones Favorite
Christmas?
Christmas Day, celebrated annually on December 25th, commemorates the birth of Jesus Christ. While the New Testament doesn't specify the date of Jesus' birth, the Roman Catholic Church chose December 25th in the 4th century, potentially influenced by pre-existing pagan celebrations of the winter solstice and the birth of the sun god.
Fish on Fridays and so on
Dont you Find it STRANGE Catholics celebrate Pagan Holidays??? Not Strange?
Easter's origins are rooted in both Christianity and ancient pagan spring festivals. Christianly, Easter commemorates the resurrection of Jesus Christ, a central belief in Christianity. However, the timing of Easter, particularly its connection to the spring equinox, and many of its traditions, have roots in pre-Christian pagan beliefs and practices.
Valentines day?
Valentine's Day is believed to have originated from the Roman festival of Lupercalia and the Christian celebration of St. Valentine, a martyr. Lupercalia, held in mid-February, was a fertility festival involving sacrificial rituals and pairing off individuals. The Catholic Church later associated February 14 with the martyrdom of St. Valentine, though multiple individuals with that name were martyred. The exact connection between Lupercalia and St. Valentine is debated, but the holiday is likely a blend of both pagan and Christian traditions.
Lets do Everyones Favorite
Christmas?
Christmas Day, celebrated annually on December 25th, commemorates the birth of Jesus Christ. While the New Testament doesn't specify the date of Jesus' birth, the Roman Catholic Church chose December 25th in the 4th century, potentially influenced by pre-existing pagan celebrations of the winter solstice and the birth of the sun god.
Fish on Fridays and so on
Dont you Find it STRANGE Catholics celebrate Pagan Holidays??? Not Strange?
Easter is the only christian holiday tied to the moon calendar. Specifically the paschal moon. The timing of Easter seems more closely aligned with Jewish passover and the crucifixion of Jesus as the paschal lamb.
There's no denying the phonetic link to Eostre and all the chocolate bunny nonsense but it's not the only reason for the season.
Christianity has always redefined itself and watered itself down to increase membership. Cults are more steadfast in their beliefs than christians.
Did we ever Find enough Material to make 3 seperate bodies or people in the Godhead.
How many businesses would make it with 2 bosses or lets try this one. More than 1 President of the Unites States.. Judges are trying to usurp the position and we see what that is done...
So where are these people? I have shown you the Godhead.. God was Manifest in the Flesh (where? New Testament). justified in the spirit
1 Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Sounds a lot like Jesus's Life? No? So where was God manifested (shown to man)
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How many businesses would make it with 2 bosses or lets try this one. More than 1 President of the Unites States.. Judges are trying to usurp the position and we see what that is done...
So where are these people? I have shown you the Godhead.. God was Manifest in the Flesh (where? New Testament). justified in the spirit
1 Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Sounds a lot like Jesus's Life? No? So where was God manifested (shown to man)
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- clear or obvious to the eye or mind. Manifest in the Flesh? Shown to the World? Clear and Obvious... are you saying the Word of God is not Correct?
Possibly Melchizedek “ Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life”. Who could that be since no man has seen God the Father?
Also here in Daniel
“ Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God”
Old Testament evidence of the Trinity
In psalm 110 David said:
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The Holy Ghost as part of the Godhead is described in 1 John 5-7
""For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Romans 10 9
“ That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”.
God the Son died on the cross and God the Father raised him from the dead.
Also in Mathew 11 Jesus said
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son“
Did we ever Find enough Material to make 3 seperate bodies or people in the Godhead.
How many businesses would make it with 2 bosses or lets try this one. More than 1 President of the Unites States.. Judges are trying to usurp the position and we see what that is done...
So where are these people? I have shown you the Godhead.. God was Manifest in the Flesh (where? New Testament). justified in the spirit
1 Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Sounds a lot like Jesus's Life? No? So where was God manifested (shown to man)
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man·i·fest1
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adjective
- clear or obvious to the eye or mind. Manifest in the Flesh? Shown to the World? Clear and Obvious... are you saying the Word of God is not Correct?
