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People Welching on deals

Cobracutter

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If a member offers you a price for an item on the exchnage, and you agree to it... is there forum rules to dictate they must buy it?

Had a member verbaly agree to buy something and then later on I get the "My wife called me about unexpected medical expenses" line I have heard from about 5 different people over the years.
 
Welching on deals on an internet forum is right up there with getting in the tank I was repairing in BF3.

While its not the end of the world, I still fucking hate you.

But yes, if they offer in writing and you agree, its a deal.
 
If a member offers you a price for an item on the exchnage, and you agree to it... is there forum rules to dictate they must buy it?

Had a member verbaly agree to buy something and then later on I get the "My wife called me about unexpected medical expenses" line I have heard from about 5 different people over the years.

I can't say with certainty although I do believe it is the age we live in now. Through the years, as cities grow bigger and the ciber world expands, there seems to be less repercussion on individuals for their failure to be forthright. My recent experience with a fellow shooter at my club confirmed the lack of honest business morals in this day and age. A deal was struck with a handshake to exchange scopes and cash. By the way, it was his deal that I agreed to. The day we were to make the exchange he informed me he had changed his mind. No BS about the wife and dog, just decided not to make the deal. No apology, just a different generation.
To me an agreement by both parties in writing on this site is the same as a handshake and should be honored. MY $.025....RJN :mad:
 
People back out of stuff all the time. I hate it, but it happens.

Unfortunately it normally wouldn't be financially smart to spend the money to pursue legal actions to "force-sell" the item. I normally sell to the first person to give me money because of all the flakey people and it has only been a problem of "its mine, I said it first" once for me. I follow my own rule where the first with money gets it. not the first to claim it. Its kinda different in the gun world though because most people pay with bank checks so its a matter of "SPF". I gladly take paypal as well and do not care what their policies are. If that is ignorant then I will counter that with my intolerance of unreasonable policies.
 
I've been screwed by this before. Some people are ridiculous! They go as far as to let me drive 3 hours then stop responding to calls and txts and then say "oh, my phone died" or "I had an emergency."

I have felt like shit and still made it 2 hors to honor a deal I shook on. Seems like the way kids are raised is declining. And it's sad because I'm only 23.
 
Just put negative feedback on their profile and cite the deal in the box. This way others will just skip them.

I have not had anyone back out per se, the most common is "I will take it" then no comms for three or so days. That stuff irks me bigtime.
 
I have had every excuse in the book from medical emergency, lost items, car repair, even had a guy completely agree for a firearm trade then call me the day we were supposed to meet and say "on further inspection the weapon looks unsafe" only to relist it on arfcom the next day. It's one of those things that you can't really do anything about but those are in my book just the worst kind of people. Especially when I have people wanting 2nds/3rds on an item and I make them wait 1, 2 weeks for this douche-copter to decline the deal.

What can ya do in a society that tolerates shitty people, though?
 
I've had that 'something came up' bullshit happen so many times over the years. Last time was not even a week ago.

Guy IM's me about something I'm selling, we figure it out, send him pictures, says everything looks great, how much, do you take paypal, whats your PP address? Thanks!

2 days pass and nothing. Email the guy asking if everything is GTG....oh...I'm having some problems at home. Sorry.

Sometimes they actually SAVE you from having to deal with them.
 
I agree and understand all these comments. so far here I've just been on the buying end, but on other sites the worse that's happened is complete lack of communication. Some are upset about me buying, but the sellers are more than happy.

Barber
 
IMO, if somebody says "I'll take it", they should take it...but if they change their mind before money exchanges hand, BFD.

I've reneged on agreements to purchase, and had others reneg on me. It sucks (I hated doing it), but life happens and as long as nobody gets financially screwed I don't see any real harm.

I'd rather somebody apologize for backing out while using an excuse (be it unforseen bills, wife gonna kick my ass, etc.) than simply stop communicating leaving the sale of the item to anybody in limbo.
 
I don't know why they just can't say "let me think on it a few minutes-hours to make sure I really want it", instead of... I'll take it and then backing out. Some of them are such assholes they don't even respond back saying they don't want the item and just leave you hanging.
 
IMO, if somebody says "I'll take it", they should take it...but if they change their mind before money exchanges hand, BFD.

