If it's all that it claims to be I will be happy to pony up and buy one from him. I just want to be shown I was wrong given the first generation of cans I came across last year.
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Adam, I bet you can fly into Corpus and get a demo down at Rifles Only, probably knock it out over a weekend. Might be easier than waiting for him to swing by where you can see it.
From researching things, it looks like they have been in a constant state of progression. From meeting with Johnny, I can say that he struck me as a highly driven individual that has a natural speed of mach 2.
I literally first heard of the company about 4 days ago, so I have zero experience with anything from before the current product, but id be willing to bet what was out a year ago isn't comparable to todays product. I'd go so far as to say that the next product will be even better.
Im an 07 FFL about to put some unrelated products into development, so im pretty used to meeting company reps, engineers and the like. I generally approach them with doubt, as ive had so many b.s. me (most recently promised a $480k+ contract with people that now can't answer the phone), but actually shooting the OSS product showed every stated fact to be true, except the durability, thats rather hard to demonstrate in a half day.
Give them a chance. And as I wont be a dealer for them, I have no dog in the race other than wanting to see another small guy with a good product succeed.
I am in no rush. I will catch him if he comes this way. I have plenty of cans to hold me over for awhile.
My local gun shop will be getting mine in next month or so, will get some pictures up then and hopefully some video of demoing it (= tease) and then i will have my 7-8 month wait time.
I don't know what all the hurt feelings are about or why there is so much negativity about what seems to be an innovative and in my opinion pretty slick looking design. You guys are acting like Tom the bitch Edison when confronted with Tesla's AC current....
I agree with Heronion. There is absolutely no reason to hate on OSS because his design is different than what you (anyone) have previously experienced. I have a personal friend who I was deployed with to AFG that knows him well and vouches for him. SOCOM uses his products. He's polite and a professional. Oh and just a SOF operator (no big deal) as well.
Quit fucking hating.
Quit fucking hating.
So how do I get an OSS?
Hello, new guy here. My name is Rob and I own/operate an indoor shooting range in Tallahassee, FL.
Just wanted to say Johnny stopped by my indoor shooting range today out of the blue. I've only known about OSS for about 8 hours now, but I'm extremely impressed.
When he first told me what the system was, I had all the initial thoughts posted here. ATF legality, decibel reduction, POA/POI, etc. I had a problem forgetting everything I've learned about traditional round cans with baffles inside.
I shot the OSS with each of the different levels of modularity. I was super impressed for what it's worth.
Johnny is legit and turns out we know the same SOF Army guys. I'm a Class 3 indoor shooting range and I'm a dealer for every major suppressor manufacturer in the USA.
I'll be pushing his system from here on out to all my customers. I think it's genius. I'll be doing a review as soon as I get my first system in 30 days. I can't wait to get one and then I'll be back with pictures and videos.
Rob
Just wanted to say Johnny stopped by my indoor shooting range today out of the blue. I've only known about OSS for about 8 hours now, but I'm extremely impressed.
When he first told me what the system was, I had all the initial thoughts posted here. ATF legality, decibel reduction, POA/POI, etc. I had a problem forgetting everything I've learned about traditional round cans with baffles inside.
I shot the OSS with each of the different levels of modularity. I was super impressed for what it's worth.
Johnny is legit and turns out we know the same SOF Army guys. I'm a Class 3 indoor shooting range and I'm a dealer for every major suppressor manufacturer in the USA.
I'll be pushing his system from here on out to all my customers. I think it's genius. I'll be doing a review as soon as I get my first system in 30 days. I can't wait to get one and then I'll be back with pictures and videos.
Rob
Johnny,
This system sounds very interesting! I filled out your dealer app on the website, would love to get one in for demo.
My only concern with the unit based on what Im hearing is SBR usage. It sounds like a lot of the unit extends behind the muzzle of the barrel. What is the shortest distance from thread shoulder to gas block the unit will work on? My M16 upper is a carbine gas 10.5" barrel, would it work on there?
This system sounds very interesting! I filled out your dealer app on the website, would love to get one in for demo.
