Ingenuity Powder System

The Lee? Good enough. It’s consistently close to the target drop for the trickler to make quick work finishing it off.

I think I was dropping Varget the other night. I had it set to 34.5 I think? It was always writhin a 0.10 or two.

I just wanted something cheap as a stop gap while I waited (…and waited. …and waited) for the IP thrower. And honestly I can’t see spending the money on any of the premium culver style throwers (maybe the Harrels, never used one?). None of them are going to be good enough as stand alone solutions. Might as well get the cheapest one and the best trickler. And actually I think the Lee premium offering is, despite being inexpensive, probably one of the better culver style throwers I’ve tried. I like being able to record the setting on the Lee micrometer in order to set it up quickly for powder changes. It’s easy to read, accurate and repeatable.

So far it’s been the perfect solution. As stated, I’m going to order the Area 419 die ring and glue it to the top as someone else suggested so I can mount the dropper right over the cup.
The Lee dropper on its own stand not sitting at top of the scale would probably work fine. But on top of the V2 it gave me fits for the large stick powders so I sold it and got a V4 to hold me over.

The V4 does fine as long as you use an appropriate shim and you just reminded me I need to go buy a set of labeled shims to make it easier. The little circles I have cut from business cards right now stick to the little bumper on the back of the V4 and when I empty it they fall in with the powder And twice I have not discovered them and put the powder back in the hopper only to have it clogged up the system with the little shim.

#growingpains
 
Regarding Granite Blocks

I asked Paul whether a granite block was necessary and he said he could not perceive a difference. I was curious with the users with blocks if they saw a difference?
This is something I would be willing to test with a very reliable trickle like if the IP ever comes out.

You could do 100 throws with and without the granite block and see what you’re overthrow rate is.

My guess is that there is a difference, you would have to do a test that included 500 or 1000 rounds to have the statistical power to find a statistically significant difference
 
The Lee dropper on its own stand not sitting at top of the scale would probably work fine. But on top of the V2 it gave me fits for the large stick powders so I sold it and got a V4 to hold me over.

The V4 does fine as long as you use an appropriate shim and you just reminded me I need to go buy a set of labeled shims to make it easier. The little circles I have cut from business cards right now stick to the little bumper on the back of the V4 and when I empty it they fall in with the powder And twice I have not discovered them and put the powder back in the hopper only to have it clogged up the system with the little shim.

#growingpains
Mkm is releasing there spacers and tips very soon. Im using the spacers from a guy off here that are labeled they also sell them on unknownmunitions.com
 
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Not really. It has this little rubber wiper inside the drum. Really helps to keep stick powders from breaking and binding. You set the tension with the screw know on the right. More or less tension against the rubber wiper depending on the powder. And the fit and finish is much better than the usual Lee stuff. It’s actually very good View attachment 8776704
Might need to give it a try.

The RCBS that i have binds on h4350, and varget.
 
Where did the granite need come from?
There's a "need" to isolate the scale from vibrations, like running the press, etc. I built a shelf a few inches above the reloading bench mounted to the wall to isolate the scale. I don't believe the granite plate sitting on the reloading bench helps. If you place it on a shelf or another bench it would work great.
 
There's a "need" to isolate the scale from vibrations, like running the press, etc. I built a shelf a few inches above the reloading bench mounted to the wall to isolate the scale. I don't believe the granite plate sitting on the reloading bench helps. If you place it on a shelf or another bench it would work great.

Exactly. My A&D/IP setup is on a 3" thick certified granite slab sitting on a 3/4" plywood shelf that has a rubber toolbox liner on it so nothing slides, mounted 6" above my bench. Everything is plugged into a APC 1500VA Pure Sinewave UPS
 
Where did the granite need come from?

Industrial measuring, weighing applications where certified accuracy is required. Certified granite slabs with an A or AA rating are used in all types of labs due to it resisting warping and sagging. It can be machined to extremely flat surface and has natural dampening properties which absorbs vibrations, which is crucial for sensitive highly accurate measurements..

Non-magnetic so doesn't interfere with electronic measuring equipment, low-thermal expansion so its not significantly affected by temp fluctuations. Extremely durable so resistant to wear.

You can get a certified granite slab that nicely fits your scale and IP setup with room to spare for around $100
 
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There's a "need" to isolate the scale from vibrations, like running the press, etc. I built a shelf a few inches above the reloading bench mounted to the wall to isolate the scale. I don't believe the granite plate sitting on the reloading bench helps. If you place it on a shelf or another bench it would work great.
I would think putting the slab on a Sorbothane pad would be the icing on the cake.
 
I would think putting the slab on a Sorbothane pad would be the icing on the cake.
...in a climate-controlled greenhouse set at 68°F, 55% humidity, CO2 levels hovering around 1,250PPM, and surrounded by AlphaSorb Polyester Core Acoustic Panels inlaid with AAA Italian marble.

Meanwhile, me way back in the day loading on a Chargemaster with a McDonald's straw stuffed up the drop-tube while seating bullets on the same bench as my scale spitting out single digit SD/<20ES ammo under LED lighting. :)

I'm not worthy.
 
...in a climate-controlled greenhouse set at 68°F, 55% humidity, CO2 levels hovering around 1,250PPM, and surrounded by AlphaSorb Polyester Core Acoustic Panels inlaid with AAA Italian marble.

