Seeing if anyone has experience with this scope, worth selling one of my atacr’s to fund it??
Rifle Scopes Revic PMR 428 thoughts?
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We've sold a few. It's a finer made, better quality controlled, higher end version of a Vortex AMG
Thanks for the input! I’ve been debating on ordering one for a little while now figured I’d see if anyone had some experience with them might just keep my atacrs cause I do love them and just build my nxt long gun with a revic it’s pretty darn cool what they did with the PMR!!
I have used it. Worked very well both for ballistic solution and picking out muledeer in deep cover.
Any other comments folks could add?
How hard is it to get the ballistics set up in it ? I’ve been thinking of getting one.
All reviews I've seen have been positive. I see that O'Neill Ops has been running them, they would probably have some good insight.
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It is actually very simple. You download the revic app, create an account, and then it operates just like a ballistic calculator. You will upload parameters like Velocity, ballistic coefficient, zero range, etc. Click 'pair' and you are set up.
If we can assist you with one it would be our pleasure
Have a happy and safe 4th
I'm a low tech redneck,so I ended up calling Revic's tech line and they walked me through the process. The instructions that you download were confusing for me to understand but once they walked me through it,it was pretty easy to do.
a couple of quick questions as I am also looking at this scope and the manual is very sparse online:
1) does the scope tell you what you have dialed on your windage as well or does it just tell you what you should dial your windage to?
2) is there a mode that just shows what you have dialed in and not the ballistic computer readout?
3) more of a statement than a question is the scope updateable with software. Would be awesome to have a weathermeter on a tripod on a cane and use its compass to blue tooth to the scope the correct angle of the wind in relation to the scopes compass (just saying that would be slick )
Ty
1) does the scope tell you what you have dialed on your windage as well or does it just tell you what you should dial your windage to?
2) is there a mode that just shows what you have dialed in and not the ballistic computer readout?
3) more of a statement than a question is the scope updateable with software. Would be awesome to have a weathermeter on a tripod on a cane and use its compass to blue tooth to the scope the correct angle of the wind in relation to the scopes compass (just saying that would be slick )
Ty
I don't have one never touched one so my comment probably isn't worth much, but I just don't get this this scope over having a LRF with ballistics built into it like a Kilo 2400 ABS, Kilo 3000, a G7 or any LRF that can be linked to a Kestrel, why put sensitive electronics in a scope subject to repeated recoil. For unknown distance shooting you still need a LRF to get the range right? So with this scope you will laze the target get a number in yards or meters and then turn the elevation turret to that distance in yards or meters. With a LRF with built in ballistics you will laze a target then turn the elevation turret on (any scope you have) to what ever MILS or MOA number the LRF gave you. The only way this scope would be faster is if you were shooting on a known distance range or you already knew the distance to every target you were going to shoot at then yeah just turn the dial to that distance. Now if the scope had a LRF built into it that would be a different story, but even then do you want to point your rifle at everything you want to laze and you would be putting all your eggs in one basket so to speak. If you already have a LRF with built in ballistics and you just want to scratch that itch go for it, but if your budget doesn't allow that then I would get a LRF with built in ballistics before a scope like the Revic.
For me, it's the HUD that attracts me. Being older, and reading glasses being needed more and more, the HUD seems like a good way to overcome constantly squinting at the turret. LRF pairing is supposed to be in the works (rumored to be compatible with the SIG BDX line of stuff), and the word I got was that yes, the firmware would be upgrade-able by the end user.
The other reason is for hunting. For a single target, this seems about perfect. Lase target (without angle correction on), turn dials to appropriate yard line (scope accounts for inclination on it's own). Windage value can be entered/pre-set, or just hold off via the BC wind call method. Sounds like some dead deer to me.
We'll know soon enough. Mine gets delivered tomorrow.
The other reason is for hunting. For a single target, this seems about perfect. Lase target (without angle correction on), turn dials to appropriate yard line (scope accounts for inclination on it's own). Windage value can be entered/pre-set, or just hold off via the BC wind call method. Sounds like some dead deer to me.
We'll know soon enough. Mine gets delivered tomorrow.