My only concern with the unit based on what Im hearing is SBR usage. It sounds like a lot of the unit extends behind the muzzle of the barrel. What is the shortest distance from thread shoulder to gas block the unit will work on? My M16 upper is a carbine gas 10.5" barrel, would it work on there?
Scratch that, I just noticed the BPR2 is designed for SBR use...
Are they producing the systems or just marketing the idea at this point? I've sent Johnny a couple emails and PMs and have not heard back.
They are producing them. Johhny is on the road at the moment from what I understand.
Still waiting to setup a private demo day if Johnny can get this way.
If these suppressors are the latest and greatest thing, then why won't OSS send demo samples to dealers like most other manufacturer do. Seems like to best way to go, in order to get product spread out and on the market. How long is it going to take OSS to fly to every dealers state for a demo?
My guess, and this is just a guess, is that they prefer to do in person demos because their product is unique and is best understood and appreciated when there is someone there to explain it and answer questions. Also look at it as product training. If you don't understand how and why it works the way it does, how can you be expected to explain it correctly to your customers? This thread and the questions and doubts people have posted should be proof enough why its important for someone to represent their product in person. It also says they care enough to send someone from the company to present their product to the dealers and customers, which says a lot for OSS's customer service and belief in their product. Of course you can call johnny and ask him yourself, he posted his phone number in this thread for anyone who has questions about the product.
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Hey all sorry, I have been on the road the past 40+ days,sorry for the lack of contact. Rancilio where have you tried to PM me? I have also not recieved emails but it could be since we switched servers approximately 3 weeks ago.
This is not a marketing thing. I post plenty of our product that we are producing on our facebook page, ossmission and instagram ossmission.
Papa Zero Three hit the nail on the head with why we do not send out demo cans. If you have any questions at all please email me at [email protected] or call be between 9am-9pm mountain standard time, if I do not answer leave a message and I will return your call. 910-303-6147.
KYS as soon as our bolt gun specific can is wrapped up I will head up there as I thought that is what you are interested in.
I am very rarely on here so as I stated, if you have questions please shoot an email or call.
All the best,
Johnny
This is not a marketing thing. I post plenty of our product that we are producing on our facebook page, ossmission and instagram ossmission.
Papa Zero Three hit the nail on the head with why we do not send out demo cans. If you have any questions at all please email me at [email protected] or call be between 9am-9pm mountain standard time, if I do not answer leave a message and I will return your call. 910-303-6147.
KYS as soon as our bolt gun specific can is wrapped up I will head up there as I thought that is what you are interested in.
I am very rarely on here so as I stated, if you have questions please shoot an email or call.
All the best,
Johnny
It would be interesting to hear them next to other cans
I have seen a couple dealers with these in-stock. If you are interested in the links, shoot me an email. I've seen first hand how great these cans are.
Blue_Panda - I couldnt agree more. I think if companies screw people over just to make a buck, hop on wagons by ripping off other's ideas, etc.. then we should hate all we can. If it turns out that sliced bread is still better, well, he tried. If, on the other hand, his design becomes industry norm in 5 years, then good on him.
But from what I've read (admittedly have not seen in person anything OSS related), this company and it's owner at least deserve respect for trying to advance things.
Sounds good to me. I would like to see what you have developed for the bolt guns.
I was able to sit down with Russ and Ross of OSS today for about 2 hours and did a little indoor demo. I came away impressed with what they have come up with. These guys are very knowledgeable and are truly thinking outside of the box. I would love to get out to a range and test POI/POA shift along with a more thorough test and some side by side comparisons with other suppressors. But from what I saw, these guys have something that you will want to look into if you are looking to suppress a semi or full auto rifle.
Based in Utah!? Hot damn! I am going to attend one of your demo's for sure! 
Q: What is available for civilian purchase?
Currently we take special orders for Military and Law Enforcement in most calibers. For commercial purchase we are offering suppression for 5.56 in an AR platform with the 7.62 soon to be available.
No 7.62 currently available? Aw...
Still excited about the .30 cal when it comes out!
~Will
Q: What is available for civilian purchase?
Currently we take special orders for Military and Law Enforcement in most calibers. For commercial purchase we are offering suppression for 5.56 in an AR platform with the 7.62 soon to be available.
