For many shooters, keeping both eyes open only happens naturally after lots of time and repetitions on glass. It took me a lot of time for it to happen.
2403-yard shot on a can of red bull, sounds like a load of bull.
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For many shooters, keeping both eyes open only happens naturally after lots of time and repetitions on glass. It took me a lot of time for it to happen.
This brings up an honest question for me-in that video he mentions spin drift, but he’s shooting at 500 yards. The question I have is how much spin drift would actually be observable at 500?
Referring to the overton guy’s video.
Referring to the overton guy’s video.
If you haven't figured it out yet, Overton is a retard.
Yes, I did figure that out. Incidentally I actually found him on YouTube before I joined the hide. Kind of thought he was an idiot from his fake long range shots on that platform.
Can't be overstated enough.
It's so bad, that you are essentially an ableist making fun of him.
Actually, he's a charlatan - though maybe a mentally challenged charlatan.
And what does that say about all the people who follow him?
Loaded 155 scenars for my cousin's 26" .308, hit pressure at ~3100 fps.
Dropped down to 2950 as that was where we found best consistency, both for group size and SD.
RS52 and Norma brass, don't have my log here, can't remember exactly how many grains.
Overton has agreed to come on FocusTripp's stream and debate the 1.5 mile shot. Anyone from the Hide feel like having a crack at Overton, live on-air?
It was all I could bear to scroll through that video to find the relevant interaction (it's at about 31 minutes and 33minutes). Who has the time and patience to watch some guy in his combined gun/piano room spouting drivel about red dots and playing informercials for a whole fucking hour?
Plus - while I'm all for exposing Bloverton Window-licker, I don't know what "debating" is going to do to resolve the dilemma? Like expose him for not knowing the lingo of MRAD and MOA, or what?
Seems like a good way to waste your time and draw yet more attention to Window-licker.
Plus - while I'm all for exposing Bloverton Window-licker, I don't know what "debating" is going to do to resolve the dilemma? Like expose him for not knowing the lingo of MRAD and MOA, or what?
Seems like a good way to waste your time and draw yet more attention to Window-licker.
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It's the same thing as a dogpile here.
Or, when driving past an accident, you will look.
So, yeah, if there ever is a livestream, people, even people from here are going to watch it.
Like seeing videos of train wrecks. We have seen a bunch of them and we will watch one more.
Why did you scroll? If you click the play button in the video, it's already time stamped and goes to the right spot.
That's my BB code in my post. 1913 seconds is 31.8 minutes, takes you right to the point.
mmm it's about .1 mil which if you are trying to shoot that quarter at 500 yards you will absolutely factor in.
I think the guy is a total door knob but he did get that right.
Elmer Keith said/taught to zero rifle 1 click (1/4minute ) left to compensate for spin drift. .1 mil would be ok I suppose for those of us who like to stretch the distances way out there.
I read his book about big game hunting. He is the 'K' in the .333 OKH round. I know he liked the .35 Whelen. And he fancied large cartridges at moderate to close distances. Make big and leaking holes that leave blood trails and assist in exsanguination.
Yes, he like big diameter and heavy bullets. He was from a different era that's for sure. Then along came Roy Weatherby and his how much powder can we put in cartridge and make this bullet fly at the speed of light. Total opposite approach.
You have spin drift at all distances and it’s affected by the wind I’m talking a no wind situation. Make your solver do the heavy lifting (math) don’t just guess.
Because I have seen a few of his videos, it still comes up in my autosuggest. He had a short about bull elk being in range at 2200 yards.
Evidently, he will shoot at an elk at 2200 yards. No one else I know and certainly not people I know personally would shoot at any game animal at that distance.
Look at the roasting of Aaron at Gunwerks got for having his kid shoot an elk at 1376 yards.
Evidently, he will shoot at an elk at 2200 yards. No one else I know and certainly not people I know personally would shoot at any game animal at that distance.
Look at the roasting of Aaron at Gunwerks got for having his kid shoot an elk at 1376 yards.
Actually a 2 or 3 or 4 thousand yard shot on an elk or a gnat is pretty easy. Film said critter at two or three or four miles. Find an elk that looks the same, tie him up in the same basic location. After tying him up, back off a couple yards and blast away at him while filming the elk being shot only. Then go back to the original distance, film said Hawkeye shooting his .243 or whatever our intrepid marksman is purporting to shoot, and film him shooting. Tie the film of the blasted elk (or gnat) with the ole Hawkeye (or Elmer Fudd if you prefer) and there you go, taking out an elk at 4 miles with your trusty .223. (Or whatever, .22lr, Daisy Red Rider, whatever).
