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Next steps post memo release

ArmyJerry

ArmyJerry

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#1
Do we dismantle the FBI?

Do we jail all who were involved?

Do we remake the FBI?

Do we get rid of FISA?

Do we get rid of the NSA?

What do we do with the Justice Department?

What do we do with our secret judicial system that issued secret warrants for this attempt at undoing an election and installing a criminla?

How many judges were being compromised by the FBI, NSA the Dem Party and deep state? How many rulings have we seen my the SCOTUS that absolutely do not pass even rudimentary reading of the constitution? Is Roberts compromised?

How many fellow travellers were installed in the last 28 years at all levels of the fed government? Can you ever trust our government again?

What do we do with the media who were on FBI payroll?

Do we kill foreign agents from the UK who tried to undermine our republic? (Fusion GPS)
 
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Our Republic is like a car on ice that has skidded to the left...we correct right. If we correct too far the car still crashes. THIS is a BAD situation for our republic to be in and we haven't managed any sort of proper correction yet.

ArmyJerry said:
just putting these things out there VeerG, we just survived a deep and long attack on our republic by domestic agents using foreign agents. Something to ponder as the info starts to cascade over the next days.
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Yeah Sirh, but we cant leave the same structure in place, that's the point of my post above.

What do things look like , we know this current set up is an existential threat to the Republic, how do we peacefully reshape the government so it wont take a violent uprising in the future?

This is the last and only chance we will have to do this peacefully.

Jailing a few individuals is not enough.

Shutting it all down is the only way to guarantee the threat is dormant. But can we do that security wise? Probably not, but its preferred and less of a risk than keeping current threat in place.

What does it look like when the beans are finally spilled?
 
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308pirate said:
You DO realize the seriousness of what has been exposed. Right?
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Oh, hell yes. But they're opening the store up just for us, Holly Golightly, and there's no sense just making impulse purchases at Tiffany's when one can shop entirely at their leisure. We're going to fill some little blue boxes, for sure.

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Not for long - there is a reason the founding fathers a) knew this shit was coming and b) knew when it arrived it was a big fucking flashing "GAME OVER" for the Republic.

It doesn't matter where we go from here. Fix it for a few years...make it worse...whatever. The machine for domination exists - it will be used to its full and most horrifying potential. It is Human Nature.

308pirate said:
Fear can be injected into the surveillance state
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I hear ya VeerGand that's good too, but all the questions apply no matter what party is in power, these people tried undermining the will of the American people just as a foreign power would. The state is than active existential threat, the reaction of the state is telling, they wont go into the night quietly. What do we do with them?

King I tend to agree with you and am leaning toward dismantling.
 
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I just don't think people understand how bad it is. A database exists of virtually every single thing there is to know about a person.

It knows where you live, who your kids are, how much money you make. It knows every medical condition you have. It knows if you are gay, or Christian, or both, and exactly what type of Christian.

It knows who you voted for SO closely that its prediction matched the actual voting results to 99.9% It knows that every person on this site is a gun owner. And that many of us don't like the idea of abortion. It knows what race/ethnicity/national origin you are. And it knows who every friend you have is and how close a friend they are. Even how much, precisely, your opinions influence your friends and family.

Why does it know that? Money. Business. These are how a business doubles their sales in the modern world, and why google is so immensely huge even though they sell nothing to us.

The algorithmic systems can effectively tell you who would participate in any revolution. And who might agree enough to not participate, but provide assistance.

In essence, the system exists for finally knowing EXACTLY who every X person in a certain group...and based on my field of work I can also tell you that the system for killing every last one of the people in the X group you don't like is only months away from being practical.



This technology exists for the most part. This video was written by liberals, but it doesn't matter frankly.
 
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Jerry, you're one of my favorite sources of entertainment. Here's to you....
 

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I don’t own a TV...

Instead I work in a field where databases like this are used - it’s not a supposition on my part. I have physically seen the data set I’m describing. It’s not some sort of secret, either. You just generally have to spend a couple hundred million to get access to the whole shebang.

The typical commercial conglomerate database of resold information about you and your purchasing, browsing, flying, and public records information has over 2000 data points in it. And that’s the little one.

One good example? If you like a sport you will be tagged with it. Why? To sell you magazines, tickets, and sporting equipment. To make sure you see content about the teams you like...and the ones you hate too.

Kids not doing well at school? In there.