Dude...no one cares.
Read it with magic glasses. You are right, and we are wrong.
You believe salvation is Jesus, plus something else. Good luck with that, and good day sir.
Genesis 18 and 19, though 19 is simply a continuation of the context, and illustrates that two of the 3 were angels, but not the 3rd man.
I think you missed the entire main point I was attempting to share with you.
Its in the 1st chapter, 1st verse in the original hebrew language that it was written in.
Have you ever cracked one of these?
The word used in Hebrew is elohiym.
Which is plural.
You digress, no you didn’t even absorb the basic concept I was sharing with you.
And to be honest you response is so far off, I don’t believe it even merits a reply other than pointing out you didn’t grasps what I was showing you. Good luck on your journey!
You are sharing Nonsense..... Doesnt add up...
Actually I have one of those ... That Helps when you want to String an Idea or Word/Phrase.
Show me in the scriptures which you cant to show me The Trinity... Show me where everyone is... In the Beginning God (alone).. Pretty Simple.
You keep going on these left turns ...The Biblesays there is One Body and One Spirit... I Didnt say it, the Bible said it. So please again SHOW ME..
You are saying their are more Than one Body and More than One Spirit.... Show me ... I said there is One and Backed it with scripture
Also Dued 6:4 Refutes your Claim of multiples.
From Genesis 1:26:
“26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness”
Notice the word “us”. That implies all members of the Trinity.
John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Read the entire chapter:
Bible Gateway passage: John 1 - King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and...
Paul said in Romans 14:5-12
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
There you go again, not actually addressing anything that is said to you and dismissing it outright. Just because you say something is nonsense does not make it so. But that is a standard debate topic of people whose arguments have no grounding. The questions you keep asking, with how their phrasing show you do not know what you are talking about, have already been addressed. But here is a verse for you that shows Separate personhood in the OT.
Daniel 7:9-14 Here we have two distinct and different figures, the Ancient of Days and the Son of man. The ancient of days is described with all the Old Testament descriptions of God and no one but God would be seated on a heavenly throne. The seen is a heavenly throne room. There the Ancient of days is seated and the Son of Man, a distant figure and person in this seen, is brought before the Ancient of Day. Then we see the Son of Man was given: “And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.”
Daniel 7:14. No one except God has that. Yet we see the Ancient of Days, who is very clearly God and many would argue the Father, giving his power and authority to the Son of Man. These are two distinct persons and both have the power and authority of God. This is also why Jesus refers to him self more than anything else as the Son of Man.
Now I want you to address, not just try to post some other verse to refute it, but actually address what is going on in this verse. I have several others that illustrate the same thing (as others have noted), but you have not actually addressed any of them. Who is the Son of Man? Who is the Ancient of Days? If they are the same person, why would the author very clearly differentiate the two as individual people in the text? Since the text clearly illustrates them as two separate people, why are they both given the honors, attributes, names, deeds and seat of God? You cannot just post another verse over this or just say Deut 6:4, you must address the matter in this verse
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It’s interesting that they say something like that is symbolism, yet will say the prophetic vision in Revelation is literal.(sorry CPTNK not Revelations like you said before).
So have we figured out if the new pope is any different than the old one? I heard that he gave his initial address in spanish so I'm guessing he's another latin american commie pope.
Again What does the Bible say? Its not me..
Jew/Hebrews Believe in one God... Simple
You say there are 3 sperate men from the beginning? But God Said he Alone Created the Heavens and Earth, So where are the rest of them?
Maybe this an Help... I will also bring up the Point again that has not been addressed ...
If the Holy Ghost Overshadowed Mary and she Conceived... Then the Holy Ghost is the Father.
John 1
King James Version
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Sounds a bit like God was in Christ Reconciling the World unto himself
In the Beginning was the Word (logos) (or thought))
The Word Became Flesh? Where? In Jesus Christ
If the Word was Made Flesh (GOD).
All Things were Made by him(who? GOD).
So who again was made Flesh ..That is how Jesus Being Flesh was Made God. The Jews seen it and tried to Stone him.
