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Suppressors How does my monocore look? .22LR

BenY 2013

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I just started with SolidWorks and know very little about using it so far. I am also in the process of designing a Form 1 integral suppressed barrel. If I can get the pictures uploaded I would like you guys to critique my design. Tell me what I could do to improve the design or if I should scrap it and start all over?

OD is 0.866" (Because that is the inside diameter of the tubing I have.)
Largest holes are 0.75"
Smaller holes inside ^ are 0.1875"
1/2 sized holes on outside are 0.5" if I remember correctly.

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Thanks,
Ben
 
Its not going to be super quiet, compared to modern factory monocore's. Just a helpful hint as well. A monocore with all chambers being identical can cause bullet instability, even if the blast chamber is different dimensions. Look at the sparrow and prodigy. Even just chevrons with the points facing the muzzle of the weapon will be quieter than rounds.

What machining capabilities do you have. That may help us come up with a more effective design for you.
 
These are popular in the UK, called SAK moderators. I've got one, works well, very robust.
 

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Yes but those chambers are offset. Yours are in a straight line. Unless you differentiate the chambers some how you may get a baffle strike.
Make the blast chamber larger.
 
Yes but those chambers are offset. Yours are in a straight line. Unless you differentiate the chambers some how you may get a baffle strike.
Make the blast chamber larger.


Beat me to it ^ roughly double your blast chamber. And your last baffle/ end cap looks waayyyyyy to thick.
 
Yes but those chambers are offset. Yours are in a straight line. Unless you differentiate the chambers some how you may get a baffle strike.
Make the blast chamber larger.

I'm not the OP, I was chucking that in to reinforce the off set point.
 
Ok, I thought you were talking to me. Not a problem even if you were.

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Alright so:
Offset the chambers
Enlarge the blast chamber(What about that last chamber? Too big?)
And make the end cap shorter

Anything else? I will try and get a model drawn up soon and go from there.

Also my machining experiences: I work in a small machine shop which has both manual and CNC operated lathes and mills. I have worked with all of them, but am by no means an expert yet.

Ben
 
If you have the skills and machines see pic

these are liberty cores some of the best in the business , for your reference and some ideas.
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No I am not stuck using a core, I am just torn between that or K baffles. I am planning on using this in an integrally suppressed barrel. My only concern with any type of core (baffle or mono) is it becoming stuck in the outer tubing due to lead build up. I have thought of using a clam shell type design something like the silencerco sparrow uses.

Ben
 
BenY,

I am going to take it that you would like to put all this effort into your project and never have to return to it.

1. What is the OD of your barrel and what is the final length?
2. What action?
3. Integral right? A gas tapper...or do you mean a "dedicated" suppressor?
4. If it is an integral, where is the pathway for the tapped gas?
5. If it is an integral, you are not planning to shoot subsonics, right?
6. What material were you considering?
7. What machinery do you have access to?


Data please.
 
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BenY,

I am going to take it that you would like to put all this effort into your project and never have to return to it.

1. What is the OD of your barrel and what is the final length?
2. What action?
3. Integral right? A gas tapper...or do you mean a "dedicated" suppressor?
4. If it is an integral, where is the pathway for the tapped gas?
5. If it is an integral, you are not planning to shoot subsonics, right?
6. What material were you considering?
7. What machinery do you have access to?


Data please.

The OD of the barrel I am working with is 0.866" The shroud around the entire barrel and suppressor OD will be 1". Still debating between 16.5" and 18".

CZ 455 Action

Yes an integral where the "suppressor" part will stay in this barrel and this barrel only.

Not sure if I follow completely, but I have been told I need to port the barrel, if that is what you're asking.

Actually I would much prefer to shoot subsonics as I am looking for the best accuracy I can get and most target rounds are subsonic. My whole reasoning to go the integral route is to keep the overall suppressed length as short as possible with out SBR stamp, so do I really even need ports in the barrel if I only plan to shoot subsonic?

Aluminum shroud around everything and mostly likely stainless steel baffles or core.

I have access to manual lathe and mill as well as CNC lathe and mill with 4th axis. I can run them all.


I appreciate your help. I am still very new in the suppressor realm.

Ben
 
I built a integral suppressor for a 10/22 barrel overall length is 18" using a 12" barrel and I think its 8 , 7/8" K baffles. It is Hollywood quite with subsonic all you hear is the action. It maybe as loud as a springer pellet rifle with CCI Stinger ammo.
 
