Anschutz 1727 APR

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Looks like a pretty sweet rifle not sure I understand the AICS magazines though, maybe there are limitations with the ordinary 1727/1710 magazine that are hard to overcome.

I like the look of the steel forend version, and it’d nice to see they went with a decently heavy profile barrel.
The base rifle (with steel forend) is around 17lb which is nice you don’t need to go and buy a tonne of weights for it.
 
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Here's a picture of the standard vs competition version. The second image (with black forend) is the solid steel version.
Barrel dimensions 22in x ~1.10 (28mm)

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Hey gents,
If you are thinking of one of these in the future, you may want to act. I spoke with A.N.A. today. They are only getting 6 of these rifles out of the first production run. I got on the list for one so maybe 5 left. I inquired about the “Gas Pedal” which is the thumb assist lever on the bolt.
They are trying to get those shipped in too, and I have been told it’s a super easy installation. I want one for my 1727F in the ATX chassis.
I’d cancel my order if I could find someone that has the expertise to mill out the ATX for RimX mags. I think that would be great for my personal taste.
 
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M18X1.0 muzzle threads…

While I truly believe that is a superior thread size for suppressors (especially for rimfire applications), it’s a tough sell here in the US. Maybe the ones imported here will be 1/2X28, but I didn’t see that anywhere.
 
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jbell said:
M18X1.0 muzzle threads…

While I truly believe that is a superior thread size for suppressors (especially for rimfire applications), it’s a tough sell here in the US. Maybe the ones imported here will be 1/2X28, but I didn’t see that anywhere.
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It's a tough sell anywhere, the standard RF thread sizes are always 1/2x28 or 1/2x20. But I imagine it's more there for tuners rather than a suppressor.

I guess they didn't want to counter bore the muzzle like they usual do, so just use went for the biggest thread practical.
 
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beetroot said:
It's a tough sell anywhere, the standard RF thread sizes are always 1/2x28 or 1/2x20. But I imagine it's more there for tuners rather than a suppressor.

I guess they didn't want to counter bore the muzzle like they usual do, so just use went for the biggest thread practical.
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In my opinion this is how it should have always been, the only time 1/2”-5/8” muzzle threads are acceptable are for pencil thin barrels. But that is just like my opinion man…
 
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I got to play with this rifle and the 1761 APR Gen2 (ACC Gen2 chassis).

Man it's a sweet rifle, they definitely put a lot of thought into it and took feedback from actual shooters.
Pretty much everything you could ever want is adjustable, or there are replacement parts to make it fit like a glove.

Definitely the coolest rimfire I've ever seen.

The Czech factory team is going to be shooting them at the IPRF PRS22 world champs this week, will be interesting to see how they perform.
 
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There was a video ( one of the anschutz sponsored shooters maybe?) where they showed installing the action in the chassis , now I can’t find it anywhere
 
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I watched a few of these new rifle at the IPRF PR22 comp.

From what I could tell they all ran flawlessly and are very impressive rifles.
The straight pull action meant double taps were extremely fast, and the magazines can be attached together (side by side) so the mag changes are very fast.

The Czech factory team all shot these rifles and came 2nd, so they clearly work very well.
 
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beetroot said:
I watched a few of these new rifle at the IPRF PR22 comp.

From what I could tell they all ran flawlessly and are very impressive rifles.
The straight pull action meant double taps were extremely fast, and the magazines can be attached together (side by side) so the mag changes are very fast.

The Czech factory team all shot these rifles and came 2nd, so they clearly work very well.
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Yeah, that’s great to hear.
If they ran flawlessly at a big match like that and the Czech team managed 2nd with them, it really shows they’re solid rifles. The straight-pull and linked mags sound like a big advantage for speed too - definitely impressive.
 
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When I used to use my 1827F for NRL22 I'd pick up extra points on stages with awkward positions, meaning I didn't need to change or break my current position, and sometimes that made for winning the match.

So it's much like using a semi except having the precision of a bolt gun. You save time and use that time to build a more congenial hold, as well as gauge what the wind is doing, and to think of your next move without being rushed.

It all adds up to a few points more per match if the stages are set up to take advantage of the attributes the Fortner offers.

One of my favorite memories was of a large double spinner stage in which one got extra points for how many revolutions you got. The semi's did well if timed right, I did well also, but the bolt guns not so much on that stage. I won that match and this stage was part of the reason.
 