I've reneged on agreements to purchase, and had others reneg on me. It sucks (I hated doing it), but life happens and as long as nobody gets financially screwed I don't see any real harm.
Absolutely. It sucks, but it happens. Anything from a real emergency to a wife firmly putting her foot down to changing mind without having the guts to admit it. I bought things, and ran a Group Buy on the 'Hide, so I know. ;)

I'd rather somebody apologize for backing out while using an excuse (be it unforeseen bills, wife gonna kick my ass, etc.) than simply stop communicating leaving the sale of the item to anybody in limbo.
Yes, a nice person would at least apologize. But if not - it's not the end of the world. "Adjust, adopt and overcome." ;)
 
If a member offers you a price for an item on the exchnage, and you agree to it... is there forum rules to dictate they must buy it?

Had a member verbaly agree to buy something and then later on I get the "My wife called me about unexpected medical expenses" line I have heard from about 5 different people over the years.
It may be true(the sudden medical expense), I've seen a number of rifles for sale, those that shot 1/4MOA all day long, with any type of ammo, and it only has 40 rounds down the tube!- must sell because wife needs gall bladder surgery etc. It seems sellers and buyers are being hit with all kinds of unexpected medical expenses! Strange world indeed.
 
IMO, if somebody says "I'll take it", they should take it...but if they change their mind before money exchanges hand, BFD.

I've reneged on agreements to purchase, and had others reneg on me. It sucks (I hated doing it), but life happens and as long as nobody gets financially screwed I don't see any real harm.

I'd rather somebody apologize for backing out while using an excuse (be it unforseen bills, wife gonna kick my ass, etc.) than simply stop communicating leaving the sale of the item to anybody in limbo.

I agree. Things do come up. I don't like having my time wasted either, but I'd rather have a guy take care of x bill or his family and not find himself in deep shit than to buy something I have for sale that I can sell to someone else. Shit happens, deal with it. Let the guy know it isn't cool though, maybe he'll learn from it.

Ripping someone off is a different story altogether. So far, I've had nothing but good experiences on the Hide and try and reciprocate. I go out of my way to make the deal a good one on here from my end, and I must say most all the folks I've dealt with on here have done exactly the same. Some folks have sent me free stuff, not even requesting the shipping charges (but I always send that at LEAST). There are a lot of good members on here that are honest traders, let's keep it that way.

But I'm sure I've had to back out on a deal or two in my lifetime. It's usually health related for me though, and I try not to promise on anything until I can follow through and spoke with the wife, and I attempt to make recourse to salvage the deal if I do fall through, but if it sounds like an excuse to whoever and they still get butthurt over it, well, fuck 'em. Must be nice to be able to bitch about the little things in life I guess.

I find the more well off in cash or health are the most opinionated of others less well off in either, and complain about the little things more often. It really borders childishness, but I guess it's the way of the world.

I look at the feedback to weed out folks that misrepresent shit, steal money and don't send the item, and just ripoffs in general. I'm not looking to find that someone got negative feedback because they changed their mind.

If I tell you I'll buy x from you and we haven't exchanged money or gear and I back out because of an unexpected doctor visit or a family emergency, or if I simply find a better deal you refuse to match (I'm not paying double for less, I don't care about our prior deal) and you leave bad feedback for me, I'll leave it for you too. Two can play that game. While some may not want to deal with me because I backed out one time for good reason, others won't want to deal with someone who trashed another person's good name over such petty shit. Remember, you can see the feedback going both ways. Finally, it's better to just not make a big fucking deal about it. Nobody got ripped off. It's a nuisance, it isn't the end of the world, and it isn't worth trashing someone's good name over.

If your finances hinge on an internet sale of an item in a trade forum, you need to find more stable income. If not and you're still bitching, you need to go volunteer at a VA or children's hospital where you'll be tempered by folks that have plenty to bitch about but don't.
 
I've sold a bunch. Only had one asshole though - some pole smoker and proponent of 'hurricane martial arts'. Guess he's in a hurry to blow folks.

Other than that, the worst I've had are people who 'offer' at 40% of the asking price and then get butt hurt over you refusing.

When people change their minds or something comes up I've found most just fess up and I'm ok with that. Personally, I just buy it if I said I would and then sell it again.
 
If a member offers you a price for an item on the exchnage, and you agree to it... is there forum rules to dictate they must buy it?

