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Ukraine war Bullshit.

Currently both Israel and Ukraine have chosen similar tactics - to silently do their own thing, paying minimal attention to the bunny with the drum.
That would indeed seem to be the case, sans intelligence agencies. Until the money runs out. It then raises a significant question: where is the money now flowing? It’s a clue. The historical precedent of what may be occurring is legion so it cannot be dismissed. It has real implications for Ukraine. Which raises another aspect: could it be that Russia wants the Iranian conflict in order to divert US attention/$$ and therefore give them more advantages in Ukraine? I have no idea, but what I do know is that every event contains an opportunity for those willing to see them.
 
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it worked for the germans!

Are you from the same gang of retards who wrote in the previous Russian propaganda thread "and take Vindman back"???
Is this the guy?


ps. Another idiot who called himself a random nickname?
Darayavaus

"Renaissance man"​

The main attribute of the Renaissance was humanism. Humanism and individuality. In contrast to the worship of both state and spiritual deities, which is still practiced by those for whom you work as a useful idiot.
I'll tell you a secret - getting drunk on cheap beer and shooting at cans in backyards is neither humanism nor patriotism.
 
Are you from the same gang of retards who wrote in the previous Russian propaganda thread "and take Vindman back"???
Is this the guy?


ps. Another idiot who called himself a random nickname?
Darayavaus

"Renaissance man"​

The main attribute of the Renaissance was humanism. Humanism and individuality. In contrast to the worship of both state and spiritual deities, which is still practiced by those for whom you work as a useful idiot.
I'll tell you a secret - getting drunk on cheap beer and shooting at cans in backyards is neither humanism nor patriotism.

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Which raises another aspect: could it be that Russia wants the Iranian conflict in order to divert US attention/$$ and therefore give them more advantages in Ukraine?
As far as I can imagine, Russia has nothing to do with Israel attacking Iran. At the same time, you're right that what is happening will greatly reduce ukestan capacity to conduct any kind of war action against Russia. BTW, here is a video. which is certainly created by Russia MoD and kind of mentions this situation, and mostly, in the second part of the video:
 
As far as I can imagine, Russia has nothing to do with Israel attacking Iran. At the same time, you're right that what is happening will greatly reduce ukestan capacity to conduct any kind of war action against Russia. BTW, here is a video. which is certainly created by Russia MoD and kind of mentions this situation, and mostly, in the second part of the video:

Naw, I'm going with the theory The Trumpster & Vlad made a back room deal, both could lip in public all they want about Iran & the Ukes, but that as far as it would go,...
 
Pete Hegseth is probably behind the strategy to get the gender bender midget to the negotiation table. The midget is a bad ass as long as we're backing him. Pull the support and he'll just be a queer midget.


A screenshot of the article. Notice the line below the picture. "Ukraine has offered to buy the systems". Buy? With what?

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Good point.

What effect is this going to have on Russia’s operations this summer and beyond?
None, w/o US support Uke land is for the taking, but Russia will drag it out and grind up a few more body's. The EU has nothing to stop Russia save canned sunshine, but they do not want to go there w/Russia.

If the two mouths in this thread would man up & sign on, I'm sure they could save Uke land, just by talking the Russians to death,...
 
Ukraine was handed an out at recent negotiations. Instead they want to continue this shit not realizing the ME takes precedence.
When you are using other people's money and you aren't on the front lines it's easy to be the tough guy.
He is living large, his bank account is swelling and it's other people getting dead. Until Trump got elected he was everyone's darling. They could parade him around and put on the pity party for money. Now the money laundry has been cut off he's still thinking that he's all that and a bag of chips. He should have paid attention to history and realized what happens when the USA is done using someone. It's not even ancient history. Just the last forty to fifty years.
 
When you are using other people's money and you aren't on the front lines it's easy to be the tough guy.
He is living large, his bank account is swelling and it's other people getting dead. Until Trump got elected he was everyone's darling. They could parade him around and put on the pity party for money. Now the money laundry has been cut off he's still thinking that he's all that and a bag of chips. He should have paid attention to history and realized what happens when the USA is done using someone. It's not even ancient history. Just the last forty to fifty years.
Yep. Nam and Afghan are 2 glowing examples.

I think the Europeans will keep egging him on and supporting

I personally do not think EU is neutered. If pushed they are more than able to pick up the slack. Thing is will they stick together and stick it out, historically on that one they tend to fragment as well.
 
What's left after they gave everything to Ukraine? What's their operational levels?
What's their combat experience outside of flying a few sorties behind the US in the Middle East?
How much better will they handle Russian missiles compared to Israel dealing with Iran?
 