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I spoke to a good friend at Anschutz NA about this a couple months ago. The new mag design was for the NRL/PRS crowd. They should be easier to load and that would be a plus to me. Down side is this version has been on order for quite some time but has yet to show up at ANA. They had no ETA and there was possibly some issue with the mags(don't remember exactly).
I own two 1727 rifles, one in a GRS Hybrid and another in the ATX chassis. I see no limitations. In fact, I shoot these two 100% and my son is shooting the Vudoo. The only thing I miss is the ease of loading VUdoo mags v. the Annie mags (springs are very tight on the newest ones I have).
 
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shoot4fun said:
I spoke to a good friend at Anschutz NA about this a couple months ago. The new mag design was for the NRL/PRS crowd. They should be easier to load and that would be a plus to me. Down side is this version has been on order for quite some time but has yet to show up at ANA. They had no ETA and there was possibly some issue with the mags(don't remember exactly).
I own two 1727 rifles, one in a GRS Hybrid and another in the ATX chassis. I see no limitations. In fact, I shoot these two 100% and my son is shooting the Vudoo. The only thing I miss is the ease of loading VUdoo mags v. the Annie mags (springs are very tight on the newest ones I have).
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I hope they get the mag right because if they don't that'll ruin the whole thing. The reliability of the Fortner is as important as the cool action is. It's gotta work 99.999 % of the time, and especially at this price tier.

Man Anschutz you have one chance so don't screw it up!
 
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steve123 said:
I hope they get the mag right because if they don't that'll ruin the whole thing. The reliability of the Fortner is as important as the cool action is. It's gotta work 99.999 % of the time, and especially at this price tier.

Man Anschutz you have one chance so don't screw it up!
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I guess I have missed something. I have just over 2600 rounds through mine with no mag issues at all. I personally see absolutely no reason to break in a new style magazine with it’s temperamental nature, what a waste!
 
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oldrifleman said:
I guess I have missed something. I have just over 2600 rounds through mine with no mag issues at all. I personally see absolutely no reason to break in a new style magazine with its temperamental nature, what a waste!
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Well, the AICS magazine footprint is predominant in action shooting…direct competitors are using it.
 
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oldrifleman said:
I guess I have missed something. I have just over 2600 rounds through mine with no mag issues at all. I personally see absolutely no reason to break in a new style magazine with it’s temperamental nature, what a waste!
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I don't mind a new magazine system but it has to be as close to perfect as possible. You know how some companies are, they'll bring out great innovative products but rush it out with problems that haven't been worked out yet because the bean counters and ceo's thought we were dumb and wouldn't notice.

I wonder if perhaps the new mags are more than 10 rounds? I really haven't read up on any of it but saw that the mags looked more AI mag-ish like those of Vudoo and RimX.
 
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TheOE800 said:
Well, the AICS magazine footprint is predominant in action shooting…direct competitors are using it.
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I guess that gets me a So What, as my dad used to say if you see 5 lemmings jump off the cliff are going to joint them? They are predominant because the others are shooting 700 footprint actions and all I hear about them is that they are fragile or don't feed right. O'Well, not going to get one of the new ones anyway, thinking about getting another AI for one of my 54:18s.
 
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oldrifleman said:
I guess that gets me a So What, as my dad used to say if you see 5 lemmings jump off the cliff are going to joint them? They are predominant because the others are shooting 700 footprint actions and all I hear about them is that they are fragile or don't feed right. O'Well, not going to get one of the new ones anyway, thinking about getting another AI for one of my 54:18s.
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In the infancy of long range precision 22 shooting, it was viewed as a “training tool” for “ real “ full size centerfire PRS type guns, which is where the big mags came from. As rimfire has now taken on a life of its own, I see no reason on the continued use of the aics type magazines.

Lots of rimfire guns feed flawlessly from the small pattern rimfire specific mags, so why struggle with these big boxes? Just doesn’t make sense to me
 
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MajorD said:
In the infancy of long range precision 22 shooting, it was viewed as a “training tool” for “ real “ full size centerfire PRS type guns, which is where the big mags came from. As rimfire has now taken on a life of its own, I see no reason on the continued use of the aics type magazines.

Lots of rimfire guns feed flawlessly from the small pattern rimfire specific mags, so why struggle with these big boxes? Just doesn’t make sense to me
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It's not necessarily a struggle with the larger mags. They are easier to load than my new Anschutz mags and easier to get them instead in the magazine well. The latter important when mag changes on the clock are needed.
Now, as far as what I was told on why the mag may be a sticking point for this new iteration, it is possibly a question of making sure there are no US patents to cause issue later.
 
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oldrifleman said:
I guess that gets me a So What...
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The advancement of the APR is they are promising it will balance better.
MajorD said:
In the infancy of long range precision 22 shooting, it was viewed as a “training tool” for “ real “ full size centerfire PRS type guns, which is where the big mags came from. As rimfire has now taken on a life of its own, I see no reason on the continued use of the aics type magazines.
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+1 agree 100%, but the benefit of small magazines is moving the CoG closer to the shooter. The only designers that got that right (so far) was the Tikka/Sako team that did the T1x.