This was A-A-ron from Gunwerks, not the window-licker. Real vs youtubes fraud.
It ain't sky bustin' if the ducks fall dead...and that's that. "In range" isn't the same for everyone.
What's "ethical" for one person might not be for another. Personally, if you give a shit how someone else hunts within the regulations there is something fucking wrong with you, and you live a small and meaningless life. Choke yourself.
It ain't sky bustin' if the ducks fall dead...and that's that. "In range" isn't the same for everyone.
What's "ethical" for one person might not be for another. Personally, if you give a shit how someone else hunts within the regulations there is something fucking wrong with you, and you live a small and meaningless life. Choke yourself.
Alls I can say, forget what I can hit in a shooting match. If the deer is further than 250 yards, he / she was having a lucky day. Cause I’m not even gonna try.
Edit: I do know and have seen long range tv shots being fraudulent. Reported this before. Watched a show where a deer was shot at close to 1000 yards. Deer dropped like he had been hit with a 105 howitzer. Next show, advertising a different product that supported the previous show, showed the exact same deer falling the exact same way. Simple stock photo shots. Looks so real. Is so false.
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One of the great things about the current trend in "accuracy challenges" across the internet, is that you can see just how much luck is involved with skill.
I can personally care less about what the other guy is doing, as long as they are being honest about it. Unfortunately, the trend with self-video editing is that honesty often takes a back seat to footage that will generate more views.
I can personally care less about what the other guy is doing, as long as they are being honest about it. Unfortunately, the trend with self-video editing is that honesty often takes a back seat to footage that will generate more views.
Ethical and legal are two different things. If the hunting regs were broken, then fire away. If not why care, and why broadcast that on the internet?
I’d like to follow around some of the guys for a couple of days that get their panties all in knots about alleged violations of their hoity-toity “ethics”, to see if in general, they live their lives with such high standards when it comes to things like driving, financing, reading to your kids, brushing your teeth, running your business etc.
I'm actually pretty decent in all of those areas...
I'll screw it up in a second though if it involves stubbing my toe, being polite to a rude person, or muslims.
I have the highest ethics when shooting a Red Bull. I shoot only unopened (virginal) cans.
Not hittin’ those (holes) already-openedsluts cans.
Not hittin’ those (holes) already-opened
You guys may be right. He claims his shot placement at 2200 yards is better than another person's shot placement at 400 yards.
I personally would have a problem shooting a game animal at 2200 yards. Even with a well-built rifle and optic, even with my best trigger squeeze on my best day, I don't know what the wind is doing and more specifically the animal could move. I just used shooter's calculator and input data for 7 PRC 175 gr. Time of flight to 2200 yards is 4.52 seconds.
That's a long time and an animal could move either completely out of the way or just enough to get injured with a rump shot.
So, in the end, I am not that good. And the people I know who hunt would not shoot that far. Including some who are very good at shooting at distance.
I personally would have a problem shooting a game animal at 2200 yards. Even with a well-built rifle and optic, even with my best trigger squeeze on my best day, I don't know what the wind is doing and more specifically the animal could move. I just used shooter's calculator and input data for 7 PRC 175 gr. Time of flight to 2200 yards is 4.52 seconds.
That's a long time and an animal could move either completely out of the way or just enough to get injured with a rump shot.
So, in the end, I am not that good. And the people I know who hunt would not shoot that far. Including some who are very good at shooting at distance.
The extended time of flight is probably the biggest reason I wouldn't shoot an animal that far away.
There's a difference between being good, and making outlandish claims.
Hitting the vitals of an elk at 2,200 yards cold bore isn't good, it is outlandish. You're talking a 2/3 MOA target height at that distance, and 1 MOA windage. Regardless of which hot 300/338 magnum you're hunting with, you're looking at ~1.5 - 2 inches PER FPS vertical dispersion at 2,200 yards.
My guess is he gets too many whispy little beard hairs in his powder dispenser to keep that kind of ES/SD.
Hitting the vitals of an elk at 2,200 yards cold bore isn't good, it is outlandish. You're talking a 2/3 MOA target height at that distance, and 1 MOA windage. Regardless of which hot 300/338 magnum you're hunting with, you're looking at ~1.5 - 2 inches PER FPS vertical dispersion at 2,200 yards.
