Vudoo V22 action vs Zermatt Arms RIMX

[AirGunShawn]

Come on guys, look at the forest not the trees! We are in the beginning stages of an amazing time for precision rimfire! I have spent unknown thousands of dollars trying to get a hyper accurate but still reliably feeding precision 22lr over the last 15ish years. People are shocked at spending $1500-$2000 on a 22lr barreled action these days, but before Vudoo came along (and now Zermat & Ultimatum) there were NO good options besides finding a Sauer conversion kit (which I had) but barrel options were limited because no one offers the 22lr extension, or going the Anschutz route (Match 54 and modifying it for CZ mags or the Anschutz factory 54 repeater) which your limited to stock options, and both of which are EXPENSIVE! Now you can get into a hyper accurate 22lr that is a R700 compatible for under $2500ish.

It is way too soon to tell if one of the new rimfire actions actually has any benefits over the other because only the Vudoo has any time in the real world. Time will tell, but I don’t see you going wrong with whichever one you choose.

What JBELL said..... it's too soon. I can really only add.... at this stage in our lives, buy quality for yourselves!!
You have worked your entire life to support other people and it's certainly high time you get something for yourself.
You are worth it and you deserve it. Just sayn.

Shawn

 

[AirGunShawn]

I don't like having options.....usually costs me more money.

You have no option..... your going to have to buy a Vudoo, Zermatt and Ultimatum !!

 

[AirGunShawn]

I want them all. I have a V22, I pre-ordered a RimX, and that Deuce looks pretty cool.... haaaghhh.... And I still want a 457 American with really nice wood grain and a same contour Shilen ratchet rifled barrel...

The CZs are a great value. I have the 457 MTR, At-One and the Royal. The triggers are sweet and really simple to get
them down to 10 oz. with a fifty cent spring and a quick trigger lap job that anybody can do. I used 9 and then 3 micron
aluminum oxide lapping film to get this finish. KOD has his trigger down to 6 oz.

Shawn

 

[AirGunShawn]

It's the simple fact that in the rimfire world it is very common to need specifically tuned magazines for each and every rifle. The height those rims sit at is of paramount importance to the functioning of an action. This isn't a centerfire we're talking about here. Nor is it some semi-auto blaster. Accuracy and precision is expected, and with that comes very specific requirements from the magazine. While it may be inconvenient that the mags are viewed as "expensive" by some, this does not negate the fact that certain mags simply will not work correctly in other rifles when tuned for a specific action. This is true even in the centerfire world when dealing with finicky cartridges. Just because a magazine is timed right for one rifle, doesn't mean it will be for another.

Magazines are part of a system, just because you often "can" swap them to other rifles, doesn't mean you should actively be doing that if it can be avoided. Your financial situation is irrelevant when weighed against the answer to a simple question: How would you suggest they solve the feeding issues presented by all the various chassis and DBM systems on the market without an adjustable magazine catch shelf?

A fully machined completely new proprietary mag with all the right features for $120, isn't what I'd call expensive. Financial considerations are irrelevant when you're spending several thousand dollars on a luxury item. That's a super cheap magazine, as far as I am concerned.

Frankly, I'm fucking sick of would-be outstanding products getting hamstrung due to people and their unwillingness to pay for quality. If this action and its associated mags function flawlessly, I could care less if the mags were $500 a piece. I'd still buy 4 of them for this rifle, at minimum. I hope zermatt charges as much as is required to properly service this system and guarantee complete functionality of every unit shipped. There are those of us that recognize just how big a project this was for them and will be rewarding them by paying whatever it is they ask. Just once, I'd like to see the price argument left out of the equation when discussing the merits of a product. As if we don't have enough piece of shit rifle systems built for price in this world.

@AFancyPenguin don't think this is aimed squarely at you. No offense intended... but rather a wake up call for people that want to complain about price all the time. There is more to life.

I prefer to have real steel and wood in my guns but that said. My feeling is that Zeramatt could have made the same magazine from some plastic and used ultrasonic welding to assemble it like Vudoo did and produce a magazine that is less expensive without sacrificing any of it's functionality. It is a fact that the cost of aluminum and it's cnc machining and then some sort of de-burring step like tumbling takes more time and cost than using poly. Then they also have the secondary step of anodizing. Hell, I nearly forgot, those mags may even be welded halves. No matter the process that they use, it wont be as fast as the 10 seconds or less that it takes to ultrasonically weld poly mags.