I built a integral suppressor for a 10/22 barrel overall length is 18" using a 12" barrel and I think its 8 , 7/8" K baffles. It is Hollywood quite with subsonic all you hear is the action. It maybe as loud as a springer pellet rifle with CCI Stinger ammo.

I am guessing you ported the barrel? If so how? Also what kind of performance do you find shooting subs through it? I like to shoot my .22 long distance and don't want to lose range due to low velocities. Or am I thinking too hard here?

Ben
 
No ports in the barrel , just turned it down and threaded on the outer tube then a light TIG pass to fuse it together so the OAL is 18" fixed. The steps to make the bore of the suppressor tube true to the bore line is a lengthy but not hard.
I run a .280" hole through my baffels so they can have a little "slack" bout .010" in the tube to allow Kroil to seep in to pull them out.
I get very little velocity drop as most super sonic ammo still has a sonic crack to it.
 
Thanks Ben, appreciate the response. Since you are about to give this project your best and legally build a rifle that should serve you well for the rest of your life, I am going to be direct here. Before another opinion on your actually suppressor comes your way, mine, we need to revisit some of your thoughts.

An integral is built to be subsonic, period. It takes a specific, selected High Velocity round, in your case a .22 LR and is specifically tuned to bring THAT round to just under supersonic. Why, because all things being equal, ALL subsonic rounds are less accurate than supersonic rounds, , ALL subsonic rounds have less range than their supersonic variant, ALL subsonic rounds deliver less terminal force than the same components traveling at supersonic velocities. They, subsonics, are also almost always, more expensive, produced with powders that are filthy, and, just the opposite of what you stated, they are less accurate. They also, if store bought, are built to be subsonic in everything and therefor, in a rifle, truly perform poorly.

So, with that simple statement often read here at the Hide, no integral suppressor ever needs to shot subsonics, by definition. In fact, for many when we watch a smiling owner/builder shove a subsonic round in their integral and then are impressed at how "additionally" quiet their rifle now is, well we know.....we are watching an idiot. If their integral worked at all, the round was ALREADY subsonic...if it IS quieter when they use a subsonic, well it is because their can performs better with even LESS gas coming down the barrel. In short, their rifle is not ready for prime time. In fact, the vast majority of true integral makers make it perfectly clear that taping gas on a subsonic is a great way to destabilize the already puny subsonic velocity round to the point where the probability of a baffle strike, terrible particulate purging, increased leading, impudent terminal force along with zero chance for real accuracy is assured. You get the very best possible out of a .22lr round that is subsonic by starting with a high velocity round and, with a Chrony, get it as fast as possible without going supersonic. To do this you have to tap gas and that means a single hole in the barrel, properly placed. One hole, not the swiss cheese mess many employ. More on this later.

Sound in a firearm comes from five sources, there are no other, and if you attend to them one by one, you are done.

1. Blast
2. Supersonic Signature
3. Action noise
4. Terminal impact noise
5. Operator noise.

You are going to address the first three:

1. You want great blast suppression. That is all about your suppressor design.

2. You want to get the velocity below subsonic and when you do, you are DONE. There is no reason to build an integral that taps gas to subsonic and then ever need to send a subsonic down the barrel. In fact there is a whole host of reasons to never do it. Below super sonic is it....period....no more signature. From that point LOWER, all you get is less in everything, range, force, accuracy. And MORE particulate entrapment, leading, action issues (semi), etc. etc. etc.

3. You have selected a bolt action and, by definition, you have attended to action noise.

You cannot effect terminal impact noise in your build. You cannot effect operator noise in your build. Both can be potentially mitigated by your developing skills and techniques.

So, your design.

The quietest .22 LR true integrals recognize that standard profile and even most bull barrel profiles are simply not enough diameter to deliver excellent suppression results. This is especially true when making a short barrel integral rifle. I have never heard a standard barrel diameter integral or dedicated that sounds anything other than poorly. I never hear a standard bull barrel that achieve the level of suppression that is possible in an integral design as well. Almost without exception, the very best suppression in the .22 lr have barrel diameters are 1" OD minimum and require routing on the forearm to support the required diameter. Want the quietest integral you can build, with the shortest possible OAL? Plan on as large an ID as you can get.

If you are truly going to build an integral, you ARE going to tap gas to TUNE your selected round to be the best that it can be in the subsonic world. And, you will have to then know where and how.

