• Watch Out for Scammers!

    We've now added a color code for all accounts. Orange accounts are new members, Blue are full members, and Green are Supporters. If you get a message about a sale from an orange account, make sure you pay attention before sending any money!

Crime of the century at my kids school.....

pmclaine

Gunny Sergeant
Full Member
Minuteman
  • Nov 6, 2011
    35,069
    69,680
    56
    MA
    Email from the middle school principal.....

    Dear Parents/Guardians,

    Unfortunately, I need to share with you that a one inch by one inch swastika was found in the boys bathroom today at approximately 1PM. Although I was worried about another anti-semitic incident after last week, I was hopeful that this would not happen.

    Right now, I am feeling a combination of disappointment, frustration, and anger. I understand many of you must be feeling similar emotions after receiving this news. Additionally, the staff that I was able to talk with before the end of the day, were also upset by the news. The staff here is proud of their school and knows that most of our students are caring, compassionate, and kind students. Once again, teachers will be addressing this incident with students in their ASPIRE class.

    Given that we do not know a time frame for when it was drawn, I believe that it will be difficult to find out who was involved in this incident. For the previous incident, we had an idea of the student involved because of timing. Given student privacy issues, we did not give details of what was written and the consequences. I understand this can be frustrating for some parents. However, students often know who are responsible for certain incidents and the names of those students may get out into to the community.

    Since, I believe that we will not catch the person responsible for today’s incident, I can go into more details. Today, the swastika was found in the second floor eighth grade bathroom. A student(s) had written the swastika in pencil on the bathroom stall. It was difficult to see, so it could have been there for a day or a few minutes before it was noticed.

    I also want to let everyone know the procedures of what happens when we find hate speech or symbols. I immediately call Superintendent of Schools Dr. Kathleen Bodie and our School Resource Officer Bryan White, who documents the incident. In addition, Dr. Bodie informs the Commission for Human Rights. Today, I also reached out to the Anti-Defamation League and the OMS Diversity and Inclusion Group.

    I will be meeting with the staff and the Diversity and Inclusion Group tomorrow to develop a plan for how to address this latest incident. I will further update you on Friday. Please talk to your child about this incident. I want to let you know that the Ottoson is committed to be a place where hate is not tolerated.


    I have no doubt their reaction to the incident last week was the cause of the incident this week.

    I feel I am going to have to draft a response to this.

    The incident last week pissed me off because I initially learned of it when my son told me they made all the boys go to the principals office and give a writing sample of the word "stupid". He didn't know why except for that someone had wrote something in the boys bathroom. Later I found out it was some sort of racial epithet.

    This pissed me off because I know for a fact that there are very specific guidelines for "custodial" interrogations of juveniles and as far as Im concerned with the reactions these people are having to the stupid shit kids do one instance of doing something immature can ruin them for the rest of their school experience. I better be present if they are going to question him.

    I need to tell them now if this is their reaction,,,,,,,,"Question my kid without me or a lawyer, the town can start shoveling money into my bank account now".

    The kids are acting more mature than these assholes.

    My response may have to include some history of the swastika and how the kids should be taught about it.
     
    Find the kid who did this. Go beat the asses of their parents.

    Case closed.

    :)

    These kids dont have a clue what a Nazi swastika or a hindu swastika or a cambodian swastika, or a native american swastika or a christian swastika means.

    All they know is that when they write it it gets a big adult reaction.

    I know these kids dont know what it means because the school is so lame in the education aspects.

    They spend too much time on this shit.

    Just about every drawing I made in grade school had swastikas on it because it was American tanks or planes blowing up German tanks or planes.

    In computer class I made a pixilated image of a German MP40 machine gun that fired off rounds. The computer teacher came over and said "Neat I captured one of those in the war".

    We are anti evolving.
     