Look, it's a really nice looking magazine and it likely funtions really well but, every second that that magazine has to spend in the manufacturing process costs more money. If you mold them, you put cost into the mold one time.
I can buy steel CZ mags but I buy poly. If I could buy poly for my Annie's I would and I'm a steel snob when it comes to guns.

Just my thoughts.
Shawn

 

[AirGunShawn]

Totally off subject...... I joinded Rimfire Central yesterday and did not like them near as much as this forum. It was not that they don't have the same type crazy gun people over there that we have because they do !!
What this forum has hands down over them is the format and the ability to easily post photos and personalize your avatar etc. I'm not even sure that it is worth going back to. Sooooo.... who ever is spending his time keeping this
forum going, thank-you very much!!

Shawn Carroll

 

[orkan]

Sure, plastic is cheaper. Wears out significantly faster too.

I absolutely despise polymer mags. Putting an adjustable mag catch in a poly mag doesn't sound like any fun at all. The mag catch on poly mags is always the first to go... and in something as critical to seating as rimfire, I'm very glad they went with metal mags.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Rimfire Central sucks donkey balls. JMO.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Going to pick it up now.

 

[D_TROS]

Going to pick it up now.

pics or GTFO. ha


DT

 

[Jefe's Dope]

pics or GTFO. ha


DT

Installed it in the chassis right there in the parking lot at Mile high

Headed to the range now

 

[Jefe's Dope]

 

[AirGunShawn]

Sure, plastic is cheaper. Wears out significantly faster too.

I absolutely despise polymer mags. Putting an adjustable mag catch in a poly mag doesn't sound like any fun at all. The mag catch on poly mags is always the first to go... and in something as critical to seating as rimfire, I'm very glad they went with metal mags.

At this point I would love to have Mike Bush weigh in. He knows what kind of material that he uses for both of his magazine types and I do not. I only know what I would have used. Are you saying that Mike doesn't know what he is doing with his poly magazines or that he is selling a cheap product? If you are, you could not be more wrong!

If plastics / polymers wear out so fast, why do they use UHMWPE in total knee replacements? Why is the military content with Magpul magazines? In any design, you should design for manufacturing and that includes the material choice and manufacturing methods.
There is a huge difference between some cheap plastics of yester-year and the advanced polymers of today.
At the onset of my post, I said I like metal and wood in my guns.

If you know how to interoperate it, please take the time to look at the chart below or pull out any chart on the Rockwell hardness of cartridge brass and aluminum and decide for yourself. Cartridge brass is 1/4 hard with a Rockwell hardness of 55 on the B-scale.
Out of the four aluminums shown, three of them are softer than the 1/4 hard brass by nearly half.
Which one sounds softer and more likely to wear out to you? What do you base your statement on?
Is it because you despise plastics or do you have some facts?

When you design anything you have to account for hundreds of details. Having done it for forty years, I would hope that I am not clueless.

If you saw the glider in person, you would see that it is all aluminum ( 6061 and 7075 ), Dacron sail, flat nylon webbing, 7x19 steel cable, plastic baton tips, polymer spar joint for the variable geometry wing. Anyway...someone had to design this thing to take 6 positive and 4 negative g-forces to pass federal aviation laws. And the entire thing only weighs 65 lbs.
btw....that is not me in the photo below. I'm in the avatar.

From the movie, A knights tale: "you know not of which you speak"

Shawn

 

[orkan]

From the movie, A knights tale: "you speak of which don't know"

Shawn

... and I'm done speaking with you.

 

[AirGunShawn]

... and I'm done speaking with you.

That's cool.... read the chart.

 

[RAVAGE88]

At this point I would love to have Mike Bush weigh in. He knows what kind of material that he uses for both of his magazine types and I do not. I only know what I would have used. Are you saying that Mike doesn't know what he is doing with his poly magazines or that he is selling a cheap product? If you are, you could not be more wrong!

If plastics / polymers wear out so fast, why do they use UHMWPE in total knee replacements? Why is the military content with Magpul magazines? In any design, you should design for manufacturing and that includes the material choice and manufacturing methods.
There is a huge difference between some cheap plastics of yester-year and the advanced polymers of today.
At the onset of my post, I said I like metal and wood in my guns.

