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    #1
    Cant cheer for kids anymore.

    As if soccer didnt suck enough.....

    They sent it to the Moms and Dads. I know it didnt go over well with my wife

    from: Arlington Soccer Club <[email protected]>
    Date: Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:24 PM
    Subject: Seatbelt Saturday Inspiration


    ASC Families:

    BAYS will launch its first "Seatbelt Saturday" program this weekend, May 19-20. For all games, BAYS and the Arlington Soccer Club are asking that parents and coaches help create a better game environment for the players by just sitting down. Details about the initiative can be found here:

    http://www.arlingtonsoccerclub.org/seatbelt-saturday-2018/

    ASC coach and parent Chris Carlsmith illustrates the value of Seatbelt Saturday and the importance of allowing the kids to own the game themselves, in this essay inspired by the event:

    http://www.arlingtonsoccerclub.org/the-un-coachable-moment/

    ASC is committed to a great soccer experience for all players in the club, and we hope all of our coaches and parents will join in the spirit of Seatbelt Saturday this coming weekend in support of the players.

    Arlington Soccer Club
     
    #5
    Ahhh yes......the “let’s punish everyone because some people can’t control themselves” mentality......gotta love it.
    I didn’t read the link, but I assume it was because some parents took it too far.

    I don’t know why we have gotten to place as a society where you can’t call people out on their shitty behavior.
    I was at my daughter’s 4K end of the year presentation last week. I’ll set the scene: it is at a private Presbyterian school in the main sanctuary. Me, my wife, and my mother in law are on about the 5th row. The couple in front of us appear to be a little bit younger than me an my wife, obviously have a child in the program also. They also have in the pew with them their (I’d guess) 2 year old daughter. The Kid is obviously not “into” the program....waving a cell phone around, being noisy, and standing in the pew, so that me and my wife cannot see our daughter. I let it go because I am working on my patience and I can see my daughter. However, I know her little duet singing thing is coming up. I see her song is coming up and I lean up to the mom and dad’s ears and tell them that I’d appreciate it if they assisted their daughter for the next song while my daughter was singing.....you know.....gotta video that stuff on your phone and all.

    Apparently the couple thought I asked them to sacrifice their second born as a burnt offering. My wife was not enthused. At that point, I was completely out of damns to give.

    I wasn’t impolite. I was to the point.

    My wife was embarrassed. The couple obviously got their little yuppie feelings hurt. I think old boy actually wanted to say something, but he chose wisely.....decorum and all that.

    I’ve never understood the desire to not tell people when they or their kids are screwing up. I’m not saying you have to be a total jerk, but you have a “right” (for lack of a better term) to cheer at your kids soccer game just as I have the “right” to watch my daughter sing her little duet for 45 seconds without Pippy Longstockings performing aerial acrobatics in my line of sight.

    I’d show up to cheer at the next soccer game (normal cheering, not some “look at me” cheering) just to prove a point.
     
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    Typical case of a few bad apples spoiling the whole barrel. It amazes me how fucking stupid parents act at their kid's pee-wee sports by getting into fist fights with other parents and screaming shit at the coaches. The event is about the kids. NOT the parents! What makes it even worse is lots of these parents who were losers as kids are living their lives vicariously through their kid's pee-wee sporting events. Sickening isn't it? :mad:
     
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    #13
    Nik H said:
    Agreed but that was then and Arlington hasn’t been that way since I was born

    I don’t let this stuff bother me anymore as my blood pressure would kill me.

    I smile a lot now
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    Actually had someone from town thank me for the stickers on my truck - US flag and Dont Tread on Me - so two US Flags.

    There are normal people here, they just dont think they can speak.

    Shame if they did it wouldnt be the way it is.
     
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    Ah, they’re trying something dumb ... it’s pretty harmless. They aren’t saying people can’t cheer, they’re urging folk to be positive and not negative.

    It’s a stupid attempt, but not as bad as it’s being made out.
     
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    Limedust said:
    Ah, they’re trying something dumb ... it’s pretty harmless. They aren’t saying people can’t cheer, they’re urging folk to be positive and not negative.

    It’s a stupid attempt, but not as bad as it’s being made out.
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    Its just another step.

    Sure address issues with the parents that need to be addressed.

    Im tired of the "all knowing" asking that everyone function at the level of the lowest common denominator.

    I understand the external input can perhaps limit the creativity of a kid that may understand more about the game than the coach but they do this same shit in education now.

    Parent - "Excuse me, my kid got all these problems wrong."