I didn’t know you were selling these Doug, I thought they were only through REVIC but glad to know you do. Also, I think you meant the Razor Gen II 4.5-27x56 as the AMG is a different scope. If I were to build a purely competition scope I’d seriously think hard on the Revic, I think the HUD is fantastic for seeing everything right in the scope and not having to get out of position to verify, great also if you have a spotter calling targets and distances. I’m 50 and my eyes aren’t getting better, but outside of competition a 3lb scope does not have much appeal to me.
I’m surprised there aren’t more responses because I know there’s a number of Hider’s who shoot them.
I do agree with hk dave, what were they thinking with that mil reticle, I’d almost want a plain duplex rather than that crazy thing, hopefully they’ll come out with a better reticle for the mil crowd.
I use mine in conjunction
I use mine in conjunction with a Radius Rangefinder so I never have to leave the rifle, I range the target, dial the range and shoot.
I have the Revic and a Gen 2 Razor, they are basically the same scope with different turrets and reticles so if you like the gen 2 Razor it’s definitely worth considering though the decision was much easier when they were only $250 apart rather than the $1000 they are now.
The rifle I have my Revic on put together and did a 20 shot load development on a new barrel the weekend before a long range shooting class. I took that rifle and got first round hits all the way out to 800 yards before I had to adjust my settings.
I use mine in conjunction with a Radius Rangefinder so I never have to leave the rifle, I range the target, dial the range and shoot.
I have the Revic and a Gen 2 Razor, they are basically the same scope with different turrets and reticles so if you like the gen 2 Razor it’s definitely worth considering though the decision was much easier when they were only $250 apart rather than the $1000 they are now.
The rifle I have my Revic on put together and did a 20 shot load development on a new barrel the weekend before a long range shooting class. I took that rifle and got first round hits all the way out to 800 yards before I had to adjust my settings.
So, I got my Revic out to the range yesterday. My initial feeling is....
Impressed.
The scope itself is like many have said, a near duplicate of a Gen II Razor (I have two of those). But the differences are what set it above many other scopes.
Turrets: I love how they zero (like, why doesn't everyone have this same set up?). Easy, no nonsense process. Turn the turrets to get your POI/POA to match, then lock the turrets down. Unlock the drum from the turret via the sliding (rotationally) plate on top of the turret, move the turrets back to read "0", and then lock the drum to the turret. Easy peasy, no fuss, no muss.
Loading profiles via the Revic app. Uh...bone stupid simple and quick. None of this confusion that comes with a Kestrel app (truncated names, weird changing variables, etc.). Takes all of about 5-10 seconds.
Setting Profile to Zero: This is the one area where it is a little confusing. Essentially, after zeroing the rifle, the profile needs to be set tot he zeroing conditions (environmentals, distance and angle) so that the ballistic curve matches. There were two ways, and they both were a little confusing (requires the user to put the scope on zeroing target and then calibrate it so that range and inclination can be locked into the zeroing parameters). But after attempting it a couple of times, the first method seemed to finally take. Took about 5 mins to get it right.
Once set, it was pretty much fire and forget out to 675 yds. I don't know if it was the cartridge I was shooting (factory 224 Valkyrie AE 75 gr ammo) or what, but it tracked like a mammer-jammer until about 750yds. After that it was impacting low for some reason. I suspect the given BC for the crappy little 75gr FMJ is off (it sure is stubby for a 75gr bullet). That being said, just using a LOS reading (not ARC compensating) from the LRF was getting me first round impacts on some 1/2 MOA targets out to 750yds.
The HUD: It's awesome. Windage call, elevation/range reading, temp, baro...it was all visible at a glance. The built in level (I felt) was done right; as in the level bar lights up bright when leveled, and opaque (with the arrow to one side or the other) when not. No need to stare at it, just focus on the reticle/target, and see the brightness in the peripheral vision as it hits level. I really like it.
Reticle: This was a MIL version, so I was a bit apprehensive on the busy reticle. It ended up being a non-issue, since when dialing for elevation, all the busy'ness is down below, and I just held off for wind. I really like the floating dot in the center... a lot.
Illumination: Holy snikeys, talk about options. Four different colors are available for illumination (Blue, Green, Red and Yellow). Now here's the kicker...it's automatic. I found out early yesterday morning while in the garage loading a profile. The garage opener light was the only one on, and in my act of loading syncing a profile, I hadn't moved much, so the light went out (motion sensor activated). Before I could look up (I was looking through the scope, dorking with the menu), the reticle lit up. Nice. A well thought out function that employs quickly, and without thought.
