Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.
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"Man, I'd give my left nut for one of them Sig 320s."
So it is written, so it shall be done...
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Coulda been dis or dat, or just Sig, FTW.
So it is written, so it shall be done...
Context:
Coulda been dis or dat, or just Sig, FTW.
Must have been using ball ammo
Now he will only be shooting blanks.
I’ve been looking for that video and the events of that incident for years.
Do we know the details?
I never knew what firearm it was.
Ian has a brilliant idea! Carry the P320 condition 3! Or how about carry anything else?
SIG - Self Inflicted Gunshot , they are not hiding their half-assed approach to business
that holster would have been good for the Jews when they were carrying hi powers with empty chamber. cool idea.
what were the Russians carrying when they went to it? as far as i know all their service pistols,TOK and MAK,at least were problem free in this regard.
what were the Russians carrying when they went to it? as far as i know all their service pistols,TOK and MAK,at least were problem free in this regard.
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Didn't the Israelis do that so if their pistols got snatched in a fight, they couldn't be immediately used aginst them? A holster that chambers upon draw wouldn't be very helpful in that instance.
Sig public statement regarding the P320.
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interesting affair. with so many righteous alts around,how does sig propose to sell these? the 365 was a big win and change the market item. this one is a loser that it seems to me they should suck up and bail. even if the problem is over stated i don't see many people buying in. the gun biz has always had some odd stuff happening for the 60 + years i have been involved as a customer and observer.
The fucking amazing part is how hard the Sigonughts are ramping up their defense of their favorite product like it’s a religious relic.
Even seen many calling Wyoming Guns a retard and homo for making an sig fire like 17 times in a row with the trigger against the wall and some slide wiggling.
He did it , it’s real , refute the evidence or do another video but why flame an old man for doing something multiple times that “cannot happen”.
Guess it ends today
I had one I sold a while ago where the slide would VISIBLY and Noticeably move when the trigger was pulled. It actually disturbed the sight picture noticeably.
Just curious. For all the P320s/M18s that are being shunned by the Military/LE etc. (ie. they reported "incidents" with them), how many of them have have had the suggested "servicing/upgrade" to prevent such incidents? And, have there been any such "incidents" after the servicing/upgrade?
My P320 was upgraded almost immediately after SIG offered the program. Haven't had a lick of trouble with it, since. Technically, I didn't have any trouble with it even before the upgrade, but....
My P320 was upgraded almost immediately after SIG offered the program. Haven't had a lick of trouble with it, since. Technically, I didn't have any trouble with it even before the upgrade, but....
I'm waiting for a proper lawsuit against Sig which goes to trial and includes discovery. Let's see the engineering documents, the test reports, the internal communication, the manufacturing data. Let's see how tolerance stack analysis was used to determine sear engagement and the release point for the firing pin safety, and how that rolled into GD&T for each component, and ultimately how this drove the statistical process control and measurement system analysis in the plant and at the component suppliers. I want to see this company forced to defend its design and manufacturing of this pistol in the same way that an automotive supplier would for a $0.50 piece of interior trim.
And then I want to see the procurement documentation for every agency that decided to go with this pistol over competing products from Glock, S&W, and H&K. My guess is that the people making these decisions have no idea how to discern a good product from bad, and are simply blowing our tax dollars on whomever offers the sweetest deal.
And then I want to see the procurement documentation for every agency that decided to go with this pistol over competing products from Glock, S&W, and H&K. My guess is that the people making these decisions have no idea how to discern a good product from bad, and are simply blowing our tax dollars on whomever offers the sweetest deal.
I am suspicious by nature BUT the only way I can figure how Sig got these contracts this 320 one in particular is some serious kickbacks. Forget for a minute that Cohen was convicted in. German court of weapons trafficking in this time frame - but also from what I’ve read an abbreviated test AND Sig was allowed to drop their per unit price after a certain point in said trials to be $80-90 below nearest competitor.
Then the drop safe issue and the frame cracking issue in the very early days of M17.
That report from FT Riley Kansas the armor unit that took delivery of the first delivered pistols - out of 35 30 were deemed unserviceable and that information was never released until now .
Gets funnier and funnier the deeper we look .
It's either that or they simply bought the business with aggressive pricing in an attempt to take market share from the competition. If you're in government procurement, it would be very difficult to explain why you went with a more expensive product from a "foreign" company instead of the cheaper option from proud hard-working Americans.
Why someone in the first world would choose to spend their money on this
I have no idea, look at those frame rails.
That’s what happens when mechanically uninclined “engineers” design a product.
Another cop suing Sig over the P320.
That wasn’t randomly going off though was it?
And it wasn’t really a gun design flaw, but more of a junk ammo issue?
actually that is mostly what i have read as well. army had a bunch of the wrong powder that Stoner told them not to use. they used it anyway for the $ savings. i have always found that odd just like some say about Sig getting the buy because of price drop.
this gov and esp DOD waste billions thru corruption,waste and stupidity. they can't even stand or complete an audit. yet,they cheap out on THE basic thing-an individual weapon. but we know the movers and shakers give 2 shits about any COT.
Really? One of the most advanced pistols in the world? As in, it’s so advanced that it decides when it’s time to fire a round?
“The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world - meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards.”
“The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world - meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards.”
I would like to see Sig produce a detailed list of those industry safety standards.
Word was that a prominent US General or SecDef (I forget name and actual title) was tied to contracts with Olin. He forcefully steered the 5.56 ammo requirement to specify one of the Olin powders. This was shoved down the throat of the ammo plants without testing and eval.
Turns out the chosen Olin ball powder had too much calcium carbonate as a stabilizer. This would build up in the M16 gas tube enough to restict/-retard gas flow. Eventually the rifles would cease to cycle regardless of how much oil you slopped into the bolt. The build up was exacerbated by high humidity, high ambient heat and high fire rates that heated the gas system. New rifles would run great then slowly die of gas starvation once put into service.
The early M16s and XM15 design had a lot of stuff right but shitty ammo was hard to overcome. Even the best horse can't win a race if you poison their feed.
So, as with other things, they all can be dangerous if used incorrectly and/or with evil intent. Don't try to manipulate a failure just to be able to say the weapon is a failure.
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