    Teacher - "Yes but he was really creative and tried so hard. We want to step back and let him/her figure it out"

    Parent - "Than what the fuck do we need you for?"
     
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    Veer_G said:
    And wrestling won't?
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    Wrestling aint even in the same universe as soccer as far as the amount of grit and determination and hard work required. And I would bet money there was never a single point in your entire life where even a sophomore on the JV squad from the 145 lb class on up wouldnt a drug you up and down a parking lot like a ragdoll.. just sayin ;)

    Just a tiny hint, by and large who is it that absolutely dominates elite level MMA today? The sports definitely getting more well rounded with a lot of high level strikers, and theres some nasty BJJ guys up there too obviously, but its almost pointless to argue against wrestlers making for the best fighters.
     
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    Forgetful Coyote said:
    Wrestling aint even in the same universe as soccer as far as the amount of grit and determination and hard work required. And I would bet money there was never a single point in your entire life where even a sophomore on the JV squad from the 145 lb class on up wouldnt a drug you up and down a parking lot like a ragdoll.. just sayin ;)

    Just a tiny hint, by and large who is it that absolutely dominates elite level MMA today? The sports definitely getting more well rounded with a lot of high level strikers, and theres some nasty BJJ guys up there too obviously, but its almost pointless to argue against wrestlers making for the best fighters.
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    Sonny, you missed the wry point of my observation entirely.
     
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    MtnCreek said:
    My son signed up for wrestling team. Went once and quit. I think he thought it was going to be WWF type wrestling. LOL
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    If you possibly can at all, I highly recommend you really really try to encourage him to stay with it. Like most sports, you're gonna be complete garbage as a beginner. It definitely requires big time hard work and dedication but its worth it. Its the best decision I made at that age - staying on the wrestling team. Thought about quitting all the time, you can't imagine the practices. I'd without doubt challenge any SEAL/Ranger/etc to participate in one of our practices and see if they could make it to the end without puking, especially during conditioning week(aka torture week). Wrestlings the one widely accepted/popular sport that actually teaches/requires useful skills. Don't get me wrong I enjoy watching football and had fun when I used to play baseball... but what value/use does football/baseball/basketball/etc's necessary skills actually have? Ie what of the skills required in baseball carry over into something usable in everyday life? I can't really think of any... Idk I guess maybe cutting trees down by hand(swingin a axe) but thats about it.

    Maybe I'm biased toward my sport and consequently have blinders on to the value of being able to hit or throw or catch a ball and run with it.

    But wrestling has actual tangible value. It honestly(for the most part) teaches you how to fight, very very good. Obviously no strikes are being thrown but just watch the early UFC days, pretty much every fight ends up on the ground. And the person with training/experience in grappling will completely dominate the untrained person. It aint even close. Unless theres a super big weight difference, a decent-good wrestler will fuck up anyone's(BJJ guys excluded) day including boxers. It doesn't translate well over a tv screen or whatever, but beyond the technique aspect, the level of aggression and straight up violence that wrestling instills and teaches is totally unmatched. I was ready to rip a dude's face off and suffocate em to death with it during matches.


    Basically, none of the other kids will fuck with anyone on the wrestling team, for good reason. Every now and then you'd have some kids(untrained) who would try his luck for whatever reason against freshmen or sophomores, and even then, those "beginners"(the freshman or sophomore) would literally make the untrained kid feel like a toy. The disparity in a fistfight between even a beginner and someone with no grappling or wrestling experience is just sad to watch. Its like seeing a paraplegic try to fight somebody or something, they're totally helpless against the takedowns and top control.

    Theres most definitely a self confidence aspect to it as well that can really help some freshmen who are kinda overwhelmed in the new high school environment, be able to carry themselves alot better.

    @Veer_G - you're right sir, apologies.. gotta defend my sport and all.
     
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    Forgetful Coyote said:
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    I was disappointed, mostly with how he went about it. I found out on the Saturday morning when I was about to take him to the school for practice. I let it be his choice, but I did make him go that morning so that he could walk into the practice and tell the coach face-to-face. That no-show BS does not go over well with me. He works and works hard, otherwise I'd probably make him join some sport.
     
