I don’t hear much about this reticle. Would appreciate hearing some opinions from those who use it. I’m a MSR reticle fan and I see similarities and improvements in the LRR.
Rifle Scopes S&B LRR reticle
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I’m a huge MsR fan, especially the MSR2 on the kahles. I haven’t used the LRR reticle heavily. I’ve looked through and shot with it a handful of times with a friends rifle. It’s very MSResque. One thing I like about both of them is the mag settings on the reticle. No guessing where I am. I think the LRR is a more refined aim point in the center which the MSR needs to address.
Like most of these things, it’s all down to personal preference. One mans rubbish is another’s mans gold.
When you say LRR, is this in the 5-25 or in the high powers (3-27 or 5-45)?
I’ve used the 5-25 LRR and found it far too fine. Good job it’s got daylight illumination because it’s needed because the cross hair gets easily lost. However I’ve been realibily informed it’s magic on and best designed for the 5-45.
I’m really excited by the MSR2. For my preferneces it’s near on perfect. I’ve got a 5-25 MSR, I would love to change but can’t justify the cost to change or charge in fitting it with the new ret.
I’m planning on saving up for 3-20 ultra short with the MSR2. Might just be one of the best all round multipurpose scopes.
When you say LRR, is this in the 5-25 or in the high powers (3-27 or 5-45)?
I’ve used the 5-25 LRR and found it far too fine. Good job it’s got daylight illumination because it’s needed because the cross hair gets easily lost. However I’ve been realibily informed it’s magic on and best designed for the 5-45.
I’m really excited by the MSR2. For my preferneces it’s near on perfect. I’ve got a 5-25 MSR, I would love to change but can’t justify the cost to change or charge in fitting it with the new ret.
I’m planning on saving up for 3-20 ultra short with the MSR2. Might just be one of the best all round multipurpose scopes.
Scroll down last page.i just posted my observations there
I might sell one NIB with them LRR reticle.depends how im going to like the new zcomp..the sb LRR at europtic is around 4200
Ill sell it much lower than that..
I debated the LRR for a while if you look at the LRR-MIL reticle release page on EuroOptic, the reticle is way too thin.
That was my concern and the reason for the post, my aging eyes don’t help either!
Id recomend the LRR for 500 minimum not for plinking inside 300 unless you turn on illum
If I was to be totally honest here I purchased a V-22 which is due in this week and I’m looking for the right scope for it. I’ve never owned a S&B, I don’t like most of there reticles to be honest but I thought the LRR looked promising to me. I thought the small center dot would be helpful especially for precision 22’s. But if it’s unusable at short distance that won’t work at least on the Vudoo.
Another caveat is the precision rifle school I like to attend is having an unknown distance class this coming weekend and thought of throwing that on my Creedmoor and milling some targets. I could always move my Gen II razor to the v-22 and use the s&b on my Creedmoor beings I normally shoot much longer ranges with it then I would with a 22. I should just go back to considering the nightforce 7-35. That might be a better choice IDK.
I used my LRR on my 22 in a few NRL matches. I never felt that it was too fine, but just like everything, personal opinion I suppose.
The targets are relatively big IMO and you can easily see the reticle and make corrections.
Its definitely more at home at 300+ PRS usage, but worked just fine for NRL22
I used mine for nrl22 and “marksman” 22 matches.
In the marksman matches, we shoot a lot of paper stages with black dots/hostages/other things. At distances if 25-100yds.
I would lose the .025 center dot in the dark targets. The illumination solved this. I would imagine the same issue would come up on dark steel and such. Again, illumination is daylight bright. Also, being that I use reticles with .2 and the LRR is .1, it was easy for me to have some crossover issues.
I wouldn’t consider it unusable for anything, but do realize it is very thin and you may or may not need the illumination.
Or, just buy zcomp and be done with it.
In the marksman matches, we shoot a lot of paper stages with black dots/hostages/other things. At distances if 25-100yds.
I would lose the .025 center dot in the dark targets. The illumination solved this. I would imagine the same issue would come up on dark steel and such. Again, illumination is daylight bright. Also, being that I use reticles with .2 and the LRR is .1, it was easy for me to have some crossover issues.
I wouldn’t consider it unusable for anything, but do realize it is very thin and you may or may not need the illumination.
Or, just buy zcomp and be done with it.
I've been using the LRR reticle for a while and while I can see some peoples point that the center dot is too fine, I have not had that same experience. Perhaps it is because I like to do a lot of my shooting at higher magnifications regardless of distance. To this point though, I really think it comes down to personal preference since one person may find it too fine while someone like me appreciates how small it is because it does in fact allow for a finer aiming point. IMO, there is not an aiming system out there that does not require some type of compromise on the part of the shooter. It all just depends on what you find to be acceptable and what you can not tolerate.
Thanks for the reply. According to the spec’s the center dot is the same size as the open center on the Razors EBR 2C. So it is small but usable at higher magnification. Quick question do you use illumination, and if so does the reticle appear more like a cross hair or can you make out the center dot and hash marks?
Ebr2c is 0.25mil open center. LRR is 0.02mil.
Huge difference.
Also, the illumination only illuminates the center of the reticle from where the hashes start.
Help me understand, I’m attaching both the vortex and the LRR reticle layouts. The s&b says .06 inches at 100yds and the razor says .06 open center but doesn’t specify mills or inches at a 100. Vortex does say .25 open center for there moa reticle. I could be way wrong but that’s how I read it.
S&B- https://www.eurooptic.com/PDF/schmidt-bender/Schmidt-Bender-Datasheet-LRR-MIL-FFP-5-25x56-PMII.pdf
Razor mills- https://vortexoptics.com/media/wysiwyg/EBR2C-MRAD-RZRG2-45-27X56.jpg
Razor moa- https://vortexoptics.com/media/wysiwyg/EBR2C-MOA-RZRG2-45-27X56.jpg
S&B- https://www.eurooptic.com/PDF/schmidt-bender/Schmidt-Bender-Datasheet-LRR-MIL-FFP-5-25x56-PMII.pdf
Razor mills- https://vortexoptics.com/media/wysiwyg/EBR2C-MRAD-RZRG2-45-27X56.jpg
Razor moa- https://vortexoptics.com/media/wysiwyg/EBR2C-MOA-RZRG2-45-27X56.jpg
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I’m those diagrams, the open center is .06mil on ebr7 and the LRR is .02.
The .06 on the LRR you are seeing in inches at 100yds.
This is one of the reasons why thinking in liner measurements can get confusing with optics.
EBR7C = .216” @ 100yds
LRR = .072” @ 100yds
Thanks for helping me clear that up, it can get a little confusing jumping back and forth from mills to inches. If the center dot is 3 times smaller then the center of the razor I don’t think I could see the dot. Thanks again!
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