Meanwhile, me way back in the day loading on a Chargemaster with a McDonald's straw stuffed up the drop-tube while seating bullets on the same bench as my scale spitting out single digit SD/<20ES ammo under LED lighting. :)

I'm not worthy.
the plastic was a game changer sir!,,,

Alas, because the 🐢 became a cocaine addict, plastic straws went the way of the dodo 🦤
All but a sweet memory now
 
...in a climate-controlled greenhouse set at 68°F, 55% humidity, CO2 levels hovering around 1,250PPM, and surrounded by AlphaSorb Polyester Core Acoustic Panels inlaid with AAA Italian marble.

Meanwhile, me way back in the day loading on a Chargemaster with a McDonald's straw stuffed up the drop-tube while seating bullets on the same bench as my scale spitting out single digit SD/<20ES ammo under LED lighting. :)

I'm not worthy.
I think the McDonalds straw is where it all went off the rails if we are going to be honest. First person to try and tell people about it opened a pandora's box.
 
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I think the McDonalds straw is where it all went off the rails if we are going to be honest. First person to try and tell people about it opened a pandora's box.
I think it was just one step on the path of enlightenment and evolution; we're come a long way since then, sir, technologically speaking...(embarrassed to admit I bought some of these back then, but I know I am not alone). :)

#Gucci


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I think it was just one step on the path of enlightenment and evolution; we're come a long way since then, sir, technologically speaking...(embarrassed to admit I bought some of these back then, but I know I am not alone). :)

#Gucci


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I still have my Dandy trickler. I think thats where things really went sideways for me. The McDonalds straw and the 3D printed tip were the gateway drugs.
 
I think it was just one step on the path of enlightenment and evolution; we're come a long way since then, sir, technologically speaking...(embarrassed to admit I bought some of these back then, but I know I am not alone). :)

#Gucci


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I'll one up that. I had brass threaded inserts in both of my Chargemasters.
 
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the keypad and wind screen arrived to day. A bit of learning curve and remembered there comment on the set up. went through all the steps and all seems well. Will get the dropper when it comes out but will be cranking them out with the V3 until than.
I wanted to get away from be tied to phone app, even though it does have one. I like the buttons.
 
Could it be what is available now IS the final product?
He really should market it like that and then add the dropper as an add-on later.

I was going to add the IP trickler to my V3 but after seeing all the delays I started questioning if any support will be around in a few years. So I put that on hold. If my V3 trickler gives up maybe I'll upgrade, but there isn't much to wear out.
 
Notwithstanding a certain self-righteous poster in this thread who doesn't think we have any standing to be at all critical of this product rollout (or lack of same), the fact remains that Paul simply needs a project manager. He seems to be totally ignorant of how to manage a product development properly and communicate status of same to his market base.

In decades of working in high tech...including a number of start-ups...my experience is that technical innovators rarely have the skill set to actually manage their product development. When Ciena (long haul optical network company) was founded, the venture capitalists refused to let the founder and technical genius (Dr. Dave Huber) run the company. They put an actual experienced business person in charge, Pat Nettles. Genius on their part.

Huber then left with his 100's of millions and a resentment and started Corvis....an highly innovative long haul optical company....and named himself President/CEO/Chairman of the board.

Ciena is still thriving while Corvis is in the ash heap...mainly due to Huber's lack of skill in actually managing a company and product development.

Yeah, little Ingenuity Precision is not even in the same universe as a hugely funded, big time, tech start up. But the lesson is applicable. No matter how gee whiz wonderful the product concept, the need for basic tenets of product development/rollout project management remain the same.

Cheers
 
been messing around with the keypad set up with my V3 as the dropper for a couple days. I really like
being able to slow the trickle down. So far only a few over shows. Have been using varget mainly with
some 4350 and cfe223 mixed in. have not messed with making profiles as that seems to be a IP thrower
only option, but I can see where it would come in handy once it comes out.
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Notwithstanding a certain self-righteous poster in this thread who doesn't think we have any standing to be at all critical of this product rollout (or lack of same), the fact remains that Paul simply needs a project manager. He seems to be totally ignorant of how to manage a product development properly and communicate status of same to his market base.

In decades of working in high tech...including a number of start-ups...my experience is that technical innovators rarely have the skill set to actually manage their product development. When Ciena (long haul optical network company) was founded, the venture capitalists refused to let the founder and technical genius (Dr. Dave Huber) run the company. They put an actual experienced business person in charge, Pat Nettles. Genius on their part.

Huber then left with his 100's of millions and a resentment and started Corvis....an highly innovative long haul optical company....and named himself President/CEO/Chairman of the board.

Ciena is still thriving while Corvis is in the ash heap...mainly due to Huber's lack of skill in actually managing a company and product development.

Yeah, little Ingenuity Precision is not even in the same universe as a hugely funded, big time, tech start up. But the lesson is applicable. No matter how gee whiz wonderful the product concept, the need for basic tenets of product development/rollout project management remain the same.

Cheers
Im an early stage VC in very advanced medical technology and software with some very large corporate partners. We have some amazing innovators in our portfolio but we rarely keep the CEOs, who are all highly technical and scientists. Most of our nightmares are self inflicted failures are due to poor management by founders who refuse to step aside and we no longer invest founders arent willing to do so if needed.

As it relates to IP - I do wish Paul would fill people in on whats going on - but thats up to him. I have the Hybrid system and will buy the powder drop when it's available - so it really doesnt matter what he does. I would do it differently but I also dont invent things, thats not my skill set, so my mind works different - not better or worse - just different. In his case if he's just waiting on a machine to be fixed still - not much he can do - other than tell people whats going on and offer the system as it stands with the ability to just buy the dropper without the electronics and motor later. That being said, have no idea what his production is like or if this is even feasible or even worth it. If this system works as intended - he will sell a lot of them regardless of whats going on.