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    MtnCreek said:
    I was disappointed, mostly with how he went about it. I found out on the Saturday morning when I was about to take him to the school for practice. I let it be his choice, but I did make him go that morning so that he could walk into the practice and tell the coach face-to-face. That no-show BS does not go over well with me. He works and works hard, otherwise I'd probably make him join some sport.
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    It aint for everyone, you could really make the point that wrestling almost requires a bit of a masochist sociopath to be successful, and I wouldnt argue. Everyday is painful. You constantly get the snot beat outta ya in the beginning, so its super humbling while also building confidence as time goes on. IMO you gotta lose at shit sometimes to grow up. Look at super wealthy kids, a lot of em don't develop very well socially cause they never are forced to suffer a loss. Unfortunately this shits spreading wider with the "everyone gets a trophy" deal. Nice thing about wrestling is you're all by your lonesome on the mat, aside from the opponent. And losses hit a lot harder in combat sports cause deep down you know that that person pretty much just killed you. If it was life and death, you would've died.

    The big thing I didn't realize, and then learned, was the amount of fight I had inside me(didnt know how to access it in a split second atleast), until I started wrestling. Cause at the big matches - region/state/etc - you're gone be facing a murderer's row from the very first match onward. And you won't win if you don't dig out that "life-or-death" level of effort. Its hard to put into words, and most folks literally don't know how to try as hard as Im talking bout. Its a level of effort that has to be learned almost, like when you're down 2 points after your opponent just scored a takedown on you and is now on top with 30 seconds left, or I suppose like when you're fightin for your life against a maniac that just plunged a knife in your guts and is trying to do it a second time..

    I reckon it aint that it necessarily has to be learned, but one most certainly has to learn how to unleash that total 110% and then some, from a dead stop. Its something that other non-combat sports dont force you to learn. Thats a big reason a wrestler basically always makes a untrained dude look foolish; they're just completely overwhelmed by the amount of aggression we bring from the very start. Combined with solid experience in the basics, its just too much for their mind to deal with.
     
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    #29
    Forgetful Coyote said:
    @Veer_G - you're right sir, apologies.. gotta defend my sport and all.
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    We had wrestlers on the soccer team with us. One reason they chose soccer as a fall sport was the relatively less traumatic level of injuries, Not that you can't get hurt, just that Cycolac and Lexan aren't big collision factors. Another reason is the level of conditioning. What gets derided as Euro Fag Ball is in fact an incredible workout from the diaphragm on down, not to mention incredible cardio. Two-a-days were divided by a four mile run at the end of the morning session and a lunch break, for weeks on end until the season began, and then afternoons started with one solid mile. Matches are constant-motion events in and of themselves.
     
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    Veer_G said:
    We had wrestlers on the soccer team with us. One reason they chose soccer as a fall sport was the relatively less traumatic level of injuries, Not that you can't get hurt, just that Cycolac and Lexan aren't big collision factors. Another reason is the level of conditioning. What gets derided as Euro Fag Ball is in fact an incredible workout from the diaphragm on down, not to mention incredible cardio. Two-a-days were divided by a four mile run at the end of the morning session and a lunch break, for weeks on end until the season began, and then afternoons started with one solid mile. Matches are constant-motion events in and of themselves.
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    No doubt I'd bet the conditioning is grueling for said sport. But its a different conditioning, and some folks are simply more predisposed to that style conditioning vs wrestling, vice versa. Soccer means a LONG lower intensity conditioning. Wrestling(HUGE generalization following) is moreso a 4.5 minutes of dead out sprint as fast as possible like your life depends on you moving those legs faster than "as fast as possible". And believe me, its a LONG ass 4.5 minutes when you gotta guy trying so hard to slam you and pin you and vice versa as if the consequences for losing is death.
     
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    I am not to be taken seriously (most of the time). I played soccer in the Navy, and never stopped being amazed by how the out of shape, foreign, officer corps would kick our asses. They’re come chuffing down the field at half our speed and power making perfect passes and jogging right past our incredibly in-shape fullbacks, and put the ball in the far top corner of the net. There’s no question it’s a high skill game. It will never catch on here though. The theatrics trying to draw a foul turn Americans off something terrible. Nobody wants to root for a player who pretends he’s dying, and can’t shake off a good slide tackle.
     