Buttonology: Pretty straight forward, but takes a little repetition to get it down to a smooth tactile interface (without looking at the buttons themselves). Menu layout makes sense mostly (kind of similar to a Windows "ribbon bar" approach; scroll across, then down to access functions/settings).
Summary: I'm impressed. I was a bit hesitant when ordering this scope (spent about the last year hemming and hawing over it), but am very happy now that I have had a chance to get it mounted, configured and out on the range. Is it perfect for a PRS style match? I'm not sure yet, as I haven't tried it yet under time, with multiple engagements at multiple ranges. For a hunting rig though...I think they hit it out of the park. Just going from random targets on our local range (out to 1/2 mile, and in high relief/elevation/angles) it tracked as advertised, and the ballistic curve was spot on for LOS LRF ranges. I can definitely say this scope will be on my prairie dog rifle and/or deer hunting rifle this fall.
I'll be curious to see how it all functions when an LRF API is integrated (the one thing I wish it did right now), though I'm unsure how that will affect battery life, since BT (even BTLE) is going to eat some batteries if not done/coded correctly.
If this scope is the boiler plate for future capabilities/functions, I think Gunwerks/Revic have a solid platform to do it. The ease of use (minus the zeroing calibration) were obviously designed with that in mind. It really (I think) followed the Steve Jobs mindset; start with the user experience and work back from there. Overall I am more than happy with the purchase of this scope, and am eagerly waiting to see what else may be added to it via firmware updates and such.
At any rate, I hope this brief amateur review helps some...
Impressed.
The scope itself is like many have said, a near duplicate of a Gen II Razor (I have two of those). But the differences are what set it above many other scopes.
Turrets: I love how they zero (like, why doesn't everyone have this same set up?). Easy, no nonsense process. Turn the turrets to get your POI/POA to match, then lock the turrets down. Unlock the drum from the turret via the sliding (rotationally) plate on top of the turret, move the turrets back to read "0", and then lock the drum to the turret. Easy peasy, no fuss, no muss.
Loading profiles via the Revic app. Uh...bone stupid simple and quick. None of this confusion that comes with a Kestrel app (truncated names, weird changing variables, etc.). Takes all of about 5-10 seconds.
Setting Profile to Zero: This is the one area where it is a little confusing. Essentially, after zeroing the rifle, the profile needs to be set tot he zeroing conditions (environmentals, distance and angle) so that the ballistic curve matches. There were two ways, and they both were a little confusing (requires the user to put the scope on zeroing target and then calibrate it so that range and inclination can be locked into the zeroing parameters). But after attempting it a couple of times, the first method seemed to finally take. Took about 5 mins to get it right.
Once set, it was pretty much fire and forget out to 675 yds. I don't know if it was the cartridge I was shooting (factory 224 Valkyrie AE 75 gr ammo) or what, but it tracked like a mammer-jammer until about 750yds. After that it was impacting low for some reason. I suspect the given BC for the crappy little 75gr FMJ is off (it sure is stubby for a 75gr bullet). That being said, just using a LOS reading (not ARC compensating) from the LRF was getting me first round impacts on some 1/2 MOA targets out to 750yds.
The HUD: It's awesome. Windage call, elevation/range reading, temp, baro...it was all visible at a glance. The built in level (I felt) was done right; as in the level bar lights up bright when leveled, and opaque (with the arrow to one side or the other) when not. No need to stare at it, just focus on the reticle/target, and see the brightness in the peripheral vision as it hits level. I really like it.
Reticle: This was a MIL version, so I was a bit apprehensive on the busy reticle. It ended up being a non-issue, since when dialing for elevation, all the busy'ness is down below, and I just held off for wind. I really like the floating dot in the center... a lot.
Illumination: Holy snikeys, talk about options. Four different colors are available for illumination (Blue, Green, Red and Yellow). Now here's the kicker...it's automatic. I found out early yesterday morning while in the garage loading a profile. The garage opener light was the only one on, and in my act of loading syncing a profile, I hadn't moved much, so the light went out (motion sensor activated). Before I could look up (I was looking through the scope, dorking with the menu), the reticle lit up. Nice. A well thought out function that employs quickly, and without thought.
