Ingenuity Powder System

[eric90503]

Regarding Granite Blocks

I asked Paul whether a granite block was necessary and he said he could not perceive a difference. I was curious with the users with blocks if they saw a difference?

 

[secondofangle2]

The Lee? Good enough. It’s consistently close to the target drop for the trickler to make quick work finishing it off.

I think I was dropping Varget the other night. I had it set to 34.5 I think? It was always writhin a 0.10 or two.

I just wanted something cheap as a stop gap while I waited (…and waited. …and waited) for the IP thrower. And honestly I can’t see spending the money on any of the premium culver style throwers (maybe the Harrels, never used one?). None of them are going to be good enough as stand alone solutions. Might as well get the cheapest one and the best trickler. And actually I think the Lee premium offering is, despite being inexpensive, probably one of the better culver style throwers I’ve tried. I like being able to record the setting on the Lee micrometer in order to set it up quickly for powder changes. It’s easy to read, accurate and repeatable.

So far it’s been the perfect solution. As stated, I’m going to order the Area 419 die ring and glue it to the top as someone else suggested so I can mount the dropper right over the cup.

The Lee dropper on its own stand not sitting at top of the scale would probably work fine. But on top of the V2 it gave me fits for the large stick powders so I sold it and got a V4 to hold me over.

The V4 does fine as long as you use an appropriate shim and you just reminded me I need to go buy a set of labeled shims to make it easier. The little circles I have cut from business cards right now stick to the little bumper on the back of the V4 and when I empty it they fall in with the powder And twice I have not discovered them and put the powder back in the hopper only to have it clogged up the system with the little shim.

#growingpains

 

[secondofangle2]

Regarding Granite Blocks

I asked Paul whether a granite block was necessary and he said he could not perceive a difference. I was curious with the users with blocks if they saw a difference?

This is something I would be willing to test with a very reliable trickle like if the IP ever comes out.

You could do 100 throws with and without the granite block and see what you’re overthrow rate is.

My guess is that there is a difference, you would have to do a test that included 500 or 1000 rounds to have the statistical power to find a statistically significant difference

 

[FNG1001]

Where did the granite need come from?

 

[Schw15]

The Lee dropper on its own stand not sitting at top of the scale would probably work fine. But on top of the V2 it gave me fits for the large stick powders so I sold it and got a V4 to hold me over.

The V4 does fine as long as you use an appropriate shim and you just reminded me I need to go buy a set of labeled shims to make it easier. The little circles I have cut from business cards right now stick to the little bumper on the back of the V4 and when I empty it they fall in with the powder And twice I have not discovered them and put the powder back in the hopper only to have it clogged up the system with the little shim.

#growingpains

Mkm is releasing there spacers and tips very soon. Im using the spacers from a guy off here that are labeled they also sell them on unknownmunitions.com

 

[secondofangle2]

Where did the granite need come from?

It came from a superstition about vibrations and the idea that a chunk of countertop somehow dampens vibrations in a magical way - or maybe it’s that I just don’t understand it

 

[FNG1001]

Not really. It has this little rubber wiper inside the drum. Really helps to keep stick powders from breaking and binding. You set the tension with the screw know on the right. More or less tension against the rubber wiper depending on the powder. And the fit and finish is much better than the usual Lee stuff. It’s actually very good View attachment 8776704

Might need to give it a try.

The RCBS that i have binds on h4350, and varget.

 

[AllenOne1]

Where did the granite need come from?

There's a "need" to isolate the scale from vibrations, like running the press, etc. I built a shelf a few inches above the reloading bench mounted to the wall to isolate the scale. I don't believe the granite plate sitting on the reloading bench helps. If you place it on a shelf or another bench it would work great.

 

[padom]

There's a "need" to isolate the scale from vibrations, like running the press, etc. I built a shelf a few inches above the reloading bench mounted to the wall to isolate the scale. I don't believe the granite plate sitting on the reloading bench helps. If you place it on a shelf or another bench it would work great.

Exactly. My A&D/IP setup is on a 3" thick certified granite slab sitting on a 3/4" plywood shelf that has a rubber toolbox liner on it so nothing slides, mounted 6" above my bench. Everything is plugged into a APC 1500VA Pure Sinewave UPS

 

[padom]

Where did the granite need come from?