    The swastika or sauwastika (as a character, 卐 or 卍, respectively) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon in the cultures of Eurasia. It is used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions.[1][2][3][4]
    In Asia, the swastika symbol first appears in the archaeological record around[55] 3000 BCE in the Indus Valley Civilization.[68][69] It also appears in the Bronze and Iron Age cultures around the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. In all these cultures the swastika symbol does not appear to occupy any marked position or significance, but appears as just one form of a series of similar symbols of varying complexity. In the Zoroastrian religion of Persia, the swastika was a symbol of the revolving sun, infinity, or continuing creation.[70][71] It is one of the most common symbols on Mesopotamian coins.[8]
    The icon has been of spiritual significance to Indian religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.[4][8] The swastika is a sacred symbol in the Bön religion, native to Tibet.
    The swastika is an important Hindu symbol.[4][8] The swastika symbol is commonly used before entrances or on doorways of homes or temples, to mark the starting page of financial statements, and mandalas constructed for rituals such as weddings or welcoming a newborn.[8][72]
    The swastika has a particular association with Diwali, being drawn in rangoli (coloured sand) or formed with deepak lights on the floor outside Hindu houses and on wall hangings and other decorations.[73]
    In the diverse traditions within Hinduism, both the clockwise and counterclockwise swastika are found, with different meanings. The clockwise or right hand icon is called swastika, while the counterclockwise or left hand icon is called sauvastika.[8] The clockwise swastika is a solar symbol (Surya), suggesting the motion of the sun in India (the northern hemisphere), where it appears to enter from the east, then ascend to the south at midday, exiting to the west.[8] The counterclockwise sauvastika is less used; it connotes the night, and in tantric traditions it is an icon for the goddess Kali, the terrifying form of Devi Durga.[8] The symbol also represents activity, karma, motion, wheel, and in some contexts the lotus.[1][2] Its symbolism for motion and Sun may be from shared prehistoric cultural roots, according to Norman McClelland.[74] The Arya Samaj is of the opinion that swastik is 'OM' written in the ancient Brahmi script.[citation needed]
     
    Find the kid who did this. Go beat the asses of their parents.

    Case closed.

    :)
    What the heck is wrong with you?? How would you like someone to do the same to you??? Really. How about a conversation with the kid... like you never did something stupid when you were kid... should someone have been sent to best your parents??? Good lord...
     
    Talk about people over-reacting to shit, even this place demonstrates how easy it is to spin people up nowadays. If the kid who drew it - knew that adults all over the country were talking shit to each other and arguing over his handiwork like it mattered at all - you can bet he’d be drawing them on everything he could find.
     
    Ok so now let's back it up a bit . Kids are kids . Kids do stupid shit . When we were kids we all did shit that shoulda either killed us or gotten us locked the fuck up .
    Kids get the devil in the sometimes and do shit that the know is wrong for the thrill and to teat the waters . Yeah there are boundaries and limits , like injuring or killing people . Bullying yeah big fuckin boundary . So I dumbassed kid made a swastika.
    If it was on someone's house or intimidating or targeting that's different . But c'mon
    kids doing kid shit and everybody loses their shit . Y'all need to do a little interspective and think about some of the stupid ahit you did as a kid . If you didn't do any effed up shit your real name is probably Miren and you were probably the class narc/dork/incel/masturbation olympiad/dork/brown nozin pencil sharpenin chalkboard erasin eraser clappin floor sweepin clearasil resitin chick repellin inhaler huffin sweater vest wearin four eyed window lickin Barry Manilow listenin freak .
    Edit. And now make six go seven figures and have a supermodel for a wife .
    I fuckin hate you . ?
     
    I remember kids at that age drawing swastikas, anarchy signs, peace signs and anything else without really understanding what they meant. They were easy to draw and seemed to be powerful symbols but a 13yo just doesnt understand the weight and context of them. Seems like they should teach the kids better.
     
    Let's see here...

    The Swastika is forever tied to the German regime that slaughtered countless millions in the effort to establish the Master Race, that led to a war in which far more died, including tens of thousands of Americans.

