Alternative choice to push-button sling loops on bolt guns?

[carbonbased]

The Cobras cannot be undone when under a load.

I faintly suspected I had forgotten something about the Cobra mechanism! I had somehow thought it worked exactly oppositely. Glad you’re on top of it!

I should’ve listened to my interior voice and taken a minute to research.

80% of life success is remembering the lessons you already learned lol sigh

 

[Kamerad]

Depending on what kind of scenario a user would need to rapidly un-ass a rifle under sling tension, wouldn’t a knife or strap cutter be an option, allowing the sling mount to be robust and uncomplicated? I say that assuming a knife is already readily available in such a scenario.

Gross motor skill vs fine?

 

[Terry Cross]

Depending on what kind of scenario a user would need to rapidly un-ass a rifle under sling tension, wouldn’t a knife or strap cutter be an option, allowing the sling mount to be robust and uncomplicated? I say that assuming a knife is already readily available in such a scenario.

Gross motor skill vs fine?

I'm not referring to an emergency.

If the rifle is slung on the back, getting it off without getting hung up on kit or pulling helmet/comms off isn't easy.

A 14 to 18 lb rifle strapped around you and your gear will usually = a pretty taught sling.
A simple Fastex buckle in the middle allows the user to get cotrol of the rifle and pop the sling apart to get it off easily and quickly with no real fine motor skills.

Even in "an emergency" like getting dunked, popping the Fastex buckle would be faster than drawing a knife and cutting away.

TAB Gear has been making a great sling with this feature for years.

 

[_Windrider_]

I'm not referring to an emergency.

If the rifle is slung on the back, getting off without getting hung up on kit or pulling helmet/comms off isn't easy.

A 14 to 18 lb rifle strapped around you and your gear will usually = a pretty taught sling.
A simple Fastex buckle in the middle allows the user to get cotrol of the rifle and pop the sling apart to get it off easily and quickly with no real fine motor skills.

Even in "an emergency" like getting dunked, popping the Fastex buckle would be faster than drawing a knife and cutting away.

TAB Gear has been making a great sling with this feature for years.

The TAB sling has been my go to for bolt guns for a while. Definitely a great sling.

 

[LeftyJason]

It was the exclusive Bob Ross club. Let me know when you wanna join.

I thought the only way to get into the Bob Ross club was to have at least 10 different shades of fde?

I'm only up to 6 and none two on guns.

Corrected.

And radiant charging handle on my ar.

 

[carbonbased]

I thought the only way to get into the Bob Ross club was to have at least 10 different shades of fde?

I'm only up to 4 and none on guns.

 

[LeftyJason]

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Forgot about two. Corrected above.

 

[dgheriani]

Couldn't you just design in an mlok slot up front (most chassis already have em) and one on either side of the rear of the stock so that guys could just put m-lok hooks to run HK clips or para-clips? I've run around plenty with a heavy rifle on my back with slings held on by qd sockets and never had an issue but I'd be lying if I said I never worried about them popping out, haha.

 

[Bradu]

Your pic made me get in The Way Back machine.

Remember the original AICS 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0 chassis?
They all had steel loops for HK style sling attachments by default. I kinda forgot about that.

That's the first thing that came to mind reading this thread. I like the sling attachments on my AIAE Mk 3.

 

[kthomas]

The QD flush cup system is incredibly poorly designed.

If you use them in any sort of a "hard use" environment, they will eventually fail.

HK hooks are noisy. I have no experience with the Magpul paraclips, they seem interesting.

I'm sure there's much better ways to attach a sling to a rifle.

 

[carbonbased]

HK hooks are noisy. I have no experience with the Magpul paraclips, they seem interesting.

I'm sure there's much better ways to attach a sling to a rifle.

Thinking about this a bit, if the criteria are:

1. Unass-able if gun gets stuck
2. Some semblance of QD
3. Quiet

Almost fail-safe:

1. You get a sling with a Fastex buckle, either one near each end or a single centrally located
2. Add two metal-bodied BFG wire loops (the non-QD kind). Maybe get the long version?
3. Two paraclip weapon-mounted loops; QD socket or MLOK type or use hard-points on the gun (various through-holes etc)

To install sling, pop the Fastex and loop each end through the paraclip/hard-point, then attach each sling end of the Fastex back together. Do the opposite when removing.

Alternatively, use one BFG non-QD metal-bodied wire loop and one metal-bodied BFG Belt-Fed loop. Loop the non-QD bit, then QD the Belt Fed loop.

To attach/detach faster, use a ULoop/Paraclip/etc on each end. The easier it is to do this and the lighter (& maybe less metal-y/less noisy) the system, the slightly less secure the system becomes as the moving parts and convenience both increase.