Like Dodge more than Chevy? In there.

If anything ever happens in the US where X group of people goes in some oven somewhere, the people doing the oven stuffing will have an itemized checklist down to the last person. And it will say Google or Facebook on the title page.

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The King, you watch WAAAAY too much tv. If you knew how bad databases really are.....
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The King said:
I don’t own a TV...

Instead I work in a field where databases like this are used - it’s not a supposition on my part. I have physically seen the data set I’m describing. It’s not some sort of secret, either. You just generally have to spend a couple hundred million to get access to the whole shebang.

The typical commercial conglomerate database of resold information about you and your purchasing, browsing, flying, and public records information has over 2000 data points in it. And that’s the little one.

One good example? If you like a sport you will be tagged with it. Why? To sell you magazines, tickets, and sporting equipment. To make sure you see content about the teams you like...and the ones you hate too.

Kids not doing well at school? In there.

Like Dodge more than Chevy? In there.

If anything ever happens in the US where X group of people goes in some oven somewhere, the people doing the oven stuffing will have an itemized checklist down to the last person. And it will say Google or Facebook on the title page.
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As much as it saddens me, I fear the King is correct. It boils down to human nature. Some, are just evil, their lives are based in fear, rather than he good, and they use the trusting goodness of most as gullibility to take advantage, manipulate and control for their own selfish interests. The outcome was spoken about some two thousand years ago by a fellow named John who was imprisoned on an island called Patmos. You can read t for yourself.
 
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well it seems we are mostly agreeing then, this is an intractable problem, whats the solution??? Roll over and become serfs? Dismantle the deep state?Armed revolution and destroy the deep state? what are the options and roads you suggest the country takes?
 
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The King said:
I don’t own a TV...

Instead I work in a field where databases like this are used - it’s not a supposition on my part. I have physically seen the data set I’m describing. It’s not some sort of secret, either. You just generally have to spend a couple hundred million to get access to the whole shebang.

The typical commercial conglomerate database of resold information about you and your purchasing, browsing, flying, and public records information has over 2000 data points in it. And that’s the little one.

One good example? If you like a sport you will be tagged with it. Why? To sell you magazines, tickets, and sporting equipment. To make sure you see content about the teams you like...and the ones you hate too.

Kids not doing well at school? In there.

Like Dodge more than Chevy? In there.

If anything ever happens in the US where X group of people goes in some oven somewhere, the people doing the oven stuffing will have an itemized checklist down to the last person. And it will say Google or Facebook on the title page.
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Bullets > data
 
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I cannot imagine anything is going to work is my problem. Most countries post revolution are horrible nightmares.

The sharks to saints ratio was much more favorable in the time of our nations founding. Today if you can find an honest person in Washington DC it’s because the flight they scheduled in a panic to leave the place just hasn’t gone wheels up yet.

I don’t think we can continue as one country. I firmly believe we need to become 3-5 nuclear armed countries to continue. Liberal doucheville left side, douchebaggia right side, and reasonable land in the middle.

ArmyJerry said:
well it seems we are mostly agreeing then, this is an intractable problem, whats the solution??? Roll over and become serfs? Dismantle the deep state?Armed revolution and destroy the deep state? what are the options and roads you suggest the country takes?
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ArmyJerry said:
well it seems we are mostly agreeing then, this is an intractable problem, whats the solution??? Roll over and become serfs? Dismantle the deep state?Armed revolution and destroy the deep state? what are the options and roads you suggest the country takes?
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The only solution I can find Jerry is to keep my own nose clean, do that which I know to be right despite outer appearances, Not to wax religions, but just a thought, another wise man of John's time said..."You cannot serve God and Mammon (the world system)for you will love one and hate the other." So my solution is to serve God (however one may conceive of that) and let mammon fall apart.
 
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I’ll say it till it happens.

Waiting for Lexington PT II.

Sometimes, the Tree of Freedom will need to be watered by the blood of tyrants.
 
#27
Hell, I don’t even view a split as “giving up”.

Every few years we teeter over to the left wing...then teeter over to the right.

What does that mean? That means every 8 years half of America is oppressing the other half. Trump is president, and as such Liberals ARE being oppressed. Just as true as when Obama was president for us.

We should get a divorce, take half the shit, and go live in a new house under our own rules.

Imagine an election where it was 94% for the person who actually supports the Constitution for our country, and full on Communist dictatorship for the fuckheads on the coasts. They get what they want and so do we. Not seeing a losing situation here...
 