    Are you people really so stupid you can't comprehend why a kid drawing Swastikas is not to be encouraged?
     
    Let's see here...

    The Swastika is forever tied to the German regime that slaughtered countless millions in the effort to establish the Master Race, that led to a war in which far more died, including tens of thousands of Americans.

    Are you people really so stupid you can't comprehend why a kid drawing Swastikas is not to be encouraged?
    How long before you get banned again?
     
    Let's see here...

    The Swastika is forever tied to the German regime that slaughtered countless millions in the effort to establish the Master Race, that led to a war in which far more died, including tens of thousands of Americans.

    Are you people really so stupid you can't comprehend why a kid drawing Swastikas is not to be encouraged?
    Maybe . Can I get back to ya ?
     
    Let's see here...

    The Swastika is forever tied to the German regime that slaughtered countless millions in the effort to establish the Master Race, that led to a war in which far more died, including tens of thousands of Americans.

    Are you people really so stupid you can't comprehend why a kid drawing Swastikas is not to be encouraged?

    The only stupid person I see here is you
     
    Sounds like a "topic" for History class. And yes, teachers should teach the kids better, instead of pushing their own agendas. Kids are going to be kids and if the school adm. is upset about it, time for an assembly to happen. Mac
     
    • Like
    Reactions: samadisoulcrusher
    I can’t even begin to describe the crap that was written on the bathroom walls in my high school ( mid 80’s). Unless there was a direct threat it was painted over during the weekend to provide a fresh slate for the up and coming artists/lyricists.
     
    Let's see here...

    The Swastika is forever tied to the German regime that slaughtered countless millions in the effort to establish the Master Race, that led to a war in which far more died, including tens of thousands of Americans.

    Are you people really so stupid you can't comprehend why a kid drawing Swastikas is not to be encouraged?

     
    I always thought it was best to learn from history, rather than bury or hide it. It seems finding something like that in a school could be seen as a good teaching moment while it has the kids attention.

    In general as well, making so called “hate speech” verboten just seems like a bad idea to me. Some people have some pretty repugnant views of the world, I’d just assume hear them say what’s on their mind. Then I know who they are and where they stand. Free speech isn’t a one trick pony.
     
    if that was the school that i had gone to, and the staff reacted the way they did...

    that damn place would have had 1 inch swastikas fucking everywhere, we were ruthless
    and our dads werent putting up with mealie mouth bullshit like the staff is pulling either, but once
    dad or mom found out and told me to knock it out, i sure the hell did

    it is a different world these days, but push back
     
    The administrators are pretending like these students live in a vacuum, and they have complete control over everything the kids see or hear. I hate to break it to them, but the internet does not have the agenda-driven filters these people wish it did. You know darn well that every one of these kids have a cell phone and iPad and laptop available to them that brings 100% of the Internet right to their fingertips. Same thing with National Geographic or the History Channel, or any magazine with articles about Antifa loons destroying property and fighting in the streets. If these “administrators and or educators” actually believe they are “protecting” anybody from harmful imagery because they discovered and erased a lightly drawn 1” tall swastika - they need their meds checked.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: Steel+Killer
    Back when I was in school we used to write all sorts of shit on the bathroom stalls. Got painted over or cleaned and life went on. If the school is anything like my school, the place will be covered in swastika’s and dicks by the end of the week. They’re embracing their rebellious vandalism side, without the risks of being outside with a can of spray paint and cops
     
    • Like
    Reactions: Steel+Killer
    In the 1960s kids drew peace symbols in the stalls to piss every one off.

    Did not make the damn national news.
     
    Find the kid who did this. Go beat the asses of their parents.

    Case closed.

    :)

    How about take an eraser, and erase the mother fucker off the wall. Good grief. What a bunch of pussies they have at schools now, like this principal that wrote this letter, turning all these kids into pussies.
     
    I'm guessing Sieg Heil! Or talk of a master race would have really set their heads on fire.