What's left after they gave everything to Ukraine? What's their operational levels?
What's their combat experience outside of flying a few sorties behind the US in the Middle East?
How much better will they handle Russian missiles compared to Israel dealing with Iran?
They didn’t give everything.

Not sure exact numbers but they have been helping on the ground in Ukraine . Seen plenty of videos with people from the eu on the ground.

Eu have very capable equipment, and are trained on how to use it. Beside us not behind us.

Ru missile ballistic threat is a real issue they’d have to deal with. Germans have the arrow 3, working in collaboration with Israel.

My main point of what I am trying to say is they have the financial resources and technical ability that if they applied them selves they could do it, might have to if the US bows out. It take a minute for them to catch up.

Personally Id rather see the war ended through negotiations.
 
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Imagine Israel is now burning trough multi year stock of AD missiles per week. which were previously already used by Kiev at rates far beyond production capacity, Israelis hardly make anyhting in Israel , they are now pulling anything they can out of US and EU . They flew some missles from germany just prior starting their attack on Iran

 
Imagine Israel is now burning trough multi year stock of AD missiles per week. which were previously already used by Kiev at rates far beyond production capacity, Israelis hardly make anyhting in Israel , they are now pulling anything they can out of US and EU . They flew some missles from germany just prior starting their attack on Iran


What can Ru and Iran produce in offensive ballistic missiles yearly? Anyone have those numbers?

Are they getting outside assistance cough cough china cough cough????
 
What can Ru and Iran produce in offensive ballistic missiles yearly? Anyone have those numbers?

Are they getting outside assistance cough cough china cough cough????
Whatever is going to be used now is already in stock , china does sell rocket fuel to Iran , but why shouldn't it. But china is far less involved than folks like to imply .Sanctions are not good for business particulary when in a fight they don't have dog in.

Well reports on Russians running out of missiles 2 weeks into the fight have turned out to be BS.

Israel estimates Iran retains 2,000 ballistic missiles from its original arsenal. That is about as many as used in Ukraine since 2022 ,but Ukraine is a huge country vs Israel


In any case unlike Ukraine , Israels core policy is to get US to do the fighting , at present supprisingly not jet the case .
 
Whatever is going to be used now is already in stock , china does sell rocket fuel to Iran , but why shouldn't it. But china is far less involved than folks like to imply .Sanctions are not good for business particulary when in a fight they don't have dog in.

Well reports on Russians running out of missiles 2 weeks into the fight have turned out to be BS.

Israel estimates Iran retains 2,000 ballistic missiles from its original arsenal. That is about as many as used in Ukraine since 2022 ,but Ukraine is a huge country vs Israel


In any case unlike Ukraine , Israels core policy is to get US to do the fighting , at present supprisingly not jet the case .
I never believed the russia is running out of weapons shit the media fed the public.

I heard Israel did well to neutralize Irans mobile launchers. Iran are un able to launch large barrages and saturate Israels missile defense as they had planned, having to spread out attacks in smaller waves. While yes some are getting through, more are being intercepted than planned for because of this.

Wonder what their production rates are, can it be countered?

China is definitely pumping material goods into both. They might not be selling fully assembled equipment, but mass production of components is happening.

Israel being smaller allows it to consolidate its defense. In some respects a bonus in defense.

I don’t think Trump will do that unless Iran gets stupid and hits some of our shit.
 
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He told ABC's Rachel Scott that "it's possible we could get involved" - however he emphasized that the US military is "not at this moment involved" in the conflict. He pivoted to calling for peaceful resolution, saying the US would be "open" to Russian President Vladimir Putin being a mediator in. "He is ready. He called me about it. We had a long talk about it," Trump said.

Waiting for Israel first crowd of Unregistered foreign agents to make a push soon , things are definitely not working out as planned.
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Good point.

What effect is this going to have on Russia’s operations this summer and beyond?
Russia used Iranian drones (shaheed) in the first year but have been producing the same model domestically for years at this point.
Shaheed and Lancet were the same, Russia has probably evolved the design to something somewhat unique at this point.
 
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Are the facilities that produce those drones dispersed? Or are they produced in only one location do you think?
Ok so first up I mixed up Lancets and Geraniums, the flying wing from Iran (shaheed) is the Russian Geranium.
Lancets seem to be way more complex and manufactured in a single location while Geraniums could probably be manufactured at similar rates with decentralised assembly and multiple sources supplying parts. My understanding of Russian arms industry is that it is part of the state and it's easier doing everything in one place if you can, even though this does make it easier for Ukraine to disrupt productivity.

If something does happen, it'll be like every thing else Russia has done where they shut the gate after the horses bolted but the overall picture will not change.
 
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