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I also want to add this - the Founding Fathers had a precise reason for the Union. See if anyone knows it.

And then see if someone can also figure out how Nuclear Weapons invalidate their reason utterly and bring the competing logic of the time behind multiple nation states into a much more favorable balance.

The King said:
Hell, I don’t even view a split as “giving up”.

Every few years we teeter over to the left wing...then teeter over to the right.

What does that mean? That means every 8 years half of America is oppressing the other half. Trump is president, and as such Liberals ARE being oppressed. Just as true as when Obama was president for us.

We should get a divorce, take half the shit, and go live in a new house under our own rules.

Imagine an election where it was 94% for the person who actually supports the Constitution for our country, and full on Communist dictatorship for the fuckheads on the coasts. They get what they want and so do we. Not seeing a losing situation here...
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I aint giving up my land, the people that occupy it and dont want to be part of my country will have to leave or face the consequences.


The King said:
Hell, I don’t even view a split as “giving up”.

Every few years we teeter over to the left wing...then teeter over to the right.

What does that mean? That means every 8 years half of America is oppressing the other half. Trump is president, and as such Liberals ARE being oppressed. Just as true as when Obama was president for us.

We should get a divorce, take half the shit, and go live in a new house under our own rules.

Imagine an election where it was 94% for the person who actually supports the Constitution for our country, and full on Communist dictatorship for the fuckheads on the coasts. They get what they want and so do we. Not seeing a losing situation here...
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ArmyJerry said:
hmmmm, two immediate giver uppers, I am not there yet, and never will eb as long as I breath, shutting shit down until the deep state reacts violently them put them down.
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i dont know if youre speaking of me as a 'givinig upper'. I dont see it that way. Ive never quit on anything important in my life. I see it as a higher path one that puts the non temporal above the temporal. "Dont fear those who only kill the body, fear those who kill the soul."
 
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Skunk said:
I wish you had an idea of how many are sitting, reading, and laughing at you all.

Be careful, I can hear you laughing, and I know what size shoes Kings wear, and what kind of tin foil Jerry buys. FISA take all around!
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Lol, the irony there is not lost on me.

I built and operate a pretty substantial telephony network and now specialize in analyzing voice traffic as well as SMS and e-mail. It's pretty fucking good at what it does. It's nothing compared to what it'll be able to do a year from now.

Today was the first day my machines understood spoken language better than I did.

I assure you, it's turtles all the fucking way down from here on out.
 
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If I'm picking up what The King and QuickNDirty are laying down..

The BLS calculates the CPI by gathering data, voluntarily provided, from 7,000 families on their purchase of 80,000 goods that are broken up into 200 categories. This is happens on a monthly cycle. Sounds like a lot of work.

Amazon collects data on about 4 billion people, involuntarily, on a basket of goods that numbers around 10,400,000. They know about things you purchased that you may not want to reveal. They know about things you were looking over but did not purchase. They know a lot of other shit too. This happens in real time, calculating every nano-second, or so. The point of all of this is to understand behavior and a gazillion psychometrics to, ultimately, influence purchasing behavior.

Then Amazon partners with the NOAA on a bog data project, and now weather data and it's impact on behaviour is rolled into the algorithms.

Then Amazon partners with the CDC, , and now health related and it's impact is rolled into the algorithms.

Then Amazon partners with sites like WebMD. and now they know what health issues you simply think you might have.

And the list goes on, and on, and on... And Amazon has the largest big data project in the world of big data, so I hear.

While the above may or may not be scary, it seems like it was all done in the spirit of free enterprise. And I have zero problem with that, conceptually.

Amazon has had to purchase a lot of hardware to handle all of this. And I mean a lot of hardware. Anyone wanna guess where many of the worlds other big data projects choose to place their data? -> Amazon. And Amazon is really, really good at hosting it and sorting out any problems you may have (which is unlikely) while on their machinery because they are watching over all of it like hungry hawks. They hire really skilled, hard working people, and pay them a lot. Amazon's hosting earns them something like 4x the revenues that online sales do, and with better margins.

Funny thing is they are not even close to being the largest purchaser of such hardware. The NSA is. The NSA buys so much of this shit that it has caused a market shortage of such machinery for years.