Your version has 3 people So again I ask
WHO IS THE FATHER THE FATHER OF? This is so simple and All the Pieces work.
God Clothed Adam and Eve but the Blood was shed... This is why the Blood, Name, Godhead, Salvation is so important and Salvation is hinged on your belief...
In my Version God was a Spirit Who Created a Body to make Payment for sin. Without the Blood Coming from the Male (Father) Or You Break this Down to 3 people then Salvation Doesnt work?
Mans Ideas Dont Work...
Saul was a One God Believer and so is every Jew Alive... Thinking you missed the mark in this,,,
Daniel 7:9-14 is WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!
You just did it again, you answered NONE of my questions and did not address ANY of Daniel 7:9-14. It is the whole counsel of God, not the counsel of a few cherry picked verses and ignoring anything else.
You ask for proof, proof is given, then ignored
Referring to Dan7:9-13 Who is the Son of Man? Who is the Ancient of Days? If they are the same person, why would the author very clearly differentiate the two as individual people in the text? Since the text clearly illustrates them as two separate people, why are they both given the honors, attributes, names, deeds and seat of God? You cannot just post another verse over this or just say Deut 6:4, you must address the matter in this verse
BTW everyone sees how intellectually dishonest you are
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Just stop. I hate laughing about something that is so very sad.
You were given the scripture. You ignored it. It will not be given again.
You have been sold a bill of goods by a man and a movement.
What started at Azusa street was not a revival of the Church, but a corruption of the Gospel.
I was a pentecostal for many decades. My advice is to come out of it.
I actually agree with you about the easter bunnies, the valwntines and the christ masses. You aren't wrong about that, but you have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
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Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
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A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
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Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
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Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
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And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Additionally you completely miss the Trinitarian language in John 1. “The Word was with God, and the Word was God”. Do you not see it? If it is just referring to one person, why would it say the word was with God? No one says they were WITH themselves, they say they are BY themselves. We only use the word with when there is multiple parties involved, because it is a relationally dependent word.
Additionally the Greek words that are used here for “with God” is πρὸς τὸν θεόν. In Greek this literally means “face to face with God” The syntax of the verse then shows they are the same. So if the Word is not a distinct person, how could he be face to face with God? It requires a distinct person to use this language. Also thoughts are not face to face with anyone, so the Word here is just not a thought.
But back to Dan7:9-13 Who is the Son of Man? Who is the Ancient of Days? If they are the same person, why would the author very clearly differentiate the two as individual people in the text? Since the text clearly illustrates them as two separate people, why are they both given the honors, attributes, names, deeds and seat of God? You cannot just post another verse over this or just say Deut 6:4, you must address the matter in this verse
But I bet again you will not address what was said about John 1 and not address the issues I raised in Daniel 7:9-13
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The Word is the Spirit and the Spirit is the Word. Doesnt make a person... Still missing some Flesh
Inspired by God and Written by man under the Spiritual Guidance of God. Simple
After the Council of HIS own Will
Plz use Scripture If you are able... Not interested in the Greeks Version of things as they had enough problems with figuring out what God they was to serve. Scripture works best
Deflection on this 1 body and 1 spirit.. Makes one man...
Again You are missing the Basic Principals of who GOD is. Like Ephesians says 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.How can you reconcile 3 people... Negative.. Not enough Material to make more than one person... Person being Flesh and Bone.
Why do you keep trying to separate God, Jesus, Father? Why cant hey be one in Body and Spirit? Makes sense and when you think on that lines the Word of God will open up
Are you saying that The Jews were Oneness until the Trinity? lol Jews believe in 1 God...
Stand backfor a second and think.... If God was Manifest in the Flesh? through Jesus Christ.. God did not stop being God. The Spirit Still filled the All in All
So when Jesus was being Obedient to the Spirit God Praised the Flesh... He could have sinned but he didnt.
If God was in the Beginning Alone?
Created the Heavens Alone
Said when he was done that It is Finished.
Hear O ISRAEL the Lord Our GOD IS ONE!!! Isiah
1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Lets get into the Tabernacle next?
