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Police Officer Shot and no one helps

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For those of you reading this....and there are those like this on this board; I don't know if you were legitimately wronged by LE, or just got a sore vag because a cop told you to put on your seatbelt, maybe mommy and/or daddy taught you to dislike the police, or it could be your just an asshole, but if you look the other way when a person (cop or not) is in a situation like this, and you choose not to help, you are just as bad, if not worse than the person commiting these crimes. This here, is the truth, even though some may not find it acceptable. </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If youve never lived in a black skin its almost impossible to grasp. Not pretty but understandable from their perspective...Kind of like "You fuck me over every day and you expect me to come help you ...hahahahaha".</div></div>

Black people must really hate black people. </div></div>

Based purely on the cruel math of the unequivocal statistics bearing this out; the inarguable and thoroughly documented brutality to which you so artfully refer; the 'Zen' of your statement is made more whole.

Your Chi is powerful. </div></div>

You are wise, grasshopper.
 
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Ok I'm gonna say my piece, and if I get banned for it...then so be it. I usually try to stay out of threads on here considering how I was treated last time. So I'm ot really expecting the welcoming party with fuzzy presents, hugs, and kisses.
Normally I come on here to get my dose of moral fiber, logic, and humility but it seems every once in awhile these things seem to jump ship. Not tryin to preach or boast of being <span style="font-style: italic"> better</span> than anybody else. God knows I ain't no Saint, and prolly never will be. Just an other man sharing his views devrived from personal experience like everybody else.

1)Hood folk not leanding a hand: Judging from what I'm reading (I could be wrong), but many of people in here don't even live in one, or spent much time in it besides passing through. Are things diffrent than suburbia? Of course, otherwise it wouldn't be <span style="font-style: italic"> the hood</span>. Now those throwing the stone saying they should've helped. Stop. Think for a second and take yourself out of the equation.
Why wouldn't they help? Lack of morals? My take on it is this. The Crips, Bloods, MS13, ect. whoever "owns" the place don't like the cops. These people run drugs, steal, rape, murder, and do a myriad of other bad things. If they see you, a resident in their "hood", well consider yourself greenlighted. If they can't get to you they might come after your friends, family, neighbors...generally those you care about.
Life being what it is you can't always be the guardian angel watching over your children, or those close to you. Remember these people live in the "hood" and so do the bad guys. So while many get to go to their humble abode. They unfortunatly are stuck there. Think about it.
Is that an excuse for apathy? No, but it sure does seem a rather rational explanation as to why they wont help. Sure mayeb they hate cops, or don't give a shit. It really isn't for me to say. Just trying to put an other take on the situation.

2)Grants, scholerships, racial bais: For all those people bitchin about "Oh if I was black, latino, or Native American I would get better schooling at no cost." Shut up and Cowboy the fuck up. If you think those "aids" are so helpful in progress then why haven't these people risen up? Why haven't they bettered themselves?
To me these aren't aids. They're cruches and they weaken the resolve of many who fall into that ploy. Being a American latino I was taught not to accept handouts from others. That if you want something you get off your fucking ass and work for it. If that means busting your ass moping floors then so be it. Much better being a petty criminal stealing for a living. My pops tried very hard to instill that in me, and wish I had learned it sooner, but thats neither here nor there. I'm glade I finally did before it got worse...again I ain't no Saint.
My point being. Keep your chin up and be proud that you actually worked for what you have. Collage kids on here acting like getting a free handout is something to be envious of. In all honesty piss off if you still think that. Cause when you really think about it. Which would you rather be? The chump who gets nowhere despite all the handouts? Or the guys who worked for what he wanted, and made something of himself? Would you rather have a delapadated house with mold in your ceiling? Or the house with a nice white picket fence in the nice neigborhood? If you ask me now I'll gladly take the latter. Just sayin. Again...just my two cents.

Have I done things I'm not proud of? Yes. Will I continue to do those things? No, not a chance in hell. Am I misguided? Depends who you ask. But seeing that morality tends to change from time to time, place to place, person to person, and circumstance to circumstance its kinda hard to say. All I can say is hopefully I'm a better man tomorrow than I am today.
Don't like me? Thats fine I don't like you either. Have a nice day ya'll.
 
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There's no diffusion of responsibility or anything else, it's pure fear of retaliation.

What that means to me is that there are not enough police officers there. Increase officers by 10 fold.

