Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.

[Matt Moxness]

I saw a video where the tiny parts in the striker assembly broke and caused the problem.

Looking at the firing mechanism in that gun it’s obvious that it is too complicated and fragile. It’s a stereotypical crunchenticker. Whoever designed it is a retard.

Col Jeff Cooper would be proud of you using his “crunchenticker” word!

 

[918v]

Maybe it’s a holster issue?

 

[Tokay444]

I have yet to see a single test performed where the trigger isn't manipulated in some fashion. Even the test where a pick is used to press the sear down from the back of the slide physically moves the trigger bar and trigger. This moves the striker safety catch, and lets the striker fall all the way.
What I am curious to know is, under which scenarios does the striker safety catch actually catch the striker, and under which scenarios the second shelf on the sear catches the striker. Every test so far defeats both of these safeties by way of moving the trigger.

 

[hlee]

I have yet to see a single test performed where the trigger isn't manipulated in some fashion. Even the test where a pick is used to press the sear down from the back of the slide physically moves the trigger bar and trigger. This moved the striker safety catch, and lets the striker fall all the way.
What I am curious to know is, under which scenarios does the striker safety catch actually catch the striker, and under which scenarios the second shelf on the sear catches the striker. Every test so far defeats both of these safeties by way of moving the trigger.

Yes, and the “NEW VIDEO SHOWS 320 DISCHARGING WITHOUT A TRIGGER PRESS” had a screw in the mech, holding the trigger with all of the pre-travel taken up.” I’d equate that to pulling through the first stage of a 2 stage trigger. Somewhat more than “without a trigger press.”

 

[hlee]

This is what happens inside of my (unvaxed) p320 when you take up the pre travel…

A little dingus moves up.

That little dingus interacts with the striker safety.

There is no second shelf on the sear…

 

[Tokay444]

That's the old sear.

 

[Maser]

 

[Edsel]

That's the old sear.
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I have yet to recall any Glock parts so convolutedly intricate.

Glock trigger parts are all stamped steel (and plastic, of course) - nothing MIM, correct?

 

[E. Bryant]

I have yet to recall any Glock parts so convolutedly intricate.

Glock trigger parts are all stamped steel (and plastic, of course) - nothing MIM, correct?

There are Glock parts that are almost certainly MIM - the firing pin, the firing pin safety plunger, and the locking block immediately come to mind. But like every part in a Glock, they appear to be designed as part of a system that is very tolerant of widely varying component dimensions.

MIM is not bad technology - it's successfully used for many automotive powertrain components (stuff like connecting rods, transmission gears, ring and spider gears in diffs, etc.). Sig's problem isn't the MIM process, it's the excessively fussy design and the dogshit component supply chain. Like most polymer pistols, the cost-of-goods-sold is so ridiculously low that there is zero excuse for outsourcing critical firing control group components to India. Go talk to a domestic company that makes critical auto/medical/military MIM parts, pay 2-3x for parts that actually meet the print, reap the financial benefits of not discharging live rounds into your user base.

 

[Numedal]

There are Glock parts that are almost certainly MIM - the firing pin, the firing pin safety plunger, and the locking block immediately come to mind. But like every part in a Glock, they appear to be designed as part of a system that is very tolerant of widely varying component dimensions.

MIM is not bad technology - it's successfully used for many automotive powertrain components (stuff like connecting rods, transmission gears, ring and spider gears in diffs, etc.). Sig's problem isn't the MIM process, it's the excessively fussy design and the dogshit component supply chain. Like most polymer pistols, the cost-of-goods-sold is so ridiculously low that there is zero excuse for outsourcing critical firing control group components to India. Go talk to a domestic company that makes critical auto/medical/military MIM parts, pay 2-3x for parts that actually meet the print, reap the financial benefits of not discharging live rounds into your user base.

Exactly, I don't recall Ruger having problems with spontaneous discharge despite using MIM parts, but then again, they manufacture them in-house and have invested a lot in the technology.

 

[Edsel]

MIM is not bad technology

I suppose my statement could be misconstrued along those lines - I was thinking more along how SIG could only use MIM to fashion these really intricately - shaped, tiny parts.

Comparing the Glock’s internals - its staplegun mechanism just looks so much more fault - tolerant.