Industrial measuring, weighing applications where certified accuracy is required. Certified granite slabs with an A or AA rating are used in all types of labs due to it resisting warping and sagging. It can be machined to extremely flat surface and has natural dampening properties which absorbs vibrations, which is crucial for sensitive highly accurate measurements..

Non-magnetic so doesn't interfere with electronic measuring equipment, low-thermal expansion so its not significantly affected by temp fluctuations. Extremely durable so resistant to wear.

You can get a certified granite slab that nicely fits your scale and IP setup with room to spare for around $100

 

[biggershooter]

There's a "need" to isolate the scale from vibrations, like running the press, etc. I built a shelf a few inches above the reloading bench mounted to the wall to isolate the scale. I don't believe the granite plate sitting on the reloading bench helps. If you place it on a shelf or another bench it would work great.

I would think putting the slab on a Sorbothane pad would be the icing on the cake.

 

[Jingoist]

I would think putting the slab on a Sorbothane pad would be the icing on the cake.

...in a climate-controlled greenhouse set at 68°F, 55% humidity, CO2 levels hovering around 1,250PPM, and surrounded by AlphaSorb Polyester Core Acoustic Panels inlaid with AAA Italian marble.

Meanwhile, me way back in the day loading on a Chargemaster with a McDonald's straw stuffed up the drop-tube while seating bullets on the same bench as my scale spitting out single digit SD/<20ES ammo under LED lighting.

I'm not worthy.

 

[biggershooter]

...in a climate-controlled greenhouse set at

You forgot to specify the local gravity gradient and latitude / longitude.

My post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I get good results on a plastic card table. But if someone is going to go granite slab, surely vibration-isolating Sorbothane is also necessary...

 

[popeye089]

...in a climate-controlled greenhouse set at 68°F, 55% humidity, CO2 levels hovering around 1,250PPM, and surrounded by AlphaSorb Polyester Core Acoustic Panels inlaid with AAA Italian marble.

Meanwhile, me way back in the day loading on a Chargemaster with a McDonald's straw stuffed up the drop-tube while seating bullets on the same bench as my scale spitting out single digit SD/<20ES ammo under LED lighting.

I'm not worthy.

the plastic was a game changer sir!,,,

Alas, because the became a cocaine addict, plastic straws went the way of the dodo
All but a sweet memory now

 

[Sebrock]

...in a climate-controlled greenhouse set at 68°F, 55% humidity, CO2 levels hovering around 1,250PPM, and surrounded by AlphaSorb Polyester Core Acoustic Panels inlaid with AAA Italian marble.

Meanwhile, me way back in the day loading on a Chargemaster with a McDonald's straw stuffed up the drop-tube while seating bullets on the same bench as my scale spitting out single digit SD/<20ES ammo under LED lighting.

I'm not worthy.

I think the McDonalds straw is where it all went off the rails if we are going to be honest. First person to try and tell people about it opened a pandora's box.

 

[Jingoist]

I think the McDonalds straw is where it all went off the rails if we are going to be honest. First person to try and tell people about it opened a pandora's box.

I think it was just one step on the path of enlightenment and evolution; we're come a long way since then, sir, technologically speaking...(embarrassed to admit I bought some of these back then, but I know I am not alone).

#Gucci

 

[Sebrock]

I think it was just one step on the path of enlightenment and evolution; we're come a long way since then, sir, technologically speaking...(embarrassed to admit I bought some of these back then, but I know I am not alone).

#Gucci


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I still have my Dandy trickler. I think thats where things really went sideways for me. The McDonalds straw and the 3D printed tip were the gateway drugs.

 

[ggmanning]

I think it was just one step on the path of enlightenment and evolution; we're come a long way since then, sir, technologically speaking...(embarrassed to admit I bought some of these back then, but I know I am not alone).

#Gucci


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I'll one up that. I had brass threaded inserts in both of my Chargemasters.

 

[TBK]

the plastic was a game changer sir!,,,

Alas, because the became a cocaine addict, plastic straws went the way of the dodo
All but a sweet memory now

I still have about a dozen 20yo pre-ban McD's straws in their original wrapper. No low balls,. I know what I've got....