If you just want to build a nice seamless profile barrel and DONT want to tap gas....and DO want to buy subsonics...that is a "dedicated" can. Nothing wrong with it, but it only has imo ONE application. That being, you want the OAL length of the barrel PLUS suppressor to be 16"+ . You get that, and you give up moving that can from one rig to another as a result. And......you are stuck buying subs that were made to be subsonic in pistols...as in...they flat out suck.

I applaud you effort to build can, excellent.

Here we go....no monocore that I have ever seen/heard does as good a job as properly fully formed conic faced baffles. Certainly not without being significantly longer and heavier when made of the same materials. This is especially true in a small caliber, small propellant gas system. First made in the 70's, monocores have been around a long long long time, there is nothing new about them. They do not represent a step forward in anything other than a system that, by design, does not require individual parts to be assembled...and in large rifle calibers...welded. For decades, high volume, high cycle rate systems used stacked, un-welded assemblies of cones and spacers all set in their outside envelope. They allowed the machinist to concentrate on the front face of the baffle, where suppression efficiency is found. When made out of the proper materials, the whole armature could be broken down and dip cleaned in caustic chemicals that would literally dissolve the majority of monocores found today. Why? Because most monocores use so much materials that they must be made out of lighter materials. Aside from that there is a whole host of reasons why monocores lead to particulate entrapment, hot spots, leading and...if it matters...an almost impossible task of repair. Monocore designs can cut waves, flats, bored offsets and redirects...they cannot cut cones. There is a whole science about the pressures to be found in the cascading chambers. Maintaining that pressure to insure maximum propellant purge is completely lost in the vast, vast majority of monocore designs. Entrapment is the rule it seems, they MUST by design come out to be cleaned.

Go cones, properly spaced chambers. All the most quietest, accurate, lightest, most serviceable suppressors use them. I, like others, want all our cans to be sealed, even our .22lr. We shoot plated .22lr and put 10s of thousands of rounds through and never have an issue. But, in a .22, you can go loose assembly and avoid the expense and skill required to weld them all in place. Avoiding THAT is why monocores exist.


It may not be the best utilization of your desire to do solid form computing....but in the end you will have #1 and #2 to the best that is possible.
Study cones and their placement. They are all over the web. Like I said, its another opinion.
 
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RT51 -

I don't disagree with much of what you've taken a bunch of time to discuss and put out there and you make some very good points but there are some comments above which appear misguided/misunderstood. The primary culprit being that a bullet moving near sonic speeds will still generate a sonic shockwave due to compressibility effects and what is termed "Critical Velocity" for the airflow around the projectile.

Sound in a firearm comes from five sources, there are no other, and if you attend to them one by one, you are done.

1. Blast
2. Supersonic Signature
3. Action noise
4. Terminal impact noise
5. Operator noise.

It is indeed possible to have a bullet going "slower subsonic" to be quieter than one that's going "faster subsonic".

This is well evidenced in the aerospace industry by looking at regional jets which operate in the common realm with subsonic ammunition, there are some very hard limits on cruise speed and VNE for some of the tail-mounted engine types because the air flowing between the engine nacelle and the fuselage goes transonic and buffets the airframe mercilessly above ~M0.7, which is only about 750fps.

Additionally, the compressible nature of the fluid also means that you don't need a supersonic shockwave to create noise, the noise can also be generated with air that never breaks the sound barrier but is functioning in the high-sonic realm. M0.9 air is still subsonic but the noise generated can be quite loud with poor aerodynamic shapes.

Bullet shape has a very large part in the acoustic signature and it doesn't need to be anywhere near supersonic to generate that signature. In a 22LR there is very little choice in bullet shape, they're all basically the same shape. In a rifle where bullets are easily changed out, then such questions can be raised and different bullet shapes can make a quite substantial difference in acoustic signature from already subsonic ammunition because the flow of air moving around the bullet is not creating sonic or near sonic shockwaves around the projectile.

There will always be compressibility effects around the bullet for the purpose of subsonic ammunition.

A friend of mine and I developed a CFD code and methodology for analyzing small arms projectiles. We worked on optimizing a subsonic projectile shape where we could keep the flow critical velocity below M1.00 with a projectile velocity approaching M0.9. Additionally we compared the analysis work to existing projectiles that we were able to easily test, we used the Hornady 180gr RN 30c projectile and the Sierra 220gr RN 30c projectile, both fired from my 1:8.5tw 308 and measured with a simple decibel meter, it was admittedly not one of the peaking meters that are appropriate for measuring the acoustic peaks at the muzzle of a suppressor.