No 7.62 currently available? Aw...
Still excited about the .30 cal when it comes out!
~Will
5 months later, still no ATF letter!
and the only way this has "zero poi shift" is if the suppressor weighs zero.
Interesting post about a very interesting product.
Started to read from the very beginning and maybe it's just me who surprised about the pissing contest mixed up with some opinions that appear to me would love to see this product being banned or over controlled by the ATF.
Since I just saw this thread first time today I went to search videos about their suppressors taking apart and putting back together. It is very straight forward if you have a good understanding of physics. Also the physics they use is not that complicated.
I have seen couple of decades ago in Europe a flash-hider that required only an exterior housing to become a suppressor.
Registration this and that....in my opinion suppressors should be mandatory at shooting ranges and hunting. Noise pollution and hearing damage could be avoided. A person who qualified to have a suppressor should be able to have as many he want without being charged/taxed and investigated over and over again.
Started to read from the very beginning and maybe it's just me who surprised about the pissing contest mixed up with some opinions that appear to me would love to see this product being banned or over controlled by the ATF.
Since I just saw this thread first time today I went to search videos about their suppressors taking apart and putting back together. It is very straight forward if you have a good understanding of physics. Also the physics they use is not that complicated.
I have seen couple of decades ago in Europe a flash-hider that required only an exterior housing to become a suppressor.
Registration this and that....in my opinion suppressors should be mandatory at shooting ranges and hunting. Noise pollution and hearing damage could be avoided. A person who qualified to have a suppressor should be able to have as many he want without being charged/taxed and investigated over and over again.
I'd be interested in the links. All the dealers in TX have zero interest whatsoever in selling them. OSS needs to really work on vetting their dealers a bit better. I've been trying for a month and a half to order one of these including 5 calls and emails to OSS offices with no response at all.
I just called the phone number Johnny posted in this thread and he answered the phone, so I don't know why you are having issues contacting OSS. Johhny should be posting here shortly, so hopefully he can get you set up and answer any questions you have.
Okay so not being rude however, we have 3 dealers in Texas. When did you email me? Have you tried calling me? If you want to shoot it first hand we will be at SHOT show on the HK guns at both demos as well as in the HK booth? My apologies, if this comes of as rude but it was not meant to. We are extremely busy. So once again [email protected] or 910-303-6147 9am-9pm MST.
All the best,
Johnny
All the best,
Johnny
I used the contact form on your website and called the number on your site. There is always a girl that answers who takes messages and promises someone will call back which never happens. I didn't have your contact details or see this thread with them until recently. Silencershop had the most promise as they at least tried to get one for me but were having troubles getting in contact with you guys. Per their last email they decided to not even carry OSS. The rest of the dealers were useless. I'll send you an email and if you can get someone in TX to process my order than great I'd appreciate it.
That's no good, Silencershop does a bunch of business, and not just in Texas.
interesting sounding can. Definitely got my attention.
But sorry... I'd need to see proof of zero POI shift with my own eyes.
I've seen a lot of cans by a lot of manufacturers on a lot of different guns. And exactly NONE have had zero POI shift.
Weight on the end of a barrel simply must cause a POI shift. There's a reason they are called the laws of physics, and not the strong suggestions of physics.
But sorry... I'd need to see proof of zero POI shift with my own eyes.
I've seen a lot of cans by a lot of manufacturers on a lot of different guns. And exactly NONE have had zero POI shift.
Weight on the end of a barrel simply must cause a POI shift. There's a reason they are called the laws of physics, and not the strong suggestions of physics.
From the OSS website.....
Specifications Glossary
Sorry, Johnny .... your own website says yer full of crap.
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Have you actually shot one for yourself yet? I think if you had, you'd be less verbose. Also, here is the ENTIRE statement off of the website and not just the portion you chose to post. Also keep in mind this is from their definition/glossary and the SPEC sheet on the product gives a worst case, as described in this definition. That listed worse case is :less than .5 MOA/ .14mil
"Point of impact shift from 32 F to 600 F ( 0 C to 315 C) – This is the worst possible shift you will ever see on our suppressors. To advertise zero POI is a ridiculous lie in the world of suppression. You may as well claim zero POI shift on a cold bore shot as a rifle manufacturer. At 20 rounds per minute and a constant suppressor temperature, our devices have zero shift. In a real world combat situation, those conditions are never guaranteed so why use them as a standard. OSS always defaults to the worst case scenario."