If you know how to interoperate it, please take the time to look at the chart below or pull out any chart on the Rockwell hardness of cartridge brass and aluminum and decide for yourself. Cartridge brass is 1/4 hard with a Rockwell hardness of 55 on the B-scale.
Out of the four aluminums shown, three of them are softer than the 1/4 hard brass by nearly half.
Which one sounds softer and more likely to wear out to you? What do you base your statement on?
Is it because you despise plastics or do you have some facts?

When you design anything you have to account for hundreds of details. Having done it for forty years, I would hope that I am not clueless.

If you saw the glider in person, you would see that it is all aluminum ( 6061 and 7075 ), Dacron sail, flat nylon webbing, 7x19 steel cable, plastic baton tips, polymer spar joint for the variable geometry wing. Anyway...someone had to design this thing to take 6 positive and 4 negative g-forces to pass federal aviation laws. And the entire thing only weighs 65 lbs.
btw....that is not me in the photo below. I'm in the avatar.

From the movie, A knights tale: "you know not of which you speak"

Shawn

Shawn,
The material I use for the Vudoo polymer magazines is the same material used by Magpul. We have tens of thousands of our polymer magazines out in the world and never have we heard about any feature wearing out nor have I seen it personally. We have customers that have well over 50,000 rounds through their rifles, which means they've cycled that many rounds through their magazines and they're still using those same magazines. Collectively, I've put more than that through a multitude of Vudoo's using the same magazines I've had for a number of years and see no signs of any of my magazines quitting on me. Price isn't the only advantage Polymer has over Aluminum when it comes to magazines and those that haven't used Vudoo magazines have no way of factually speaking to how they perform.

MB

 

[AirGunShawn]

Shawn,
The material I use for the Vudoo polymer magazines is the same material used by Magpul. We have tens of thousands of our polymer magazines out in the world and never have we heard about any feature wearing out nor have I seen it personally. We have customers that have well over 50,000 rounds through their rifles, which means they've cycled that many rounds through their magazines and they're still using those same magazines. Collectively, I've put more than that through a multitude of Vudoo's using the same magazines I've had for a number of years and see no signs of any of my magazines quitting on me. Price isn't the only advantage Polymer has over Aluminum when it comes to magazines and those that haven't used Vudoo magazines have no way of factually speaking to how they perform.

MB

Mike,
I'm so glad that you posted!
I don't think that the average person understands the tremendous advantages that polymers have to offer. I don't even think that people realize that there is a difference between plastics and polymers. At a molecular level, they are very different animals. I would like to think that I was clear in my prior post but if I was not, I think your choice to design for manufacturing with the polymeric material that you chose along with the ultrasonic welding process to assemble them, was absolutely the best way to go!! From where I stand, you would not even need to use the V22 magazine to speak factually and accurately about their performance. After all, you created it in your head long before you made your prototype. Before you manufactured a single thing you started off with an idea in
your head.

I would go so far out on a limb as to say that the polymer magazines will outlast the metal mags.

If anyone doubts my conviction, just look at the thumbnail.

For anyone wondering what type of aluminum that I would use, it would be 6061-t651. It has all of the qualities that you would want. Although a great material, anyone thinking 7075 is barking up the wrong tree.

Mike, I feel fairly confident that you must have made a video of the magazine manufacturing process, can you please direct me to it if it doesn't contain any trade secrets. In fact, I would really enjoy viewing all of the manufacturing
steps that it has taken to create my V22.
Even though I have been in design and manufacturing for 40 years, It helps remind me of all of the creative thinking and problem solving that needs to go into what I'm sure is perceived to be a couple of simple tubes with some machining in them. If people only knew how much effort has to go into making a quality product, they would be shocked.

Again, my opinion and no one else's I'm sorry if this goes astray.... I have been up now for over 40 hours straight.

Shawn Carroll

 

[7mMike]

I like my bighorn center fire actions. My vudoo over the last year and a half has made my rim fire experience amazing. Can’t see myself building a new rifle when what I have works.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Mike,
I'm so glad that you posted!
I don't think that the average person understands the tremendous advantages that polymers have to offer. I don't even think that people realize that there is a difference between plastics and polymers. At a molecular level, they are very different animals. I would like to think that I was clear in my prior post but if I was not, I think your choice to design for manufacturing with the polymeric material that you chose along with the ultrasonic welding process to assemble them, was absolutely the best way to go!! From where I stand, you would not even need to use the V22 magazine to speak factually and accurately about their performance. After all, you created it in your head long before you made your prototype. Before you manufactured a single thing you started off with an idea in
your head.