The data was reliable for trend behavior but not absolute measurement behavior.

Those common 30c RN flat base rifle bullets created near-sonic shockwaves (aka, lots of noise) barely over M0.72-0.74 and that was easily heard just by standing 100yd downrange and listening to someone shoot 600fps subs and 900fps subs. The acoustic signature is easily recognizable even with the human ear.

Your (otherwise excellent) assessment falls short in addressing that a subsonic bullet of a given shape doesn't necessarily mean that the acoustic signature is unchanged by modulating the launch velocity to change the signature.
 
Fascinating, thanks for taking the time to bring that all out. I really appreciate it and am....well, informed!
My experience is only with bullets of common configuration.
 
Wow, that is an amazing amount of information that I will need to read a few more times to make sure I understand it all. But what I gained from it is that shooting already subsonic rounds through an integral which is ported is no good.

So here is my gameplan now. Cut the barrel to 12" and have the remaining 6" filled with K baffles. Leaving me at an overall length of 18". (Or is this thing not going to be quiet?)

Or just building a typical suppressor that will thread onto my already existing 16.5" barrel using the same K baffles.

Is the latter of these two going to be the quietest? I want to achieve as little noise as possible.

The only reason that I am shying away from porting the barrel is because I have already purchased several thousand rounds of subsonic match ammo. And if I can't shoot it with a ported barrel I don't see the point. I am also shooting the rifle at distances out to around 400yds so I need to maintain some velocity(still subsonic) for that.

I really do appreciate all of the help and info given to me here!

Ben
 
It is threads like these that make me love this site. Guys taking on ambitious projects and knowledgeable people providing technical input to help. I've learned a lot from this discussion (still reading up on how identical suppressor chambers can cause bullet instability) and appreciate it!
 
Ben,

Having 1,000s of rounds of subsonic is an important data point! Though I would refrain from posting that as a matter of routine.

In that case, I would proceed as follows:

1. Answer these two questions: "Is it a top priority that my build be a 16" suppressed barrel?" and "Is it a top priority to build a rifle that's barrel includes a suppressor in a way that appears to be nothing more than a standard bull barreled .22 rifle?"

If the answer to those questions results is one or two "YES!" than you should proceed to build a "dedicated" suppressed rifle, as you can therefor reduce the total barrel, complete with armature, down to 16"+ legal minimum.....and upon completion it will look like a standard bull barrel .22 rifle. You could do all this and not tap gas as well, making your rilfe as short and as quiet as legally possible. It would not (for all the reasons listed above and in the absence of tuning to a particular "HV" round) to my experience, maximize potential range, terminal force and accuracy. But it would still be quite good especially if you:

- Contact the manufacturer and find out precisely what the velocity of your subs are AND what barrel length it was tested at. Since you now control the final length of your barrel (and the resulting can length), you could craft your rig to maximize performance to their tested barrel length. You may very well be surprised to see that their subs where test in a four inch pistol, making a 16" barrel less than ideal.

- Take a box of your subs out and chrony the velocity yourself. Look for uniformity. If they test well and perform accurately, great! If not, well you are compromised right from the start. You then have a decision to make about keeping the rounds.

If the answer to both the questions is no, build a blast can to be able to be swapped out amongst all your .22s. Use the best of materials, certainly something that can be dipped into the most caustic solutions if it is your intention to clean your can. I never do, a filthy can (particulate, not lead) is the quietest can, resulting in maximum internal turbulence and suppression. Shoot plated rounds if possible and you can shoot tens of thousands of rounds without any need to clean your can.

When you work with your cone design, look to the center cone gate as a paramount feature. Most makers simply construct the whole armature and ream the center pathway from front to back. Whereas this does/can provide uniform and potentially precise tolerances, it does not allow for the projectile's tail gas jet to be disrupted and redirected off axis. The technique requires each cone's center pathway to be formed individually, but the results kicks the gas jet off axis into the next chamber. It was/is a huge improvement in delay and, if you intend to deploy a purge hole in the outer cone edge, it can direct gases in a way to increase purge at the secondary port as well. There is a great deal of information out there.


Work that is thus far impossible to render in a monocore..Titanium.

 
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I guess I should have stated that I had all of the subsonic rounds. To answer your question I would prefer it that way, but I want the quietest possible without ports and if that means that I will need a removable can, then so be it!