If Jesus said he was Lord then how Could God Claim the same title?
Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD
Jesus said he was LORD? So How can there be 2? Salvation Came through 1 man...Jesus.
Father, Son and Holy Ghost are Just Titles of the One true and living GOD Jesus. God never stopped being God and believe it or not God is able to play plenty of roles
We get into the Tabernacle plan and it was setup in perfection. Shows Jesus Christ in it with the Badger skins and Decoration on the inside... No light besides the Candle sticks
First thing that was Done was Washing, Sacrifices and then the Application of the BLood (Baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost)
Old testament is a schoolmaster to Bring us to Christ Not the Father or anyone else... Christ!
When you add all these People who dont exist then you are messing up God allegories and the Types and Shadows in the Bible.
After sprinkling of the Blood on all the artifacts in the Tabernacle.. Then 1 time he was to do an atonement for the nation of israel. The Holiest Of Holies Where the Separation of God Continued. The High Priest was in charge of this area but God was very Explicit on how he wanted things done or he would Strike the Priest Dead. They tied Bells and a rope to the High Priest because if he messed up any part of the Sacrifices he would have been struck DEAD!!
So pretend this 3 people in the GodHead and I would hate to see how God straightens you out.
Ok but i am astill stuck here at the Father Son and Holy Ghost? I am still looking for the Father in this Picture.... SO where is he?
If there is ONLY 1 Faith and 1 Baptism then you might want to take a look at your Foundation... Built on sand
If there is only 1 Body and 1 person
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YOU DID IT AGAIN YOU DIDNT ADDRESS WHAT WAS SAID! YOU DIDNT ADDRESS DANIEL! ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS ABOUT DANIEL! You don’t because you know your view of scripture cannot sustain it, so you ignore and deflect.
Further your statement “Plz use Scripture If you are able... Not interested in the Greeks Version of things” shows just how uninformed you are. THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN COMPLETELY IN GREEK! What on earth are you talking about? That is unless you only believe the only English KJV is scripture, which is NOWHERE IN THE BIBlE. It’s funny you will deny the trinity for that reason, yet support KJV only when it is nowhere in scripture. The New Testament writers wrote in Greek (Koine Greek to be exact) not in English. Are you that dumb?
And Here is a the Kicker
Isaiah 43:10
“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.( I am the Great I am) Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. Believing and understanding Comes From the Holy Ghost You get understanding after the Holy Ghost ( The Father) has filled you and opened your mind.
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”(better get this Figured out as it seems a Serious Punishment if you miss it.)
Die in your Sins? Again Believe what? Jesus is GOD!!
Il
Isaiah 43:10
“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.( I am the Great I am) Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. Believing and understanding Comes From the Holy Ghost You get understanding after the Holy Ghost ( The Father) has filled you and opened your mind.
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”(better get this Figured out as it seems a Serious Punishment if you miss it.)
Die in your Sins? Again Believe what? Jesus is GOD!!
Il
I will get to that
That person they are seeing is Jesus.... Ancient of Days... One Body One Spirit. Now that is a person... Glad we have Gotten this portion Finished
But where is the Father.. I have been Ignored.... WHERE IS THE FATHER?
Again posting more scripture taken out of context is not answering the questions
But back to Dan7:9-13 Who is the Son of Man? Who is the Ancient of Days? If they are the same person, why would the author very clearly differentiate the two as individual people in the text? Since the text clearly illustrates them as two separate people, why are they both given the honors, attributes, names, deeds and seat of God? You cannot just post another verse over this or just say Deut 6:4, you must address the matter in this verse
Er wrong, there are two people there Ancient of Days and Son of man. Both are portrayed as God. You didn’t address the two people
Again But back to Dan7:9-13 Who is the Son of Man? Who is the Ancient of Days? If they are the same person, why would the author very clearly differentiate the two as individual people in the text? Since the text clearly illustrates them as two separate people, why are they both given the honors, attributes, names, deeds and seat of God? You cannot just post another verse over this or just say Deut 6:4, you must address the matter in this verse