I would go so far out on a limb as to say that the polymer magazines will outlast the metal mags.

If anyone doubts my conviction, just look at the thumbnail.

For anyone wondering what type of aluminum that I would use, it would be 6061-t651. It has all of the qualities that you would want. Although a great material, anyone thinking 7075 is barking up the wrong tree.

Mike, I feel fairly confident that you must have made a video of the magazine manufacturing process, can you please direct me to it if it doesn't contain any trade secrets. In fact, I would really enjoy viewing all of the manufacturing
steps that it has taken to create my V22.
Even though I have been in design and manufacturing for 40 years, It helps remind me of all of the creative thinking and problem solving that needs to go into what I'm sure is perceived to be a couple of simple tubes with some machining in them. If people only knew how much effort has to go into making a quality product, they would be shocked.

Again, my opinion and no one else's I'm sorry if this goes astray.... I have been up now for over 40 hours straight.

Shawn Carroll

Shawn,
Your prior post was plenty clear and we're certainly in agreement. Additionally, those without underlying motivations to speak against Polymer magazines can clearly interpret the info you provided. Having said this, I also have Aluminum magazines and due to the difference in properties, it's not as simple as taking the same magazine design wrapped around Polymer and using it to machine magazines out of Aluminum. Once these design requirements are satisfied, the Aluminum magazines work beautifully, but you do feel a difference in how they feed.

MB

 

[AirGunShawn]

Shawn,
Your prior post was plenty clear and we're certainly in agreement. Additionally, those without underlying motivations to speak against Polymer magazines can clearly interpret the info you provided. Having said this, I also have Aluminum magazines and due to the difference in properties, it's not as simple as taking the same magazine design wrapped around Polymer and using it to machine magazines out of Aluminum. Once these design requirements are satisfied, the Aluminum magazines work beautifully, but you do feel a difference in how they feed.

MB

Mike,
I feel certain that your Aluminum magazines work flawlessly and feel great in the hand. I would think that folks will get the same pride of owner ship that they have with their V22 rifle as well.
I was just surprised to hear someone blurt out how much poly sucks. Also how they wear out faster and are cheap.
As you well know, the correct polymer used in the correct application will out perform steel or aluminum.
Conversely, if the wrong material is chosen for any given application, it wont perform at all.

Out of curiosity, I started snooping around for the material that Magpul uses. I have yet to find it. I would also like to see their manufacturing process for their magazines. I suspect that it is fairly impressive especially given the volume that they must have to produce. I did see a fairly long article on the latest Pmags and it is really amazing on how much thought goes into what appears to be a simple little object. IE: the stripper clip guides and dot matrix fields. I have handled those mags many times an never even noticed all of those details.

Thanks again Mike
Shawn Carroll

 

[RAVAGE88]

Mike,
I feel certain that your Aluminum magazines work flawlessly and feel great in the hand. I would think that folks will get the same pride of owner ship that they have with their V22 rifle as well.
I was just surprised to hear someone blurt out how much poly sucks. Also how they wear out faster and are cheap.
As you well know, the correct polymer used in the correct application will out perform steel or aluminum.
Conversely, if the wrong material is chosen for any given application, it wont perform at all.

Out of curiosity, I started snooping around for the material that Magpul uses. I have yet to find it. I would also like to see their manufacturing process for their magazines. I suspect that it is fairly impressive especially given the volume that they must have to produce. I did see a fairly long article on the latest Pmags and it is really amazing on how much thought goes into what appears to be a simple little object. IE: the stripper clip guides and dot matrix fields. I have handled those mags many times an never even noticed all of those details.

Thanks again Mike
Shawn Carroll

Shawn,
The material is a Glass-Filled Nylon product and the percentage of glass and whether it's long strand or short is usually kept quiet, as is the case for the molding process. As far as the "blurters," historically, there are those few that talk about what they did a long time ago (not because what they're saying is true, but as a means of celebrating themselves) and/or make biased predictions after someone else has truly done it and presents tangible proof by having an incredibly successful product on the market. Their game always sounds good, but it was never played out in front of anyone that can testify that the blurters were ever on the field and actually in the game.

As a general rule, magazines are always difficult. There's a lot of complexity within what appears to be a simple assembly and generally, throughout production, there's very little tolerance for variation. We brought our Ultrasonic Welding in-house to control variation because prior to that, we saw batch differences each time the weld tooling was removed and re-installed in the welder located at the mold house.