My guess is he gets too many whispy little beard hairs in his powder dispenser to keep that kind of ES/SD.
Ultimately, I think he is just trolling. I don't know if he even hunts. Paper and steel? Sure.
But what is important to me in shooting a game animal is impact velocity. How does a particular bullet perform at a range of impact velocities? Hornady's PH 175 gr ELD-X technically starts to open at 1600 FPS but it is recommended to impact no lower than 1800 fps.
Impact velocity at 2200 yards is 948 fps. That is roughly about half of what is needed.
But I am sure he is a smart guy and can do the job.
But what is important to me in shooting a game animal is impact velocity. How does a particular bullet perform at a range of impact velocities? Hornady's PH 175 gr ELD-X technically starts to open at 1600 FPS but it is recommended to impact no lower than 1800 fps.
Impact velocity at 2200 yards is 948 fps. That is roughly about half of what is needed.
But I am sure he is a smart guy and can do the job.
Deer and elk are easy to kill with a gun. They're pretty easy to kill with a modern bow. People kill them here with an atlatl, which is a shitty weapon if there ever was one. They're not armored at all. They're soft and their vitals are not well protected. Hit them right and they go down.
I'm not going to argue with you, but I've seen them stacked with .223 and .30 subs. But honestly, if they run off and I can't find them, oh well. It's a deer. Waste bugs me, but I'm not going to loose sleep over it. I was given dominion so I don't have to worry so much or wring my hands over how someone else hunts. Where I live you have to keep a sharp eye out so they don't ruin your vehicle.
I guess I get it if you're a dirt worshiper who says a prayer over the carcass and thanks the great spirit, but to me it's just harvesting venison. If I'm picking apples I try not to drop any, but if I do I'm not going to worry to much about it.
I'm not going to argue with you, but I've seen them stacked with .223 and .30 subs. But honestly, if they run off and I can't find them, oh well. It's a deer. Waste bugs me, but I'm not going to loose sleep over it. I was given dominion so I don't have to worry so much or wring my hands over how someone else hunts. Where I live you have to keep a sharp eye out so they don't ruin your vehicle.
I guess I get it if you're a dirt worshiper who says a prayer over the carcass and thanks the great spirit, but to me it's just harvesting venison. If I'm picking apples I try not to drop any, but if I do I'm not going to worry to much about it.
One bright late spring morning at Altus while checking sights at ranges, a nice fat Turkey walked right out between the 300 and 400 yard berms. Here I am, sitting at a solid bench, with my handy 6.5 Creedmoor, scope dialed in at 17x and that Turkey looked as big as a house. While not much left if I had taken the shot, it would have been as easy as hitting water after falling out of a boat.
A few days later, same range, shooting at that same shooting table, shooting mod prone, again with my trusty 6.5, scope dialed in at, you guessed it, 17x and three white tail deer walk out. Bench rock solid, quality bipod solid, Armageddon waxed gamechanger holding the butt stock rock solid, 400 yard shot on any of those deer, guaranteed venison on the table. (IF I had taken the shot). Both turkey and deer were out of season and I did not have a current Florida hunting license so it was all a moot point.
But what is the point? How many of us get a rock solid bench to shoot off when hunting? And, how many of us carry a 20 pound target rifle with us when we go hunting? I seen shots like that plenty of times from a deer stand with my again, trusty .25-06 in hand and harvested all I needed for the upcoming year. But, that’s the difference, deer stand, not shooting bench, hunting rifle, not a target rifle. At my selected ranges, almost all of my shots have been perfect. But 250 yards or less, that’s it. And I might say, more often than not, less.
And that’s why I have a problem with people bragging about thousand yard hunting shots. Not saying it can’t be done but with a hunting rifle, on the side of a hill? You be the judge.
A few days later, same range, shooting at that same shooting table, shooting mod prone, again with my trusty 6.5, scope dialed in at, you guessed it, 17x and three white tail deer walk out. Bench rock solid, quality bipod solid, Armageddon waxed gamechanger holding the butt stock rock solid, 400 yard shot on any of those deer, guaranteed venison on the table. (IF I had taken the shot). Both turkey and deer were out of season and I did not have a current Florida hunting license so it was all a moot point.