Had a member verbaly agree to buy something and then later on I get the "My wife called me about unexpected medical expenses" line I have heard from about 5 different people over the years.

There are no rules stating you have to buy anything if you make an offer. As a matter of fact the forum rules on buying/selling explicitly state that neither the mods or the site owners are responsible for any transactions that take place. You buy/sell at your own risk. I believe that if someone is screwed over in such a way as not getting what they paid for then you can bring it to the attention of the mods and that person will be banned. There is nothing "binding" anyone into following through after they say "I'll take it".
 
If someone says "I'm interested and if I can get the funds I'll take it, but don't hold it for me." then there is no problem.

If someone says "I'll take it" then their pride and honor should make them follow through.
 
If someone says "I'm interested and if I can get the funds I'll take it, but don't hold it for me." then there is no problem.

If someone says "I'll take it" then their pride and honor should make them follow through.
How about "please hold it for me for X days, I'm scrambling for the funds"?
 
How about "please hold it for me for X days, I'm scrambling for the funds"?

In my opinion, no.

I wouldn't ask someone to do that for me. There are a couple people here that have things for sale that I would love to buy. I'm not willing to ask them to hold something for me just in case something comes up on my end and I can't follow through and they miss selling it to someone else.

Now if I've dealt with someone before and they say that then there's a good chance I'd hold something for them. But by and large I would tell them no if I didn't personally know them already.

Just my opinion.
 
A lot of you are putting to much thought into this. If you post "I'll take it", pay for it in a timely manner and expect it shipped in a timely manner. Forget about the rest of the Bullshit!
 
There are no rules stating you have to buy anything if you make an offer. As a matter of fact the forum rules on buying/selling explicitly state that neither the mods or the site owners are responsible for any transactions that take place. You buy/sell at your own risk. I believe that if someone is screwed over in such a way as not getting what they paid for then you can bring it to the attention of the mods and that person will be banned. There is nothing "binding" anyone into following through after they say "I'll take it".

Except honor, integrity, self esteem, basic honesty and their worth as a member of society, but then again we all have our own opinions of what is "binding" and what isn't.
 
There's a difference between what is legally binding and what is right. In all aspects of life, there are a lot of folks that are within the law, but act unethically and slimy. If you say you'll take it, you should take it. End of story.
 
There are no rules stating you have to buy anything if you make an offer. As a matter of fact the forum rules on buying/selling explicitly state that neither the mods or the site owners are responsible for any transactions that take place. You buy/sell at your own risk. I believe that if someone is screwed over in such a way as not getting what they paid for then you can bring it to the attention of the mods and that person will be banned. There is nothing "binding" anyone into following through after they say "I'll take it".

Well the reason I asked is some forums do it. In fact, I was banned on AR15.com like 6 years ago for the very infraction.
Said I would buy something, forgot about it and then went on AT for 3 weeks. Came back and found out my account was banned.
Was so pissed off I didnt even bother trying to get it unlocked.

I don't like the policy personaly, just wanted clarification for this site.

I do find it comical how many people have unexpected medical costs or whatever. About 10 days I told a guy on another site I would buy his ACOG if he could hold it for a week or so. He took it down and once I knew the furlough was going to happen for real, emailed him letting him know what was going on. Told him that due to furlough, I would rather keep some more cash on hand for bills that are going to be due in next two weeks, If I don't get paid. He was totaly cool with it. If everything goes well this pay period, Ill send him the cash. Note I did not talk about how my imaginary wife was just diagnosed with brain cancer and can't buy my gun anymore (But can buy a similar one the next day)........
 
Except honor, integrity, self esteem, basic honesty and their worth as a member of society, but then again we all have our own opinions of what is "binding" and what isn't.

I'm not saying its right, just what it is.
 
I have gotten the "my tuck broke down" a couple times but for the most part 99% of all the transaction I have done on the hide has went great.
 
Knock on wood, my transactions here on the Hide have gone extremely well. The same cannot be said for other forums, or eBay - in my experiences, the welsh rate ranges from 10-25%.
 
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Words soon to be forgotten by society......

People do get sick/injured and that shit is expensive. People lie too........

You're the one trying to sell shit to people you don't know over the enternet.
I will say Sniper'sHide has the least amount of internet shit-baggery of any sites that I've done deals on.
 
Maybe one day I will no longer have real problems in life and will be able to bitch about piddely things such as this.