LOL! I think we should form a club - the "I could have bought a new truck, but decided to find the right scope" club
and trigger,and barrel,and stock/chassis...the list is long...and the bad part it continues LOL.....waiting for my PRS 1 right now!
LOL! I think we should form a club - the "I could have bought a new truck, but decided to find the right scope" club
So a Leupold Mark 5. Except for the 30mm tube.As stated many times already in this thread just give me a new mid power AMG!!! Please! 3-4x on the low end and 15-20x on the high end. 44 - 50mm objective. 30mm tube. Shorten it 2" or so. 25 ounces or less.
I love the 1-10 option but I think the price is a bit high for what it is MSRP 2,899.99 that’s a bit steep for a vortex 1-10.
Leica MagnusA 4 or 5 zoom 28 .oz or less with 56mm obj. Take my money.
I understand that a TT is better, and also costs $2500+ more than a Gen2 Razor. I do prefer the short form factor of the Razor vs the uber long TT, and the weight doesn't bother me as it's sole use is on my match rifle where the extra 10oz gets lost in the fray.
Honestly (for ME) the Vortex turret/zero system leaves a lot to be desired. It's just more work than it's worth to get that sub-0.1 mil "perfect" zero, especially if you ever swap barrels on an AI, DT, etc. Not only do you have to unscrew the cap (which always gets marred up), then three set screws, then have to adjust the clickless turret the correct direction. It seems easy/foolproof, but when you're rushing before a match, or trying to adjust zero without taking any more shots, I've seen (and done it myself) where you end up adjusting that last 0.2 mils the wrong direction and completely screwing yourself up. I also got rid of my AMG after one match, as when I adjusted the zero and re-tightened the set screws, the zero would move (rotate) on its own, no matter how I tightened the set screws. My Razor has never done that over the course of 4 years.
There's just something inherently better (to me) about shooting a group, adjusting the turret with the regular click adjustments to get it zeroed, then doing a couple set screws to rotate the turret to zero. DONE. Even easier if it's a TT because you don't need the set screws. Vortex if you're listening... ?
They do. I have a couple of Tangents and they are remarkably good in bad atmospheric conditions. I did side-by-side with a bunch of fancy scopes to see which sees through mirage better.
ILya
Oh okay, I didn't realize that, you must be right, all Vortex glass doesn't impress. ?
the mirage issues is what drove me away from vortex...everyone raves about vortex glass...it’s not that great.
While we are wishing, I think I would rather have 3-30 than either of those.Im hoping 2.5-20 and 4-40
Better glass that handles mirage better? Have you tried the same environment on a different scope? I have tested the G2 razor and ATACR and S&B under similar conditions and found them all very similar. Perhaps you have too much magnification dialed in or have a lot of heat coming off your barrel or can.
Different optics absolutely handle mirage differently.
Oh okay, I didn't realize that, you must be right, all Vortex glass doesn't impress. ?
I've had my AMG for a pretty good while now and I like the glass. To my eyes when Minox was all the rave, I had a Minox and AMG side by side and preferred the Resolution better on the AMG. But all of our eyes are different so to each his own..
@koshkin is.. and you might note that he stated something similar.
IF!, they could make a ZCO quality scope for 2/3's the price and 6oz. less weight across the models in 34mm tube/ in power ranges of 4x20& 5x30 with reticle options to suite the customers preference that would be amazing and part me from some $$$$$!
The 2-20 or even 2.5-25 sounds like a great mag range. I just can't imagine how small the reticle would be at low and how large it would be @ max...A 2-20 and 3.5-35 would be pretty sweet but of course that would be a tough one. But hey, if they can pull of a 1-10 successfully, I suppose it's certainly possible. Very curious to see what all Vortex has in store for us this year.
We all know you have the inside scoop lol ?A 2-20 and 3.5-35 would be pretty sweet but of course that would be a tough one. But hey, if they can pull of a 1-10 successfully, I suppose it's certainly possible. Very curious to see what all Vortex has in store for us this year.
Yup because we all know color is the most important thing in a scope. Lol
The AMG may be hindered by 4x erector, but it makes up for it with excellent optics, DOF, forgiving parallax and eyebox. I had a NX8 2.5-20 that really struggled in these areas, I hear the 4-32 NX8 is better but have not seen one yet.Just jumped on a used AMG instead of an NX8 for a crossover build.
The AMG may be hindered by 4x erector, but it makes up for it with excellent optics, DOF, forgiving parallax and eyebox. I had a NX8 2.5-20 that really struggled in these areas, I hear the 4-32 NX8 is better but have not seen one yet.
Haha, trust me, if I had the inside scoop I'd just be keeping my mouth shut. I can dream too! LolWe all know you have the inside scoop lol ?