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THat is NOT what POI shift is. If yer gonna change industry standard definitions, conversation / fact finding is gonna be impossible.
POI shift is the diff btwn can mounted, and no can mounted.
I have first hand personal knowledge of dozens of suppressors shot on more guns than that. NONE have zero POI shift.
Numerous other manufactuers all say zero POI shift is impossible.
Johnny said his cans have zero POI shift. That's what he said. The OSS website CORRECTLY states his claim is bogus. Or at least worded VERY badly.
The problem exists btwn you and him and the OSS website. Talk to him / them. But DO NOT go changing industry definitions.
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I can't speak for OSS but I can speak about their cans doing what they claim. scroll up thread and see Lowlights post if you want 3rd party confirmation from a credible source. If you have issue with something Johhny said pick up the phone or find him at SHOT and handle it with him directly and not on an Internet forum. Johnny is a straight shooter and a nice guy and like most mfgrs in this industry ,he will spend time talking with you about OSS's product and others. But like other mfgrs, he is busy and doesnt have time to deal with pot shots from the peanut gallery on the internet. So pick up a phone or find him in person and express your definition/grammar concerns.
I haven't shot their cans.
But I can garan-daggum - tee you they do NOT have zero POI shift. As he claims they have no POI shift.
Words / definitions matter.
Everything I want to say is already taken care of in this thread - where he made his incorrect claim.
But I can garan-daggum - tee you they do NOT have zero POI shift. As he claims they have no POI shift.
Words / definitions matter.
Everything I want to say is already taken care of in this thread - where he made his incorrect claim.
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How do you figure? The entire definition as listed on their website addresses the issue in the first two sentences and explains what they mean in the remaining sentences. Words and definitions matter, so does reading comprehension. Given OSS's stated definition , Johnny's statement here reflects what they put out on their website. Your issue is with their definition/explanation.
They do NOT get to RE-define what "zero POI shift" means. Its an industry standard term that means the POI with can on vs. POI with can off.
He claimed "ZERO POI shift" which is a fraudulent as a "zero drag bullet."
Stop being dense and dragging out this discussion. I'd rather it end UNLESS people like you keep it going.
I'd MUCH prefer you re-read what I've already posted which is VERY clear to all but those who don't want to understand.
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You are assuming that I don't know what POI shift is, you are mistaken. I am fully aware of it and do not, disagree with you or the definition of it. You are up in arms over the way they have explained it. I get and understand what they mean, not just grammatically but by the actual performance of their product. The SPEC sheet even defines it as .5mil or less in a worst case yet it was not something I or others have witnessed. Maybe it's really something like .1-2mil which to me is negligible in the grand scheme of things on an AR.
I get that you are hung up on this issue, you haven't shot it and on top of that, it's overall design defies what most know about suppressors. It's normal to be skeptical, I know I was. All I can say is shoot one and then decide for yourself.
I get that you are hung up on this issue, you haven't shot it and on top of that, it's overall design defies what most know about suppressors. It's normal to be skeptical, I know I was. All I can say is shoot one and then decide for yourself.
His "Zero POI shift" claim is full of crap.
And I'm done here.
Its just that simple.
And I'm done here.
Its just that simple.
FYI, this just dropped.
Heckler & Koch introducing MR556/762A1-SD with OSS Suppressor and new handguard | Military Times GearScout
40 years after the introduction of the HKMP5 SD, Heckler & Koch will release the new MR556A1-SD and MR762A1-SD. The new SD design incorporates technology from American suppressor manufacturer Operators Suppressor Systems into the combat proven HK416/HK417 platforms. The over-the-barrel, reflex design of the OSS suppressor minimizes the overall length of the rifle while maximizing sound suppression and operational configurability.