People see people getting hauled off by the cops there and they become "Victims" whether they did a crime or not and people start hating the police - thus it's a lose lose situation for the police.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If youve never lived in a black skin its almost impossible to grasp. Not pretty but understandable from their perspective...Kind of like "You fuck me over every day and you expect me to come help you ...hahahahaha".</div></div>

Black people must really hate black people. </div></div>

No, they just dont trust police.

And it is not just race, but an economic condition they find themselves in at least partially because of their color. Again, Im not necessarilly condoneing anything, but talk to a black person...ask them some real questions and you might get a swake up call. I grew up with a bunch of black buddies, and the first home I owned I was the only white face in the neighborhood. They were fine people andd welcomed me as family...but I learned a lot about the insiduous nature of their problem. Its one thing to talk about it from a white perspective, another to experience it from a black skin.

Dont paint me as a liberal fucktard, In this case I know what Im talking about. </div></div>


That is not a white or black perspective, it's a criminal perspective. They don't trust the police because the are passively criminal...maybe not robbing gas stations but they are not opposed to "getting theirs" if the opportunity presents itself. When I worked as a local LEO, we had officers that didn't see why we should arrest black men who were breaking the law since they were otherwise nice people and gave some of the proceeds from selling drugs to their baby mommas. Yay for hiring standards.

Culture of crime...even among those who are passive about it.
 
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Damn Yuppie,
I really like your quote "Be the change you wish to see in others."

Although I accept the reality that many people will not help this person, I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if didn't help him. Hell, I couldn't stand myself if I walked past an injured dog, but that is just me.

I certainly believe in the need for us to defend ourselves, but there is something radically different for me when considering the wounded and suffering of the innocent, or those who didn't deserve it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyclad Shinobi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you think those "aids" are so helpful in progress then why haven't these people risen up? Why haven't they bettered themselves?
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That's the question of the century now isn't it? Many have taken advantage of what was offered to them, worked hard and made something of themselves. Too many find that it's hard work to earn your way and find it much easier to come up with excuses and accept what someone is willing to give them. The former have all the respect in the world from me, the latter not so much.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DonniePD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SWAT should have shot that mofo in the FACE!!! </div></div>

spoken like a true banger...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyclad Shinobi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1)Hood folk not leanding a hand: Judging from what I'm reading (I could be wrong), but many of people in here don't even live in one, or spent much time in it besides passing through. Are things diffrent than suburbia? Of course, otherwise it wouldn't be <span style="font-style: italic"> the hood</span>. Now those throwing the stone saying they should've helped. Stop. Think for a second and take yourself out of the equation.
Why wouldn't they help? Lack of morals? My take on it is this. The Crips, Bloods, MS13, ect. whoever "owns" the place don't like the cops. These people run drugs, steal, rape, murder, and do a myriad of other bad things. If they see you, a resident in their "hood", well consider yourself greenlighted. If they can't get to you they might come after your friends, family, neighbors...generally those you care about.
Life being what it is you can't always be the guardian angel watching over your children, or those close to you. Remember these people live in the "hood" and so do the bad guys. So while many get to go to their humble abode. They unfortunatly are stuck there. Think about it. </div></div>


That is no excuse on thier part. I wont let it go "Because they're in a bad neighborhood" or whatever. Sure, its easy for me to sit here in my office chair and point fingers, but the truth is the truth no matter who says it. What kind of person could see another human being bleeding and hurt and not stop to help? To be honest, I'm surprised no one stopped to rob him. If you see wrong, if you see evil and dont stand up to stop it, you're as bad if not worse than the one who's responsible. I understand what you're saying, and it might be the reality of daily life in "the hood" but I dont believe for a second that gangs, drugs, and thugs setteled in those neighborhoods for no reason. They took up root there because weak people allowed them to.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke, (January 12, 1729 – July 9, 1797)
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DamnYuppie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would not say it is a statement of our current culture, morality, or what not. It is, instead, a well known phenomenon called Diffusion of Responsibility .

Basically people will not do anything as they believe someone else will do or has done something. This happens every day and has happened throughout human history. So I don't see it as anything but people being people.

As the saying goes "be the change you wish to see in others". </div></div>

I really dont think thats the problem. Its more like "Im sick of being stopped for "Driving while black" and all the rest of the offences weve all seen, like the thread about the LEOs who shot the black people after Katrina. They have no trust,and no love for police. If youve never lived in a black skin its almost impossible to grasp. Not pretty but understandable from their perspective...Kind of like "You fuck me over every day and you expect me to come help you ...hahahahaha". </div></div>

I totally disagree with that. This was a black cop and a black criminal. The race card has no bearing on what happened here.</div></div>

The discussion was of black people distrusting the police. If the race card has no bearing here, then why did you immediately pull the race card by saying "oh, but the cop was black"? Black cops profile blacks just as much as white cops do, and I would wager to say they do it even more in many areas.
 