As someone who's shot extensively with the NX8s I think you are very much correct. I think NF did a good job at 8x magnification range but I could't see it working too well beyond that unless either the lowest or highest power was virtually unusable.The 2-20 or even 2.5-25 sounds like a great mag range. I just can't imagine how small the reticle would be at low and how large it would be @ max...
Really liked this suggestion and understand the logic but it didn't work for me. When I unlocked the elevation turret and turned to zero (with the screws loosened) the "internal ring" moved as well so no adjustment was made. I had to hold the internal ring in place with a screwdriver to keep it from moving Was really hoping this would work on my scope.If everyone would just abandon the "official" Vortex process for adjusting L-Tec turrets, they'd be a lot happier with the process. Frankly, the erectors move WAAAAY too easily to be farting around with adjusting them with a screwdriver. I'm not aware of any other scope that can adjust in increments smaller than a turret click, and I don't feel like I actually need that level of precision anyway. My process:
- adjust turrets until rifle shoots to point of aim
- lock turrets
- pull caps, loosen screws
- unlock turret and turn to zero
- lock turret again (and press internal "hub" back into place, if it stays elevated)
- gently tighten screws until L-Tec tool just starts to "bend" a bit (per Vortex)
- replace caps
You really don't need to lock/unlock, but I do it to prevent accidental movement of the turret while I'm working.
Was really hoping this would work on my scope.
Razor Gen II. I see what you are saying and how it should work but on mine the internal moves with the turret even when set screws loosenedWhich scope do you have? I've used that procedure on AMGs and Razor Gen II scopes without issue.
Razor Gen II. I see what you are saying and how it should work but on mine the internal moves with the turret even when set screws loosened
I have had scopes from the first run to last year and never had an issue accurately zeroing them using the instructions given by Vortex. It’s simple. Lock turrets, take off cap, loosen screws and adjust center screw. Once zeroed, tighten screws and put cap on. Done. Simple.
Until the erector turns SO easily that it makes it nearly impossible to adjust accurately (unless, maybe, you have a surgeon's control over your screwdriver). Plenty of reports of people having this issue. I've had several people try to adjust my AMG via Vortex's instructions - just to show them how ludicrously easily that erector turns - and so far, no one has been able to do it with anything resembling control.
Maybe you have outstanding fine motor control, Rob? Like 99th percentile or better...
I have an AMG and a gen 2. I have zero issue zero'ing the scope using vortex instructions. They have .1 mil line markings on the dial that spins, I never thought it difficult at all.
Agree, huge Vortex fanboy with too many Vortex products to count. But the Zero mechanism for the Razor is its weakest point. Have heard the same sentiments from MANY Razor owners.Until the erector turns SO easily that it makes it nearly impossible to adjust accurately (unless, maybe, you have a surgeon's control over your screwdriver). Plenty of reports of people having this issue. I've had several people try to adjust my AMG via Vortex's instructions - just to show them how ludicrously easily that erector turns - and so far, no one has been able to do it with anything resembling control.
Maybe you have outstanding fine motor control, Rob? Like 99th percentile or better...
Agree, huge Vortex fanboy with too many Vortex products to count. But the Zero mechanism for the Razor is its weakest point. Have heard the same sentiments from MANY Razor owners.
Maybe lay off the caffeine prior to zeroing so those hand shakes ease up. LOL
Myself included. I waste more ammo zeroing a Razor than the simple slip turret designs. I would never even consider using a Razor on a switch barrel rifle. Other than this Its one of my favorite scopes.Agree, huge Vortex fanboy with too many Vortex products to count. But the Zero mechanism for the Razor is its weakest point. Have heard the same sentiments from MANY Razor owners.
I know how to zero. Any other scope it is done in 3-5 shots. Its the adjustment mechanism. It is not precise despite the markings. Move the inside dial 0.1 mil, sometimes POI changes .1 sometime not at all, sometimes .2. Say what you want but MANY competent shooters have the same issue. See it all the time with the Razor.Not sure what the hell you guys are doing. Takes no more ammo to zero a Razor than any other scope. Shoot one and use the reticle to make an adjustment measurement and then dial it. Usually takes no more than 3-5 shots to get a zero. Maybe I should give a class on it. LOL
This is my experience and I have posted it on here before. The internal markings are merely suggestions most of the time.I know how to zero. Any other scope it is done in 3-5 shots. Its the adjustment mechanism. It is not precise despite the markings. Move the inside dial 0.1 mil, sometimes POI changes .1 sometime not at all, sometimes .2. Say what you want but MANY competent shooters have the same issue. See it all the time with the Razor.