If you want to reduce the noise of an HK hook or other metal connector, see below. I have some from RifleCraft for my wood guns with hunting sling swivels and they do the trick.

Elastic Hook Cover

Online orders for this item are currently limited to 5 units per item. For larger quantities, contact our team directly at [email protected]

www.blueforcegear.com

Swivel Silencer Pair

Noise discipline is important, and noisy sling swivels are the last thing you want to hear when taking up a shooting position. Swivel Silencers are color coordinated with the elastic keepers included on all RilfeCraft slings. Elastic webbing material is a near-perfect match for all colors...

rifle-craft.com

 

[Kamerad]

Thinking about this a bit, if the criteria are:

1. Unass-able if gun gets stuck
2. Some semblance of QD
3. Quiet

Almost fail-safe:

1. You get a sling with a Fastex buckle, either one near each end or a single centrally located
2. Add two metal-bodied BFG wire loops (the non-QD kind)
3. Two paraclip weapon-mounted loops; QD socket or MLOK type or use hard-points on the gun (various through-holes etc)

To remove/install sling, pop the Fastex and loop each end through the paraclip/hard-point, then attach each sling end of the Fastex back together.

Alternatively, use one BFG non-QD metal-bodied wire loop and one metal-bodied BFG Belt-Fed loop. Loop the non-QD bit, then QD the Belt Fed loop.

To attach/detach faster, use a ULoop/Paraclip/etc on each end. The easier it is to do this and the lighter (& maybe less metal-y/less noisy) the system, the slightly less secure the system becomes as the moving parts and convenience both increase.

If you want to reduce the noise of an HK hook or other metal connector, see below. I have some from RifleCraft for my wood guns with hunting sling swivels and they do the trick.

Elastic Hook Cover

Online orders for this item are currently limited to 5 units per item. For larger quantities, contact our team directly at [email protected]

www.blueforcegear.com

Swivel Silencer Pair

Noise discipline is important, and noisy sling swivels are the last thing you want to hear when taking up a shooting position. Swivel Silencers are color coordinated with the elastic keepers included on all RilfeCraft slings. Elastic webbing material is a near-perfect match for all colors...

rifle-craft.com

I forgot about the hk hook covers, they do work well to quiet them.

ETA - could use the same product to slide over a fastex to reduce noise, damage or accidental release.

 

[Kamerad]

https://www.blueforcegear.com/quick-release

 

[carbonbased]

ETA - could use the same product to slide over a fastex to reduce noise, damage or accidental release.

I dunno about that…they’re awfully tight. Enough so that mine were a bit of a struggle to get over the hunting sling studs.

Over a ~1.25” Fastex buckle, your fingers would give out trying and/or it’d be so tight you’ll risk the thing prematurely popping open the Fastex.

 

[Kamerad]

I dunno about that…they’re awfully tight. Enough so that mine were a bit of a struggle to get over the hunting sling studs.

Over a ~1.25” Fastex buckle, your fingers would give out trying and/or it’d be so tight you’ll risk the thing prematurely popping open the Fastex.

Ah. I’ll suggest an appropriately sized elastic loop then.

 

[carbonbased]

Ah. I’ll suggest an appropriately sized elastic loop then.

Yeah, maybe. I guess I’ve never had a Fastex of any size pop open accidentally. Like when backpacking…I’m not a solider or anything.

Only time I’ve had them break is when they’re lying on the ground, usually unclipped from each other, and my dumb ass steps on them

Although I think I’ve broken them even if they are clipped together. In that case it still worked, but a piece was missing.

 

[Kamerad]

Yeah, maybe. I guess I’ve never had a Fastex of any size pop open accidentally. Like when backpacking…I’m not a solider or anything.

Only time I’ve had them break is when they’re lying on the ground, usually unclipped from each other, and my dumb ass steps on them

Although I think I’ve broken them even if they are clipped together. In that case it still worked, but a piece was missing.

Same, on an Eberlestock pack pouch. Don’t remember what happened, but I was surprised it broke. Maybe I did step on itIt still clipped in, but it wasn’t under load like a sling can be.

 

[Maelstrom]

We switched from QD push buttons to snap hooks or HK hooks years ago at work after a couple of us had the QD buttons get pushed when climbing or repelling in training. I dropped a brand new Scar over 20ft onto concrete when climbing over the edge of a roof on a burglary. Suspect climbed to the roof and cut a hole through to a jewelry store. Myself and another officer climbed up on the other end of the building and as I went over the edge the button pressed against something on my vest and the rifle came loose. Since switching to the HK hooks we have not had this problem but we have had to replace the loops on a couple of rifles where they have worn away. We quickly got rid of the snap hooks after having several fail.