Buttonology: Pretty straight forward, but takes a little repetition to get it down to a smooth tactile interface (without looking at the buttons themselves). Menu layout makes sense mostly (kind of similar to a Windows "ribbon bar" approach; scroll across, then down to access functions/settings).
Summary: I'm impressed. I was a bit hesitant when ordering this scope (spent about the last year hemming and hawing over it), but am very happy now that I have had a chance to get it mounted, configured and out on the range. Is it perfect for a PRS style match? I'm not sure yet, as I haven't tried it yet under time, with multiple engagements at multiple ranges. For a hunting rig though...I think they hit it out of the park. Just going from random targets on our local range (out to 1/2 mile, and in high relief/elevation/angles) it tracked as advertised, and the ballistic curve was spot on for LOS LRF ranges. I can definitely say this scope will be on my prairie dog rifle and/or deer hunting rifle this fall.
I'll be curious to see how it all functions when an LRF API is integrated (the one thing I wish it did right now), though I'm unsure how that will affect battery life, since BT (even BTLE) is going to eat some batteries if not done/coded correctly.
If this scope is the boiler plate for future capabilities/functions, I think Gunwerks/Revic have a solid platform to do it. The ease of use (minus the zeroing calibration) were obviously designed with that in mind. It really (I think) followed the Steve Jobs mindset; start with the user experience and work back from there. Overall I am more than happy with the purchase of this scope, and am eagerly waiting to see what else may be added to it via firmware updates and such.
At any rate, I hope this brief amateur review helps some...
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After some thought about the above statement "future integration of a LRF" I thought I'd put down some thoughts (perhaps the Revic folks are watching this thread?).
In my mind, the integration of a LRF (via BT link) seems a logical progression.
As such, what I think is that a LRF mode in the HUD should allow the display of the LRF value (on the left) with the current turret settings at the top (as it is today) and the offset in mils between the LRF and turret setting on the right. This way, in quick shoting situations the shooter has the option to dial or hold for elevation. That being said, if a shooter chooses to dial, when the turret settings match the LRF range (or close enough, =/- 5 yds or so), the HUD should then default back to it's normal display settings (wind call, temp, pressure etc.).
The need for a BT "wake up" button may be there, but perhaps just the normal activation would suffice (press and hold the "enter"/main/center button). The use case being, the shooter activates the scope, then lases the target. When the shooter gets behind the scope, the range is on the left side of the HUD, and turret settings are up top, and hold over/under value is on the right.
Now, where I see the Revic really shining in competition, is an RTC type match. I think if Gunwerks sponsored such a match, and then had some sponsored teams with loaner Revic's for each shooter on a team, then (with a LRF integration capability) I think you'd see some serious reduction in time needed for shooters to get on target and send it. I almost see a whole new dialog evolving with a Revic in the mix; something akin to a call for fire dialog. For example:
Shooter 2/spotter: "Target acquired. White IPSC, far left ridge line, left of the large tree, in the shadow of the tree."
Shooter 1/shooter: "Copy. On target."
Shooter 2/spotter: "Ranging"
Shooter 1/shooter: "Copy. I read 576yds"
Shooter 2/spotter; "Copy 576yds, send it"
As shooter 1 takes the shot, shooter 2 sets up for their own engagement of target 2. While shooter 2 is setting up, shooter 1 picks up LRF (or uses their own, paired to their partner's scope) and acquires target 2. And the sequence is repeated with the roles reversed. If both shooters have to engage the target, then they both just simply activate their own scopes before starting the engagement, so that both scopes receive the range input from the LRF. (Revic, are you listening? Multiple scopes should be able to receive input from a single LRF, if possible.)
Obviously, the above dialog/interaction between team members could be truncated to reduce even more time/dialog needed, but the above dialog gets the gist of what I'm thinking.
I'm not sure if Revic/Gunwerks has a rep on the Hide, but figured I'd toss this out there, if for nothing else than some dialog with shooters, but hopefully to provide some constructive feedback to them. (I know @reximus seemed to have an inside line to Revic/Gunwerks people.)
ETA: Edited for typos (can't seem to type this morning).
In my mind, the integration of a LRF (via BT link) seems a logical progression.
As such, what I think is that a LRF mode in the HUD should allow the display of the LRF value (on the left) with the current turret settings at the top (as it is today) and the offset in mils between the LRF and turret setting on the right. This way, in quick shoting situations the shooter has the option to dial or hold for elevation. That being said, if a shooter chooses to dial, when the turret settings match the LRF range (or close enough, =/- 5 yds or so), the HUD should then default back to it's normal display settings (wind call, temp, pressure etc.).