The anchutz actions (both the 54 and 1827Fortner) have loading port too far forward to benefit from small-width magzines--in terms of CoG relocation.

Since that is the case, they arguably aren't really "losing any benefit" by using the AICS pattern mags on the APR.
 
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shoot4fun said:
I spoke to a good friend at Anschutz NA about this a couple months ago. The new mag design was for the NRL/PRS crowd. They should be easier to load and that would be a plus to me. Down side is this version has been on order for quite some time but has yet to show up at ANA. They had no ETA and there was possibly some issue with the mags(don't remember exactly).
I own two 1727 rifles, one in a GRS Hybrid and another in the ATX chassis. I see no limitations. In fact, I shoot these two 100% and my son is shooting the Vudoo. The only thing I miss is the ease of loading VUdoo mags v. the Annie mags (springs are very tight on the newest ones I have).
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Sounds like the rifles have been available for awhile now, but yes the magazines only came out a few weeks ago.

I've seen the rifle for sale in the UK, I think there's some in Australia too.
So presumably the magazines are now available (otherwise the rifles wouldn't be for sale).
 
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ma smith said:
The advancement of the APR is they are promising it will balance better.

+1 agree 100%, but the benefit of small magazines is moving the CoG closer to the shooter. The only designers that got that right (so far) was the Tikka/Sako team that did the T1x.

The anchutz actions (both the 54 and 1827Fortner) have loading port too far forward to benefit from small-width magzines--in terms of CoG relocation.

Since that is the case, they arguably aren't really "losing any benefit" by using the AICS pattern mags on the APR.
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The balance point on the APR really isn't an issue, especially with the steel forend.

I'm not that fussed by AICS magazines, but it is nice that they drop free and the mag release can be done with your trigger finger. I think AICS mag changes can be done quicker than CZ/Tikka ones.

The Anschutz magazines can also be attached together, so for comp use mag changed are very fast.

For a hunting rifle I see zero benefit to AICS magazines, and many limitations, but for comp use I think AICS pattern might've been the right call for this rifle.
 
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steve123 said:
I hope they get the mag right because if they don't that'll ruin the whole thing. The reliability of the Fortner is as important as the cool action is. It's gotta work 99.999 % of the time, and especially at this price tier.

Man Anschutz you have one chance so don't screw it up!
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From what I've seen the magazines and the rifles function flawlessly.

I haven't personally run one for thousands of rounds, but the initial signs are promising.
 
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beetroot said:
Sounds like the rifles have been available for awhile now, but yes the magazines only came out a few weeks ago.

I've seen the rifle for sale in the UK, I think there's some in Australia too.
So presumably the magazines are now available (otherwise the rifles wouldn't be for sale).
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Yes, the rifle has been built for some time now, or at least offered to ANA. IIRC, I was told they ordered them 2 years ago and magazines were the holdup. I would expect them to show up here in time for SHOT but the down side was (tariffs) these were going to be "rather expensive". After what I paid for my 1727F/ATX combo I cannot imaging just where "rather expensive" will put it.
 
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shoot4fun said:
Yes, the rifle has been built for some time now, or at least offered to ANA. IIRC, I was told they ordered them 2 years ago and magazines were the holdup. I would expect them to show up here in time for SHOT but the down side was (tariffs) these were going to be "rather expensive". After what I paid for my 1727F/ATX combo I cannot imaging just where "rather expensive" will put it.
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Pricing I've heard/seen has been:
£5100
€6000
$9000 AUD

Not sure what pricing in US would be, but if the AT-X chassis is machined in the US chances are this APR modle will be more expensive.
 
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beetroot said:
Pricing I've heard/seen has been:
£5100
€6000
$9000 AUD

Not sure what pricing in US would be, but if the AT-X chassis is machined in the US chances are this APR modle will be more expensive.
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At today's exchange rate €6000 is right at $7,000 and that's $1,000+ more than I just paid for the 1727F/ATX.
Not knowing how the tariffs stack up right now I would guess that would be additional as well.
 
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shoot4fun said:
At today's exchange rate €6000 is right at $7,000 and that's $1,000+ more than I just paid for the 1727F/ATX.
Not knowing how the tariffs stack up right now I would guess that would be additional as well.
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That's the version with the steel forend, the aluminum forend was about €500 cheaper.

In the US it might not make any sense to buy the APR, but the AT-X version isn't available outside of the US.
 
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