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I don't understand racism, I've served with every color of person and skin color makes no friggin difference.

People are people and until the human race can figure that out they don't stand a chance.

We all bleed red.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Black cops profile blacks just as much as white cops do...</div></div>

I wonder why? <rhetorical question>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keyser Söze</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Black cops profile blacks just as much as white cops do, and I would wager to say they do it even more in many areas.</div></div>

Because, what the liberal medial would like you to believe is "racial profiling" is in reality just "criminal profiling". That is why the result is the same no matter what the race of the police officer is.
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If this doesn't tell you that you are alone out there if something happens. Then nothing will. Those of us who have a CPL need to pay attention. Everything going on in the news these days is about mob mentality.

Mob rules. Riots in the streets are threatoned anytime something happens and it is on tape and only 3 seconds are shown. Things like what led up to the attack are never mentioned.

All you hear is he was turning his life around. Really? Car Jacking is turning your life around? Poiting a gun at a Cop is turning your life around?

I couldn't stand by and watch this go down. Alot of people would help. But, alot wouldn't. That is the sad part.
 
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Thank God not everyone is like the people in the original video. There are a lot of standup citizens out there that won't hesitate to help.

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"How can people act like this? Why didn't they help"

The Austin PD right now is on the flip side of this. They're circling the wagons telling folks "we didn't do anything wrong, the dog should have been on a leash"

https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForCisco

You wonder why makes people develop the attitude? The circumstances surround what happened with Cisco and his owner Mike P. are a perfect example of such.



Neither is right, in fact, both are really F'ing wrong. The state of the society exists. Change it, don't exacerbate it.
 
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This was in TEXAS?

say it aint so.

must have been in a subdued part of town.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand racism, I've served with every color of person and skin color makes no friggin difference.

People are people and until the human race can figure that out they don't stand a chance.

We all bleed red.</div></div>

No answer to this, we are surrounded by sheeple
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank God not everyone is like the people in the original video. There are a lot of standup citizens out there that won't hesitate to help.

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That's a ballsy chick! I think that situation looks a lot more dangerous than the cop shot and laying in the parking lot.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank God not everyone is like the people in the original video. There are a lot of standup citizens out there that won't hesitate to help.

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That's a ballsy chick! I think that situation looks a lot more dangerous than the cop shot and laying in the parking lot. </div></div>

Good to see someone stepping in and assisting a LEO.
 
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http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/artic...rveillance-Tape ]Video[/url] [/quote] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Vaq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I saw this earlier and it pissed me off. A suspect began to fight with an officer and pulled a gun and shot the officer. The suspect temporarily got away. Look at the people in the background going about their business and not helping the officer. You can tell that part of town hates police otherwise someone would have helped. Thank God he is ok.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/artic...rveillance-Tape ]Video[/url] </div></div>

I would evict the rat bastards that let him lay on the ground when they were just across the parking lot.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was going to post a long and drawn out response.

Cory summed it up perfectly.

If you truly have the desire and dedication, it no longer matters what your skin color is.
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Im not catagorically argueing with this. I agree, for the most part. Wjat Im driving at is that in general the black man is more at a disadvantage than an equal man with a white skin. IT IS CHANGING but it aint kosher yet.

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If anything it is the complete opposite. You can't even fire them or not hire them with out the "race card" being pulled. It is also easier for them to get college tuition and funding. As faras their state of mind, In Highschool all i hung out with was these thug types. I wised up when one of them decided to steal my X-Box and then after that he thought I was coming for him. Then I end up getting a drive by at my house. All over an X-Box!.. Yeah, real classy. Now I have a family and a completely different view on life and the men and women in the armed forces. If I ever saw any man of service or even a civilian get shot like that I would help immediately. People won't even stop to help people stranded on the side of the road anymore because they all assume that person has a cell phone.. Society these days is truley sad IMHO. Someone needs help we should be the first to help. Am I saying chasedown or gun down the perp? No, but the least you could do is get on his radio and call for help or call 911 and stay with him and give him some encouragment and not just leave him alone. Being left alone in that situation is probably the worst thing as you are left to your thoughts of panic...
 
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