The need for a BT "wake up" button may be there, but perhaps just the normal activation would suffice (press and hold the "enter"/main/center button). The use case being, the shooter activates the scope, then lases the target. When the shooter gets behind the scope, the range is on the left side of the HUD, and turret settings are up top, and hold over/under value is on the right.
Now, where I see the Revic really shining in competition, is an RTC type match. I think if Gunwerks sponsored such a match, and then had some sponsored teams with loaner Revic's for each shooter on a team, then (with a LRF integration capability) I think you'd see some serious reduction in time needed for shooters to get on target and send it. I almost see a whole new dialog evolving with a Revic in the mix; something akin to a call for fire dialog. For example:
Shooter 2/spotter: "Target acquired. White IPSC, far left ridge line, left of the large tree, in the shadow of the tree."
Shooter 1/shooter: "Copy. On target."
Shooter 2/spotter: "Ranging"
Shooter 1/shooter: "Copy. I read 576yds"
Shooter 2/spotter; "Copy 576yds, send it"
As shooter 1 takes the shot, shooter 2 sets up for their own engagement of target 2. While shooter 2 is setting up, shooter 1 picks up LRF (or uses their own, paired to their partner's scope) and acquires target 2. And the sequence is repeated with the roles reversed. If both shooters have to engage the target, then they both just simply activate their own scopes before starting the engagement, so that both scopes receive the range input from the LRF. (Revic, are you listening? Multiple scopes should be able to receive input from a single LRF, if possible.)
Obviously, the above dialog/interaction between team members could be truncated to reduce even more time/dialog needed, but the above dialog gets the gist of what I'm thinking.
I'm not sure if Revic/Gunwerks has a rep on the Hide, but figured I'd toss this out there, if for nothing else than some dialog with shooters, but hopefully to provide some constructive feedback to them. (I know @reximus seemed to have an inside line to Revic/Gunwerks people.)
ETA: Edited for typos (can't seem to type this morning).
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That was brilliant, really appreciate all the thought that went into this response, I am saving this hoping one day I will build a purely competition rifle as I think the Revic would be ideal for that.
Ok I think I am going to buy one tonight. Any idea which spuhr mount I should get? Placing on an impact action with m24 barrel (has 29 moa built in) any idea on height and if I should get 0, 10 or 20 moa mount. Shooting 6.5 creedmoor would like to be able to dial out to 1700 but most common is gonna be 2-600 m. I don’t want to be too far off and make image worse by getting to much of an angle.
Ty so for the noob question
I'd venture a guess of 1.35" or taller.
Well it finally arrived I ended up getting the spuhr 4001 and fits great.
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that looks like a lot of info going on in the reticle, how is it person? nice setup!
I have had the Revic for about 10 months and am very happy with it. It’s basically like having a kestrel in your scope minus the anemometer. The software can be updated thru your phone when needed. I use binocs with lrf for distance. The guys at Revic have been very responsive when I have had questions.
Well I also have a Burris Eliminator 3 which has a built in lrf and shows a holdover.... no comparison. I haven’t used it at least all since getting the Revic. I really don’t think there is a need for lrf in the Revic, certainly not for hunting. I don’t see the utility of using the rifle scope for lazing an animal. I think that is much better done with the binocs. Pointing a rifle at something to see how far away it is just makes my safety bone ache a bit. Maybe the situation is different for prs if there is no chance of sweeping something you don’t really want to shoot. I don’t play that game so am not familiar with those conditions.
I've found it to be on par with the razor Gen II (which kind of makes sense)....
Was the sunshade from Revic or another supplier?
Had an issue getting the zero to set yesterday. Even with it pointed at the target it kept setting itself to 108yds(?). Scratching my head over this (even after resetting HUD zero, before calibrating the zero in the VBDC mode). Compass wasn't calibrated, but that shouldn't have an effect on zero.
Will have to call Gunwerks today to get it sorted...
Will have to call Gunwerks today to get it sorted...
Do you have a zero offset in your profile?