But what is the point? How many of us get a rock solid bench to shoot off when hunting? And, how many of us carry a 20 pound target rifle with us when we go hunting? I seen shots like that plenty of times from a deer stand with my again, trusty .25-06 in hand and harvested all I needed for the upcoming year. But, that’s the difference, deer stand, not shooting bench, hunting rifle, not a target rifle. At my selected ranges, almost all of my shots have been perfect. But 250 yards or less, that’s it. And I might say, more often than not, less.
And that’s why I have a problem with people bragging about thousand yard hunting shots. Not saying it can’t be done but with a hunting rifle, on the side of a hill? You be the judge.
I don't doubt window-licker trolls here, and gathers information to spew at a later date. "Time of flight blah blah atmospherics blah blah spin drift aero jump" etc.
We all know that 7prc is the flattest cartridge atm, and anyone with a long range barrel over 30" will shoot flatter when it's a heavy bull barrel. It has less barrel droop so shoots more accurately at longer range.
Hand loads make it even flatter.
The reason it is a 2000+ yard elk slaying machine is with the right shooter, it's hard to miss. But you must be an absolute top tier shooter to exploit it, and you can do things with it no one thinks possible.
I've set the bait. Let's see what happens.
We all know that 7prc is the flattest cartridge atm, and anyone with a long range barrel over 30" will shoot flatter when it's a heavy bull barrel. It has less barrel droop so shoots more accurately at longer range.
Hand loads make it even flatter.
The reason it is a 2000+ yard elk slaying machine is with the right shooter, it's hard to miss. But you must be an absolute top tier shooter to exploit it, and you can do things with it no one thinks possible.
I've set the bait. Let's see what happens.
I have been doing this for years. Something I just started doing on my own. It takes care of most of the spin drift at distances that I hunt at and doesn’t matter closer in. One less thing to think about in the field.
Who are you not arguing with? Me? I didn't say anything about a wrong caliber. I chose 7 PRC because it shoots well at long distance and I chose the reported MV of 2800 and not the box MV of 3000, BTW.
Being given dominion over the animals is also a matter responsibility, not just permission to use them as target practice at long distance. I don't worship dirt, whatever that means. But I thank God for the good things in life.
How many times have you injured a deer and said, "oh well, what the hell..."? Is that something to be proud of?
When I hook a fish and it gets away, of course, we don't shed tears and I am not talking about shedding tears over a missed harvest.
So, Overton, how many alternate IDs do you have?
(Damn it, I had the right to remain silent but I did not have the ability.)
^Word. But I do think that ethical hunting is important. As Dirty Harry said, “A man’s got to know his limits.” If you’re confident, take the shot (and that means a lot of different things based on the experience of the shooter). If not, there are other days afield. Dominion over the animals comes with some responsibility. (Remember the outrage here over Fauci’s beagles?)
What is barrel droop? Why does a 30 inch heavy bull barrel shoot flatter that a 30 inch regular barrel?
We had some real solid hunters out that struggled to hit a 1.5MOA gong cold bore at 500 on a windy day. Lots of hanging heads.
I'd have probably been one of those head hangers myself. That takes more skill than many would think.
I limit my killing to 400 and in. That's just *my* limits based on MY abilities and knowledge that I can hit within a MOA of where I'm aiming under most conditions out to that distance. So that's an 8" gong @ 400.
Sometimes I'll smack a half minute dot at 650 my first try... but quite often I don't (and sometimes I miss by quite a bit). It isn't worth it to me to prove my manliness by having to track wounded game 500 yards. I'd rather do it in 50.
That doesn't mean that I'll get snooty at those who can and do kill further. To each their own. They'd just better get it done right if they're going to boast about it.
It isn't a competition... I root for everyone.
A few years ago, @tnichols and I had a conversation about who can really hit a 10” circle (typical vitals zone) at 700 yards on the first shot. The results we observed were dismal, and this from solid positions with known distance and no time limit (none of which you will likely have in the field). As I recall we both passed the test, but have both witnessed good shooters screw it up. He may correct me if I remember it wrong.
I’m not quite that extreme (as in range), but I feel that you should be close enough so the animal has a chance to sense you. Otherwise just point an elk-heat-seeking missile at the thing and press the button.
Look at what fishing as become. Pretty soon you won’t even need a boat. Throw your mini-drone-sub (with AI, fwd facing radar, cameras, periscope, net, torpedoes, etc) in the lake, go home, crack a beer, watch the game, all the while glancing at the FishBoy™ in your fat hand to select your fish.
Of course, if you subsistence hunt to survive, do whatever you need to do.
Now varmints…varmints are a different matter. Kill ‘em dead however you can! Lol
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