    Kids play war games on computers and the natsis are Normally the bad guys.

    Just some dumb kid acting out.
    Would probably been more evolved if from an actual supremacist upbringing, like they would send thier kids to a public school anyway.

    Not like the kid cut it into his forehead or something.
     
    Talk about people over-reacting to shit, even this place demonstrates how easy it is to spin people up nowadays. If the kid who drew it - knew that adults all over the country were talking shit to each other and arguing over his handiwork like it mattered at all - you can bet he’d be drawing them on everything he could find.


    Exactly why their reaction last week resulted in this shit this week.

    But when your small town has decided to finance a Commission on Human Rights, probably a $100K plus per year position for someone, you better damn well have some incidents to get in an uproar about or that salary might be jeopardized.

    If you are hired to be a hammer, every issue is a nail.
     
    If they would have cleaned it up without any of the drama the perp
    would have loss interest in any repeats.
    Children in the decision making bidness.

    R
     
    • Like
    Reactions: zog
    Just imagine what would happen if someone left an empty cartridge case in the bathroom floor......
    These progressive lunatics would shut down the damn school for that and have a team of counselors available when school returns the week after.
     
    Just imagine what would happen if someone left an empty cartridge case in the bathroom floor......


    Its happened. It results in school lock downs and a whole ration of shit.

    About 4-5 months ago a local school had that exact situation.

    When they checked the security cameras they discovered a teacher placed the pistol casing.

    He wanted to start a shit storm because of a recent shooting somewhere else in the country.

    I dont think he was ever charged with anything....

     
    Back when I was in school we used to write all sorts of shit on the bathroom stalls. Got painted over or cleaned and life went on. If the school is anything like my school, the place will be covered in swastika’s and dicks by the end of the week. They’re embracing their rebellious vandalism side, without the risks of being outside with a can of spray paint and cops


    Dicks are permitted.

    They have a class on drawing them actually.
     
    So what about the billions of followers of eastern religions who still use it in both orientations and have it all over their buildings, statues, books etc?

    Or is it only racist if you are a pale face?


    Catholic church in Cambridge, predating the Nazi's in Germany, had some frieze blocks with swastikas for ornamentation.

    Removed sometime in the early 2000's.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: W54/XM-388
    Email from the middle school principal.....

    Dear Parents/Guardians,

    Unfortunately, I need to share with you that a one inch by one inch swastika was found in the boys bathroom today at approximately 1PM. Although I was worried about another anti-semitic incident after last week, I was hopeful that this would not happen.

    Right now, I am feeling a combination of disappointment, frustration, and anger. I understand many of you must be feeling similar emotions after receiving this news. Additionally, the staff that I was able to talk with before the end of the day, were also upset by the news. The staff here is proud of their school and knows that most of our students are caring, compassionate, and kind students. Once again, teachers will be addressing this incident with students in their ASPIRE class.

    Given that we do not know a time frame for when it was drawn, I believe that it will be difficult to find out who was involved in this incident. For the previous incident, we had an idea of the student involved because of timing. Given student privacy issues, we did not give details of what was written and the consequences. I understand this can be frustrating for some parents. However, students often know who are responsible for certain incidents and the names of those students may get out into to the community.

    Since, I believe that we will not catch the person responsible for today’s incident, I can go into more details. Today, the swastika was found in the second floor eighth grade bathroom. A student(s) had written the swastika in pencil on the bathroom stall. It was difficult to see, so it could have been there for a day or a few minutes before it was noticed.

    I also want to let everyone know the procedures of what happens when we find hate speech or symbols. I immediately call Superintendent of Schools Dr. Kathleen Bodie and our School Resource Officer Bryan White, who documents the incident. In addition, Dr. Bodie informs the Commission for Human Rights. Today, I also reached out to the Anti-Defamation League and the OMS Diversity and Inclusion Group.