Would the removable can be quieter than the 18" integral barrel with no ports you think?

I greatly appreciate all of the info you are giving me!

Ben
 
Anytime, RT51, your information is regularly a well detailed and helpful post, this is something I felt that I could add into finally! :)

I like reading threads like this because even having built a number of my own suppressors, I still find myself learning as I read them and think on what is said each time.

The tail-jet port and the mouse-holes in a conic baffle are incredible at increasing effectiveness. I rebuilt the internals to my pellet rifle moderator on the Kalibrgun 22 that I have. It was a 3 chamber, washer-baffle type, much like the 70's and 80's era Soviet SMG suppressors. I was actually surprised that there were no springs inside it to be honest.

It was quiet before, seeing as the platform is throwing a pellet at ~900fps, now the loudest thing is the dump valve hammer actuating. I replaced the internals with 3 cone K's. Shot it a few times, was happy with the improvement but couldn't leave it alone, so I added the tail jet ramp and the expansion mouse-hole. Much like what's seen here:

http://i40.tinypic.com/30xan88.jpg


I kinda "winged" it since it was just going in a pellet rifle... I have a monocore 22 homebuild too, it works really well, but it's heavier than my dad's homebuilt K-baffle by about 25% overall.
 
ALL subsonic rounds are less accurate than supersonic rounds, , ALL subsonic rounds have less range than their supersonic variant, ALL subsonic rounds deliver less terminal force than the same components traveling at supersonic velocities.

Obviously, you don't shoot a lot of 22LR. Eley, RWS, and Lapua, the top 3 22LR manufacturers produce subsonic rounds and they are all more accurate than any other ammo you can get out there (in the match category) supersonic or no. It is true that the 22LR ammo out there that is marketed as "subsonic" is crap, but let's not confuse the issue here. It is true that high velocity will have more range and hit harder than a subsonic... but once you port the barrel to reduce the velocity that "advantage" goes out the window.

A reason to use high velocity rounds with the AWC integrals is that most of the bullets are copper plated and therefore foul less than a lead projectile. You can't take down an AWC integral, so this is pretty critical. Many 22LR cans are designed to be disassembled to allow for mechanical cleaning. Yes, porting makes things quieter because a slower projectile generally means a quieter projectile. There is a tradeoff between quiet and energy. That is a design choice.
 
Obviously, you don't shoot a lot of 22LR. Eley, RWS, and Lapua, the top 3 22LR manufacturers produce subsonic rounds and they are all more accurate than any other ammo you can get out there (in the match category) supersonic or no. It is true that the 22LR ammo out there that is marketed as "subsonic" is crap, but let's not confuse the issue here. It is true that high velocity will have more range and hit harder than a subsonic... but once you port the barrel to reduce the velocity that "advantage" goes out the window.

A reason to use high velocity rounds with the AWC integrals is that most of the bullets are copper plated and therefore foul less than a lead projectile. You can't take down an AWC integral, so this is pretty critical. Many 22LR cans are designed to be disassembled to allow for mechanical cleaning. Yes, porting makes things quieter because a slower projectile generally means a quieter projectile. There is a tradeoff between quiet and energy. That is a design choice.

I overlooked the supersonic vs. subsonic accuracy because it's true the opposite for full size rifle ammo. In 22LR your assessment is true because we generally do not shoot a centerfire rifle round down through the sound barrier and the transition is what causes the issues with repeatability.

For a 22 that's going just above sonic and will hit transition within 50-125yd then it makes a lot of sense to simply avoid the transition zone altogether.

Eley, Lapua, and RWS are also like buying tuned reloads for a gun when they specify the velocity of each lot number via test and publish it on the box, guaranteed to +/-10fps across the ammo.
 
Ben, The good news is all of this is simple now that you understand that sending subs down a gas tapping integral only reduces the velocity....again.

So, here we go.

If both cans are identical, a blast suppressor sitting IN your barrel is not louder or quieter than a blast can screwed to the END of your barrel.
Yes, some could argue that, especially in a .22, a longer barrel can have an effect, but we will set all of that aside for now.

Either way you go...subsonics from the start or reducing a high velocity round to subsonic...once it goes subsonic the signature is removed.

Think of it this way, all a blast can does is to strip off and manage all the gas that would normally follow the projectile into the open atmosphere. It delays it, absorbing the sound (heat) by redirecting it, swirling it (turbulence) and slamming it into faces until all that explosive propellant heat is slowed down as much as possible, making that subsonic BEFORE it exits. Cans will absorb the heat that is the result of the propellant explosion, heating the can and causing mirage along the way.