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    Fig said:
    I am not to be taken seriously (most of the time). I played soccer in the Navy, and never stopped being amazed by how the out of shape, foreign, officer corps would kick our asses. They’re come chuffing down the field at half our speed and power making perfect passes and jogging right past our incredibly in-shape fullbacks, and put the ball in the far top corner of the net. There’s no question it’s a high skill game. It will never catch on here though. The theatrics trying to draw a foul turn Americans off something terrible. Nobody wants to root for a player who pretends he’s dying, and can’t shake off a good slide tackle.
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    Good example of skill/technique and muscle memory totally overcoming athleticism.
    Another good example:
     
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    Forgetful Coyote said:
    No doubt I'd bet the conditioning is grueling for said sport. But its a different conditioning, and some folks are simply more predisposed to that style conditioning vs wrestling, vice versa. Soccer means a LONG lower intensity conditioning. Wrestling(HUGE generalization following) is moreso a 4.5 minutes of dead out sprint as fast as possible like your life depends on you moving those legs faster than "as fast as possible". And believe me, its a LONG ass 4.5 minutes when you gotta guy trying so hard to slam you and pin you and vice versa as if the consequences for losing is death.
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    You presume too much. Soccer players, especially strikers, wings, and midfielders need to be able to drop into a mad sprint in a millisecond for the duration of the game, not to mention sustaining a direct, violent collision over a contested ball.

     
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    Veer_G said:
    You presume too much. Soccer players, especially strikers, wings, and midfielders need to be able to drop into a mad sprint in a millisecond for the duration of the game, not to mention sustaining a direct, violent collision over a contested ball.

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    No doubt, I shouldve put my "HUGE generalization following" in the beginning of my post. But overall my point still stands. The type of conditioning needed for soccer is universes apart from the conditioning needed for wrestling.
     
    #35
    I grew up in grade schools and high schools that required kids to compete in at least one sport per semester, or they could not participate at all. So I played baseball, football, basketball, volleyball, soccer and track in grade school and football, basketball, soccer, volleyball, martial arts and wrestling in high school and part of that on through college, mostly IM there. I pushed the same general approach on my kids. When they were old enough for the wrestling program in grade school, they had already gotten enough general fundamentals from me and were already fit and strong for their age. I knew the coach well as I'd taught him traditional rock climbing and his program was solid. Our kids were more than competitive on day one. Unfortunately, some of the parents of the kids on the team were not well-adjusted, so the team vibe sucked. My friend the coach really struggled with building the team due to problem parents - youth soccer often has this problem too. Our kids finished out the year, then did other sports until getting back into it in high school.
     
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    I grew up watching "Soccer Made in Germany" with my Danish Grandfather. I played soccer as a kid, and then in the Navy on my command team.
    It was just a joke Veer. I know how sensitive you hooligans are. Ready to throw dukes at the slightest provocation.
     
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    Yasherka is right though. Lots of Americans cant' get over the theatrics in trying to draw a foul. We're taught to take a brutal hit and get up like nothing happened even when we're still seeing stars and our shoulder feels like it's dislocated. That culture is hard to shake, because it looks to a lot of people like they're a bunch of nancy boys. I know they're trying to win, and that helps, but seems like cheating to a lot of people.
     
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    mijp5 said:
    Randleman was an absolute fucking animal. That dude was so strong. Only Fedor could be dropped on his head from mid air and come back to win a fight
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    Yoel Romero is the modern day improved Randleman in a sense - with much better striking and even better wrestling credentials! And just as much of an athleticism anamoly if not moreso when watching/considering the fckn somersaults + back flips that he effortlessly launches himself through the air with.. not to mention his flexibility on top of that. The closest approximation I can come up with for Yoel Romero in one phrase is hes like a human leaf spring: incredibly strong/resistant while at the same time SO flexible and still so snappy + explosive.



    Now just imagine if this guy in below vid went into MMA (Cael Sanderson). 159-0 at Iowa State!!!!! 4 time Nat'l D1 Champ!!!! Heres the vid of him defeating Yoel Romero in the olympics to go on to win the gold medal in freestyle. This is what the complete mastery of wrestling looks like folks. IMO Best wrestler America has ever seen. God dang I wish he woulda went into MMA. Such ridiculous potential to be the GOAT in MMA as well.



    Another one that just unfortunately came and went before MMA was a popular sport/big show is Karelin. Jesus almighty, what a monster that dude was.. like JMO, but he would've straight up mopped the floor with Brock Lesnar, prime vs prime. Just look at that record!!!! :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Karelin

    I mean I have no doubt he was juicing, for sure. But its a pretty even playing field when most(if not all) the rest are juicing too so it dont take away from his accomplishments IMO when all things considered.. Just look at how he manhandles m'fckrs at heavyweight. And thats greco-roman too, so no leg attacks at all; only allowed to touch/attack from the waist up which obviously makes it even more impressive. Not to mention greco-roman in particular translates EXTREMELY well to MMA!

     
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