LOL! I think we should form a club - the "I could have bought a new truck, but decided to find the right scope" club
and trigger,and barrel,and stock/chassis...the list is long...and the bad part it continues LOL.....waiting for my PRS 1 right now!
Rifle Scopes Razor Gen 3 line?
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and trigger,and barrel,and stock/chassis...the list is long...and the bad part it continues LOL.....waiting for my PRS 1 right now!
I love the 1-10 option but I think the price is a bit high for what it is MSRP 2,899.99 that’s a bit steep for a vortex 1-10.
Still steep at 2k MAP?
Yet street price is $1,999...
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Personally I like the vortex turrets for multiple calibers. A small little witness mark on top of the inside cap for each caliber. Keep one of the vortex turret tools handy and you won’t ever mar a cap and you’ll always have the Allen wrench. Mind you I’m not an avid match goer but I like the little system I have in place. If I have any questions about which cal and which zero I check the barrel and twist off the cap to check to make sure the right mark is the one zeroed. I have the zeros shifts noted and written down but I never reference them and always just use the marks.
Interesting. I did not think that was possible. Any other scopes do well? Or do you rank them in any of your videos?
Glad to see you coming around. It really doesn't and they're now charging the same premiums as anyone else with an established name. They don't have budget glass anymore.
Their coatings and adjustments drive me nuts. I can never get them dialed to alleviate eye strain. My eyes just don't agree with their glass.
While we are wishing, I think I would rather have 3-30 than either of those.
you must be an optical engineer
I've had my AMG for a pretty good while now and I like the glass. To my eyes when Minox was all the rave, I had a Minox and AMG side by side and preferred the Resolution better on the AMG. But all of our eyes are different so to each his own..
Well said. And I agree AMG does have excellent glass and very good optical prescription.
Koshkin is very knowledgeable but he's not the only optical engineer on this site.
I'm hoping for a viper gen 3
IF!, they could make a ZCO quality scope for 2/3's the price and 6oz. less weight across the models in 34mm tube/ in power ranges of 4x20& 5x30 with reticle options to suite the customers preference that would be amazing and part me from some $$$$$!
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A 2-20 and 3.5-35 would be pretty sweet but of course that would be a tough one. But hey, if they can pull of a 1-10 successfully, I suppose it's certainly possible. Very curious to see what all Vortex has in store for us this year.
The 2-20 or even 2.5-25 sounds like a great mag range. I just can't imagine how small the reticle would be at low and how large it would be @ max...
We all know you have the inside scoop lol ?
All you guys are geeking out about the engineering specs and important stuff.
I'm over here just hoping they roll one out in black.
I'm over here just hoping they roll one out in black.
Yup because we all know color is the most important thing in a scope. Lol
Everyone knows the LCF cuts groups by at least 69.420% ?
Hopefully they don't release something like a 30-some ounce 2-20 or 3-10 anytime soon. Just jumped on a used AMG instead of an NX8 for a crossover build.
The AMG may be hindered by 4x erector, but it makes up for it with excellent optics, DOF, forgiving parallax and eyebox. I had a NX8 2.5-20 that really struggled in these areas, I hear the 4-32 NX8 is better but have not seen one yet.
Those exact reasons are why I decided to go with a used AMG instead. Fiddling with parallax when a deer or coyote wanders out of the bush line isn't what I need ha. These 1-10x razor IIis would be sweet on a short bush beater.
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Haha, trust me, if I had the inside scoop I'd just be keeping my mouth shut. I can dream too! Lol
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As someone who's shot extensively with the NX8s I think you are very much correct. I think NF did a good job at 8x magnification range but I could't see it working too well beyond that unless either the lowest or highest power was virtually unusable.
Really liked this suggestion and understand the logic but it didn't work for me. When I unlocked the elevation turret and turned to zero (with the screws loosened) the "internal ring" moved as well so no adjustment was made. I had to hold the internal ring in place with a screwdriver to keep it from moving
Was really hoping this would work on my scope. Which scope do you have? I've used that procedure on AMGs and Razor Gen II scopes without issue.
Razor Gen II. I see what you are saying and how it should work but on mine the internal moves with the turret even when set screws loosened
What's interesting is... I just got in a brand new Gen II... and it works exactly as you describe. Can't use my technique on this scope, but could on earlier ones. The tradeoff is - they seem to have increased the resistance on the erector such that I can reliably adjust the erector directly (per Vortex's instructions), rather than have it move so easily that it's impossible to adjust accurately (like the other Vortex scopes I've had that issue with, inc. my current AMG). So, whatever change was made at least makes it possible to follow their directions and adjust the scope accurately.
I have had scopes from the first run to last year and never had an issue accurately zeroing them using the instructions given by Vortex. It’s simple. Lock turrets, take off cap, loosen screws and adjust center screw. Once zeroed, tighten screws and put cap on. Done. Simple.
Until the erector turns SO easily that it makes it nearly impossible to adjust accurately (unless, maybe, you have a surgeon's control over your screwdriver). Plenty of reports of people having this issue. I've had several people try to adjust my AMG via Vortex's instructions - just to show them how ludicrously easily that erector turns - and so far, no one has been able to do it with anything resembling control.
Maybe you have outstanding fine motor control, Rob? Like 99th percentile or better...
I have an AMG and a gen 2. I have zero issue zero'ing the scope using vortex instructions. They have .1 mil line markings on the dial that spins, I never thought it difficult at all.
Come try mine...Agree, huge Vortex fanboy with too many Vortex products to count. But the Zero mechanism for the Razor is its weakest point. Have heard the same sentiments from MANY Razor owners.
If my AMG (and the other Gen IIs I've helped folks with) adjusted like my new Gen II, it wouldn't be a weak point. Very easy to adjust zero on the new scope following Vortex's procedure. It's as easy as anything else, anything. Modifying the procedure (per my earlier post) also made it very easy on my AMG and the other Gen IIs. No weaker a point than the other scopes in my circle of friends (ATACR, K525i, etc)
Got no special powers. Just look at the lines and adjust accordingly. I know some don’t like it as it’s more steps than just dialing and resetting knob but never heard of anyone not being able to use the little lines and make movements. Maybe lay off the caffeine prior to zeroing so those hand shakes ease up. LOL
Oh and forgot to add @davere but I have been hearing some rumblings of a change in the future of the zeroing so keep an eye out. You might be happier.
I've been known to drink some coffee... but really, in my case, the issue is that there's really no tactile feedback, so I can't feel the thing start to turn at all. It'll be interesting to see what a new zero-ing system looks like, though - but to be clear, I don't think it's hard on either of my scopes, just have to follow a different procedure than Vortex specified on one of them (and on several other friends' scopes). My new G2 is easy as pie.
Myself included. I waste more ammo zeroing a Razor than the simple slip turret designs. I would never even consider using a Razor on a switch barrel rifle. Other than this Its one of my favorite scopes.
Not sure what the hell you guys are doing. Takes no more ammo to zero a Razor than any other scope. Shoot one and use the reticle to make an adjustment measurement and then dial it. Usually takes no more than 3-5 shots to get a zero. Maybe I should give a class on it. LOL
I know how to zero. Any other scope it is done in 3-5 shots. Its the adjustment mechanism. It is not precise despite the markings. Move the inside dial 0.1 mil, sometimes POI changes .1 sometime not at all, sometimes .2. Say what you want but MANY competent shooters have the same issue. See it all the time with the Razor.
So I guess that means a large percentage of Razor owners are retarded?