I can't say exactly what the NSA is doing with all those toys. But it does seem that every time companies get caught lying about giving up their data goods to the NSA, Amazon is on that list. And I'm pretty sure Jeff Bezos is no fan of Edward Snowden.

I'm sure I missed many of the finer points, but it does give me something to think about. I wonder if it's a stretch to guess that every person on here is on more than a few lists.
 
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I'll just point out that the KGB and the Stasi has as much or more info, it did not save those governments.

I work with analytics all day every day for the past two decades, having info is a very small part of the game, executing on the info is the 95%. Don't be scared gents , things are coming together.
 
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I think the thing most are missing is, our system is what it is, tearing it down serves no purpose but to create anarchy. As has always been said, the system is only as good as the people running it. WE are responsible for what has happened, because WE (the vast majority of the population, not necessarily here) have failed to pay attention to who and what we elect into office, and who they appoint and approve into positions of power.

Tear down the system? Uh-uh. Flush that fucker out and put in a fresh set of people, a bit more plausible. Will it become corrupted again at some point in the future? Yep. It's human nature; power corrupts. Hence the flushing that needs to periodically occur.

JMTCW...

Oh and as to what is known about us, get over it. Don't be on the horizon, blend in with the noise...
 
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The problem is everyone is giving up their rights to Google, Amazon, Facebook and others. Voluntarily. When will the people wake up? Everything you hold dear in the Constitution you just give away to the big data boys. Wake the eff up. There should be laws forbidding this (there actually are) but you sign those rights away when you join and use the privacy invaders. This is just plain wrong.
 
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MarinePMI said:
Tear down the system? Uh-uh. Flush that fucker out and put in a fresh set of people, a bit more plausible. Will it become corrupted again at some point in the future? Yep. It's human nature; power corrupts. Hence the flushing that needs to periodically occur.
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Thats what I ssaid above. The only way to change it is at the root; change human nature. I dont think that is something in the scope of 'human' ability. It may take a serious shaking of the whole ball of wax. Read'em and weep.

Search Results
Book of Revelation - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation
 
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Jethro3898 said:
If they want to make the MSM lose their minds even more, they should release it to everyone except NBC, MSNBC and CNN.
You would hear the heads pop from here.
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Yep, there would be a lot of hemrroids damaged of by sphinters snapping shut.
 
#46
You boys are about to be severely dissapointed yet again.

But it does provide a fun distraction for Fox News viewers that Trump has refused to enforce new sanctions passed by Congress yet again. It's almost like he feels he owes them something.
 
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BangBangBlatBlat said:
You boys are about to be severely dissapointed yet again.

But it does provide a fun distraction for Fox News viewers that Trump has refused to enforce new sanctions passed by Congress yet again. It's almost like he feels he owes them something.
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The memo.....the memo is not the thing. The memo has effectively been released months ago - not that America has read it. The "memo" is a faint.


If you want to know what the memo says go to page 60 and start reading: https://www.scribd.com/document/349...r-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies


One of the prime questions at this point - was this a sanctioned / legal program that just got out of control? Or was this a completely illegal program?

Related to PDD 62?
 
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BangBangBlatBlat said:
You boys are about to be severely dissapointed yet again.

But it does provide a fun distraction for Fox News viewers that Trump has refused to enforce new sanctions passed by Congress yet again. It's almost like he feels he owes them something.
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You will feel like a Human lawn dart, when you find Mueller has been working for Truth. The Truth is on Trumps side. So Mueller is working for Trump. Mueller found everything in this memo long before now.
 
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ArmyJerry said:
I'll just point out that the KGB and the Stasi has as much or more info, it did not save those governments.

I work with analytics all day every day for the past two decades, having info is a very small part of the game, executing on the info is the 95%. Don't be scared gents , things are coming together.
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You're right. It takes a lot of manpower to listen to all the phone calls going on. It also takes a lot of manpower to read all the transcripts. Manpower is expensive and untrustworthy.

That's why my competitors that still use humans to listen to phone calls and provide information about the calls are losing out to me, because I use machines for that shit, and it's really cheap and works pretty damned well.
 
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QuickNDirty said:
You're right. It takes a lot of manpower to listen to all the phone calls going on. It also takes a lot of manpower to read all the transcripts. Manpower is expensive and untrustworthy.

That's why my competitors that still use humans to listen to phone calls and provide information about the calls are losing out to me, because I use machines for that shit, and it's really cheap and works pretty damned well.
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You missed the point completely
 
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