There is a boat load more to talk about, for example, creating an envelope that extends from the muzzle all the way back to the receiver and using that to create compression has a very positive impact in barrel harmonics. But its really overboard at this junction.

Here is Dr. Hess Van Helderman, the developer of a suppressor he called the "Turbo Encabulator" the breakthrough being novo trunions...His explanation is much easier than mine...give it a click and keep smiling.



P.S. the taping of gas allows for the maximization of velocity while still subsonic, tuned for the barrel length used. True it is subsonic and as such their is no transition. I gave up buying overpriced .22s a long long time ago :>
 
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Thank you again for the info! I think I will end up going with a muzzle can that can be removed from the rifle. I really do appreciate all of the help from the members here in the Hide. I will keep you guys up to date!

Ben
 
The design you started out with will work well if you increase the length of your monocore and do a built in suppressor. You might need to go to an 18" OAL on the barrel and use a 7-8" barrel with a 10" monocore. Since you have the ability to create more complex forms, you could create a more efficient design that could be shorter. I would encourage you to go with a thread-on can though, as it makes much better use of your tax stamp to be able to use your suppressor on multiple hosts....the more the merrier.

It was suggested earlier in the thread that you increase the size of your blast chamber. I think these suggestions must be coming from familiarity with center-fire cans, as a large blast chamber is not necessary for 22lr, and will most likely only increase your first round pop. I would recommend using the blast chamber size you have, and divide it into two smaller blast chambers to look something like this.....[][). If you are using stainless, make the divider .06"-.08" thick so the blast doesn't buckle it. Keep your blast chambers symmetrical to reduce the chances of destabilizing the bullet inside the can....and if you do use offset chambers, alternate them with mirror image chambers in the first third or so of the core before you get too wild with asymmetrical chamber shapes.

If you are going to build a thread on can, and are not trying to make it ultra compact...I would recommend bumping up your tube OD to 1.125". You will never notice the size difference, and it will give you a boost in internal volume to work with, which should help performance if you create an effective design. There are very effective 22lr cans in both monocore and "k" baffle style cans. Monocores are nice in that you end up with fewer parts, but either way, you should be able to make a quiet suppressor.


If you are working at X-caliber, you should have access to lots of design help. But I will be glad to help you any way I can.
 
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For a 22 that's going just above sonic and will hit transition within 50-125yd then it makes a lot of sense to simply avoid the transition zone altogether.

There you go. Now the caveat to that is that the 22LR bullet shape handles the transition much better than a spitzer boat tail. But when you have to measure group sizes at less than a tenth of an inch, it matters enough that 100 yard rimfire benchresters steer clear of high velocity ammo despite the wind advantages high velocity might yield. (Actually, the difference in wind bucking at supersonic is not that great because the 22LR bullet really was designed for low speeds).
 
Look at the 11-12 post down on this thread , that is an all aluminum (except blast baffle) that I run on all 22's from a Hornet on down. When shooting 22 mag ammo out of a 16.5" barrel it is not louder than shooting super sonic ammo from a 22 LR out of the same barrel. The 22 Hornet is a little louder comming out of a 22" barrel bit still ear safe. If I could do it over I would not have put the vent in the bottom of the skirt...
It doesn't have to be super complicated
Link:
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-suppressors/101702-making-your-own-suppressor.html
 
Also.....you would be better off if your blast chamber didn't funnel all the gas directly to the bore, make the front of it more chevron shaped so it conforms to the back side of the first chamber. Give the gas somewhere to go that allows it to get ahead of the bore opening so it has to travel backwards to get to the bore and escape. The more work you make the gasses do, the more heat will be transferred to the can and the more the expansion will slow down.


JJones is right.....it doesn't have to be complicated....just depends on whether you want to go with the tried and true, or come up with your own idea. If you are working at X-caliber you will have the option to do some experimentation that the average form 1 builder can't do.
 
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I certainly admit that working at X-caliber has perks! I most likely wouldn't be able to do this effectively if I didn't, I just wanted opinions from others as well as my boss. After talking with both my boss and other I have decided to make a thread on muzzle can. 1.125"ish OD with a 0.955" ID at around 6.5" long using stainless K baffles. Should have plenty of internal volume. I'll post pictures and maybe a video when it's all done. Now I just gotta get the Form 1 stuff outta the way.

Ben