Nope. Zeroing went fine with the first profile (hell, even went to an entirely different range 3 weeks later, turned the scope on, dialed to a 300yd 2/3 IPSC and then proceeded to head shoot for 5 rds), but this second profile (loaded yesterday) is just having fits getting the zero set.
I had this issue twice. Once I had a zero offset, the other time I had previously dialed in an 18 mph wind and forgot to reset that ?. I have noticed that some changes made in the scope don’t seem to take effect unless I cycle power, but can’t recall the exact circumstances. I’ll be interested to know what you learn from the folks at Revic. Mitch has been very responsive and helpful when I have contacted him . Please update.
I believe the issue is the fact that the computer itself is more accurate than the mechanical turrets so it might be picking up the 1/4 MOA of slack in the turret, that or your zero angle is different from the original.
Did you update the scope? Also I wonder if there is a drastic temp switch between sight in zero and when you shoot as your zero may say something like less than 116 etc. let me know what Gunwerks says. First time shooting it today and was so quick just turning that dial to the range u needed.
Yes, my scope is updated and the update was great. So much more can be done from the scope now. Not sure what is going on with MARINEPMI’s scope but hope to learn something when he updates the thread. As of this point I am all good.
How do you update the scope?
It is done via the Revic Ops app. My guess is that if you recently acquired your scope it has already been updated, but if so you will find out when you start the update process. Are you using an iPhone/iPad or an Android device to upload your rifle/ammo profiles? If Apple, I can help, but I don’t have any Android gear.
I recently (past few weeks) got my scope. I use an iPhone, so assume that it automatically updates the scope (if needed) when it pairs to the scope(?).
First, be sure you have the latest version of the Revic Ops app. Then, to check your scope firmware open the app and establish the bluetooth connection just as you do when uploading a profile. Then from the main screen (what you see when you first start the Revic Ops app) look in the upper left corner for the 3 horizontal bars and tap that symbol. You will see a menu that includes the item “check for updates.” Select that item and from there follow the directions. Hope this helps. Did you learn anything from the folks at Gunwerks?
I got tied up yesterday with stuff (brain surgery scheduled next week; had a final pre-surgery appointment yesterday), so haven't called them yet. I'll likely give them a ring today.
Thanks for the pointer on checking for updates. I'll have to do that (first) as well.
Thanks for the pointer on checking for updates. I'll have to do that (first) as well.
Wow, serious business. Good luck with the surgery. Sending some positive thoughts and prayers your way.
Yes, I agree and have let them know about the manual. It is very incomplete and out of date. Some illustrations/photos and/or videos would be really helpful.
Okay, just got off the phone with Gunwerks, and apparently the 108yd "HUD Zero" is kind of normal. It has something to do with the encoder (what reads the turrets) and the difference in between clicks vs. ballistics(?). So, to be exact (with the incoming environmentals) it puts the exact distance (ballistically) of the turrets' settings. This ensures that what is shown at distance is the most accurate, while the closer distances (which are still exact) account for the minimal impact it'll have on your "zero". It makes sense if you think about it; the curve is being calculated and matched to the turrets (at distance apparently) and the rounding error of the turret clicks is displayed (accurately ballistically) where it matters least.
It would be interesting to understand where (at distance) the curve is being "pinned" that causes the curve to be back plotted to your zero that gives the slight variation in "zeroing distance".
Perhaps they'll have the engineer respond to this thread (I told them there's a thread discussion here going on about it).
As much as it doesn't seem to make sense at first glance, I'll say, the thing tracked to distance for me with the new bullet profile (out to 885, on a 4" spinner).
It would be interesting to understand where (at distance) the curve is being "pinned" that causes the curve to be back plotted to your zero that gives the slight variation in "zeroing distance".
Perhaps they'll have the engineer respond to this thread (I told them there's a thread discussion here going on about it).
As much as it doesn't seem to make sense at first glance, I'll say, the thing tracked to distance for me with the new bullet profile (out to 885, on a 4" spinner).
Thanks for the update. That all makes sense. I too have had good data from the scope. Have only had one day to shoot at 1000, but had horrendous variable gusty conditions with hills around and couldn’t even hit the ground ?, at least never saw any splash. But managed to get right on at 900 before the front blew in. Best wishes my friend. Hope you are soon out smacking the steel again.
I'll give my recommendation also, I own both the moa and mil version. Everyone has covered the scope well but I'd be glad to offer any more advise you'd like.