With our Aluminum magazines, there was A LOT of testing to dial in what is the feed column and custom tools were ground to increase manufacturability. There are things done in molding that are mostly impossible to duplicate in machining and the strategies have to be completely different.

MB

 

[nesikabay]

I GOT Booted for this thread. Any one have . One of there guns. I think not. They look good on paper. I want to see real word and range performance

 

[seafury]

Sooo.... does anyone have an answer or a hint as to what Vudoo is rumored to have coming out later this year as alluded to in previous posts?

I’m planning on dropping some MAGA bucks on my first premium 22 for a training rifle. Looking closely at the Deuce but if Vudoo has an ace up their sleeve I’ll shop optics first and wait.

Cheers fellas.

 

[littlepod]

I got impatient and ended up just buying the Vudoo. Having it in hand right now is fantastic and I don't regret my decision. I figure if something new and awesome does come out, it'll be 4-6months of waiting for perfection and tweaking and fine tuning etc... and I rather have more time behind the rifle and enjoy it. Vudoo is proven and will work out of the box.

RimX review today showed some interesting quirks, and as with any new action quirks are to be expected. So for myself, I'm happy to just start shooting immediately with a Vudoo, and when things get reviewed/proven out, can always try the next best thing later (6+mo from now).

 

[kriller134]

I got impatient and ended up just buying the Vudoo. Having it in hand right now is fantastic and I don't regret my decision. I figure if something new and awesome does come out, it'll be 4-6months of waiting for perfection and tweaking and fine tuning etc... and I rather have more time behind the rifle and enjoy it. Vudoo is proven and will work out of the box.

RimX review today showed some interesting quirks, and as with any new action quirks are to be expected. So for myself, I'm happy to just start shooting immediately with a Vudoo, and when things get reviewed/proven out, can always try the next best thing later (6+mo from now).

Can you elaborate on these quirks?

 

[orkan]

Can you elaborate on these quirks?

If he's talking about my livestream... I had a triggertech diamond trigger giving me fits in a RimX. I'd hardly call that a "quirk" of the action. I just spent 1000 rounds in one afternoon with the RimX. Not a single failure to feed, extract, or eject. I went to chamber one round, and it jammed up in the chamber. Upon removal and inspection, the bullet had a big glob of lead or something on one side of it. Bad bullet. It happens. Other than the trigger not wanting to drop the sear for some reason... it was absolutely amazing. I don't want to stop shooting it, but the wind is really coming up now.

Here's a couple pages full of 10-shot groups, in a pushy wind, with random lot numbers (several) of RWS R50. Some lots shot great, others not so much. The sighters and score box is eley tenex. The top row of top target is eley match. The rest are RWS R50.

 

[kriller134]

If he's talking about my livestream... I had a triggertech diamond trigger giving me fits in a RimX. I'd hardly call that a "quirk" of the action. I just spent 1000 rounds in one afternoon with the RimX. Not a single failure to feed, extract, or eject. I went to chamber one round, and it jammed up in the chamber. Upon removal and inspection, the bullet had a big glob of lead or something on one side of it. Bad bullet. It happens. Other than the trigger not wanting to drop the sear for some reason... it was absolutely amazing. I don't want to stop shooting it, but the wind is really coming up now.

Here's a couple pages full of 10-shot groups, in a pushy wind, with random lot numbers (several) of RWS R50. Some lots shot great, others not so much. The sighters and score box is eley tenex. The top row of top target is eley match. The rest are RWS R50.

Nice thanks! What’s you’re setup? How far were you shooting?

 

[orkan]

Nice thanks! What’s you’re setup? How far were you shooting?

TS Customs build - McMillan A5A stock w/hawkins bottom metal. Triggertech diamond (which is getting replaced as soon as humanly possible). Benchmark 3-groove 16.5 twist 26" barrel, 22LR Primal 2° chamber. Tangent Theta 525P in a Hawkins Heavy tactical 1-piece.

Was shooting 50yds in stupid winds.

 

[littlepod]

I wasn't blaming the action, just saying it'll take a bit of mainstream usage for triggers to catch up with whatever specs. And for someone piecing something together to figure out if a trigger will just work out of the box or not. Some people have time, some people just want it done for them.