    I will be meeting with the staff and the Diversity and Inclusion Group tomorrow to develop a plan for how to address this latest incident. I will further update you on Friday. Please talk to your child about this incident. I want to let you know that the Ottoson is committed to be a place where hate is not tolerated.


    I have no doubt their reaction to the incident last week was the cause of the incident this week.

    I feel I am going to have to draft a response to this.

    The incident last week pissed me off because I initially learned of it when my son told me they made all the boys go to the principals office and give a writing sample of the word "stupid". He didn't know why except for that someone had wrote something in the boys bathroom. Later I found out it was some sort of racial epithet.

    This pissed me off because I know for a fact that there are very specific guidelines for "custodial" interrogations of juveniles and as far as Im concerned with the reactions these people are having to the stupid shit kids do one instance of doing something immature can ruin them for the rest of their school experience. I better be present if they are going to question him.

    I need to tell them now if this is their reaction,,,,,,,,"Question my kid without me or a lawyer, the town can start shoveling money into my bank account now".

    The kids are acting more mature than these assholes.

    My response may have to include some history of the swastika and how the kids should be taught about it.

    I do agree that making a stand would certainly be the righteous thing to do. I think about it all the time with two in high school and one in middle school.

    However, I don't. I am sure you have considered this but on the off chance that you haven't.
    1. Your response will have collateral effects on your kids while they are in school. Not talking about the staff but about their peers
    2. It will have collateral damage with respect to other parents you may have relationships with.
    3. I know one and two shouldn't happen because of privacy and anonymity rules but guess what....they do.
    I talk to my kids at home regarding any items that the school raises that I find questionable.

    Just my 2 cents
     
    • Like
    Reactions: MTETM
    In the Western world the swastika is synonymous with fascism, but it goes back thousands of years and has been used as a symbol of good fortune in almost every culture in the world.


    Clinic1113.jpg
     
    I do agree that making a stand would certainly be the righteous thing to do. I think about it all the time with two in high school and one in middle school.

    However, I don't. I am sure you have considered this but on the off chance that you haven't.
    1. Your response will have collateral effects on your kids while they are in school. Not talking about the staff but about their peers
    2. It will have collateral damage with respect to other parents you may have relationships with.
    3. I know one and two shouldn't happen because of privacy and anonymity rules but guess what....they do.
    I talk to my kids at home regarding any items that the school raises that I find questionable.

    Just my 2 cents
    That is enabling them. Problem is that they go unchallenged and are even more empowered to cary out there social agenda. What kind of world will our kids live in if this shit isn’t checked HARD. What will they tell there kids?

    if crap like this happens in my backyard it will be fought against aggressively. Im tired of this. My kids will learn to be fighters as a result.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: samadisoulcrusher
    I went to junior high school in Dallas, was bussed there. It was accross the street from the projects.

    In the bathroom you could buy and smoke pot, get lsd, and speed.
    You could get set up with a hooker.
    Circa 1970-71.

    A black kid stole my clothes out of my gym locker and I beat his ass in front of everybody in the gym. The 7 ft tall affro wearing gym teacher asked how the hell I knew the clothes were mine.

    We all had our names on big permanent marker on them, duh.

    Still tried to kick me out.

    Swastikas on the stall, lmao.
     
    Problem is that they go unchallenged and are even more empowered to cary out there social agenda. What kind of world will our kids live in if this shit isn’t checked HARD. What will they tell there kids?

    sorry to say but that is bullshit..

    Your kids need to understand both sides of the story and learn to make the decision they need to make...the right one. Life is all about hard decisions and me making their life easier while I am cramming my beliefs down their throat is being short sighted. Your kids need to be able to see your point and see and appreciate what that point of view has done for their life...compared to the alternative.

    I have 5 kids...all of them successful....I have done it this way as it was done to me...

    Hope your way works for you and yours
     
    • Like
    Reactions: TACC
    Part of my early youth was spent living in the projects.
    Being one of the few white boys.....taught me how to run fast!