The updated platform also includes HK’s new Modular Rail System (MRS) in 14″ or 9″ which looks like a KeyMod compatible handguard with integrated QD sling swivel flush cups
The OSS suppressor system also improves the HK platform by adding caliber and configuration modularity, individual suppressor component sustainability, greater than 90% reduction in blowback and bolt velocity compared to competing suppressor systems. The OSS system comprises a back pressure regulator (BPR) and a sound reduction module (SRM). The rifle is shot ‘unsuppressed’ with the BPR installed. This reduces flash and noise noticeably, but the addition of the SRM will reduce the muzzle noise to 139db at the shooters ear.
It’s interesting that these mods are being applied to the civilian version of these rifles. Perhaps these cans find their way onto 14.5″ guns to become the HK416/HK417A6-SD at some point. There’s no doubt these rifles will be expensive. But, we won’t have a price until HK officially releases the rifles at SHOT Show next week in Las Vegas.
Product sheet for 5.56: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1003208-proof-sd-suppressor-system-product-sheet-jan-2.html
Product sheet for 7.62: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1003207-proof-sd-suppressor-system-product-sheet-jan-2.html
Heckler & Koch introducing MR556/762A1-SD with OSS Suppressor and new handguard | Military Times GearScout
40 years after the introduction of the HKMP5 SD, Heckler & Koch will release the new MR556A1-SD and MR762A1-SD. The new SD design incorporates technology from American suppressor manufacturer Operators Suppressor Systems into the combat proven HK416/HK417 platforms. The over-the-barrel, reflex design of the OSS suppressor minimizes the overall length of the rifle while maximizing sound suppression and operational configurability.
The updated platform also includes HK’s new Modular Rail System (MRS) in 14″ or 9″ which looks like a KeyMod compatible handguard with integrated QD sling swivel flush cups
The OSS suppressor system also improves the HK platform by adding caliber and configuration modularity, individual suppressor component sustainability, greater than 90% reduction in blowback and bolt velocity compared to competing suppressor systems. The OSS system comprises a back pressure regulator (BPR) and a sound reduction module (SRM). The rifle is shot ‘unsuppressed’ with the BPR installed. This reduces flash and noise noticeably, but the addition of the SRM will reduce the muzzle noise to 139db at the shooters ear.
It’s interesting that these mods are being applied to the civilian version of these rifles. Perhaps these cans find their way onto 14.5″ guns to become the HK416/HK417A6-SD at some point. There’s no doubt these rifles will be expensive. But, we won’t have a price until HK officially releases the rifles at SHOT Show next week in Las Vegas.
Product sheet for 5.56: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1003208-proof-sd-suppressor-system-product-sheet-jan-2.html
Product sheet for 7.62: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1003207-proof-sd-suppressor-system-product-sheet-jan-2.html
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Does it come in multi-cam?
I tried calling Johnny a couple of times,
I talked to AI and wanted to redo the covert using the OSS Suppressor, as I believe it will fit under the AI Handguards as well just like the HK.
I spoke to Tom @ AI and he was super receptive, hopefully Johnny will be around at SHOT and stop by and talk to them. Lots of renewed interest in updating the Covert (and not the AE version) and I think the OSS is the best can for the job.
I talked to AI and wanted to redo the covert using the OSS Suppressor, as I believe it will fit under the AI Handguards as well just like the HK.
I spoke to Tom @ AI and he was super receptive, hopefully Johnny will be around at SHOT and stop by and talk to them. Lots of renewed interest in updating the Covert (and not the AE version) and I think the OSS is the best can for the job.
tagging this for further info and possibly.....a group buy
And I'm a French Model,,,,, i'm sure there is a handful of rifles/suppressors out there that have NO POA shift, i wis mine was one of them. POA shift has a wide range of meaning to "Snipers" compared to "Operators".
ATF Classification
so looks like SRM, BPR, and CTU are individually NFA items, though you can buy them as a pair on one stamp. but the 'one stamp SRM, no stamp everything else' looks like it didn't pan out.
not really suprising. if it really did get approved by the ATF then EVERYONE would do it.
so looks like SRM, BPR, and CTU are individually NFA items, though you can buy them as a pair on one stamp. but the 'one stamp SRM, no stamp everything else' looks like it didn't pan out.
not really suprising. if it really did get approved by the ATF then EVERYONE would do it.
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