If Altus or Primal RIghts will offer a tested full package for a RimX, that's great. But piecing one together, adjusting the mag, getting the right barrel, trigger, and make sure it will consistently and reliably feed and shoot I'd rather have someone like Primal RIghts do it, then to hassle with doing it myself.

With Vudoo, today I can have it done and sent over, so that's my pain free way of just having it done and me getting to shoot. RImX will follow very soon.

 

[47guy]

TS Customs build - McMillan A5A stock w/hawkins bottom metal. Triggertech diamond (which is getting replaced as soon as humanly possible). Benchmark 3-groove 16.5 twist 26" barrel, 22LR Primal 2° chamber. Tangent Theta 525P in a Hawkins Heavy tactical 1-piece.

Was shooting 50yds in stupid winds.

I recently switched to TT diamonds in both my center fire and vudoo...first trigger in vudoo fired 8 times then would not fire...Altus sent a new one and it’s been flawless sense.

 

[orkan]

Primal RIghts will offer a tested full package for a RimX, that's great.

We will be. ... and I agree... its frustrating to have things not work. So we'll definitely be doing proven builds for folks.

 

[littlepod]

We will be. ... and I agree... its frustrating to have things not work. So we'll definitely be doing proven builds for folks.

Thanks for posting the livestream btw, it was fun to watch and see. The non binding bolt is a definitely positive. I've got my Vudoo finally not binding, took me changing a bad "incorrect" way of cycling that I never had to worry about from cycling my Tikka T3X and some light oiling.

 

[orkan]

Thanks for posting the livestream btw, it was fun to watch and see. The non binding bolt is a definitely positive. I've got my Vudoo finally not binding, took me changing a bad "incorrect" way of cycling that I never had to worry about from cycling my Tikka T3X and some light oiling.

I could cycle this RimX with my foot... and it would still run 100%. I couldn't make it screw up.

 

[Tomiboy]

Orkan, Are those all 10 shot groups? If so that's some god shooting wind or not. RWS R50?

 

[orkan]

Orkan, Are those all 10 shot groups? If so that's some god shooting wind or not. RWS R50?

Yes, all 10-shot groups. Most are RWS R50 other than the top sighters and top row. Most of them weren't even with my good lot of R50. I didn't want to waste the good stuff when the wind was being stupid like that.

Those were also the last pages of shots for the day, and after 1000rnds... I was getting a bit fatigued... so some of them were undoubtedly just poor holds.

 

[seafury]

After reading the 8 page RimX thread, I’m considering that approach as well. Anyone got the scoop on what Vudoo is up to?

 

[RAVAGE88]

He shoots a Vudoo with his feet.



MB

 

[K80/6.5]

I cannot wait until things get back to normal and the job market is more stable so I can order me a Vudoo!

 

[Hoser]

He shoots a Vudoo with his feet.
MB

That dude has skills.

 

[Shifty6BR]

He shoots a Vudoo with his feet.



MB

Ya I've seen that.

Guy is F-ing hardcore.

 

[RAVAGE88]

That dude has skills.

He sure does, and he's a good Dude.

MB

 

[RAVAGE88]

Ya I've seen that.

Guy is F-ing hardcore.

Exactly. Another prime example of someone sidestepping a hardship and becoming something more.

MB

 

[stevenc23]

If he's talking about my livestream...

Is Livestream posted anywhere? Do you have link for it? thx

 

[MACHTECH]

He shoots a Vudoo with his feet.



MB

Aaron is absolutely amazing!

I'm still sticking with the OG for now.

 

[Moose]

I will be waiting for reviews on the RimX WSM.I also own the Vudoo with a Specter barrel and Mcmillan classic stock that I use for critters and love the rifle.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Aaron is absolutely amazing!

I'm still sticking with the OG for now.
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WOW, only made six of those; four 22LRs and two 22WMRs.

MB

 

[jbell]

Aaron is absolutely amazing!

I'm still sticking with the OG for now.
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If I am not mistaking that is a 605 correct? Damn I wanted one back then. That action and UGSW (the quality of their builds and Mike’s customer service) is why I jumped on the Vudoo train as soon as I heard that Mike Bush was involved and have NO plans of deviating from that loyalty.

 

[MACHTECH]

If I am not mistaking that is a 605 correct? Damn I wanted one back then. That action and UGSW (the quality of their builds and Mike’s customer service) is why I jumped on the Vudoo train as soon as I heard that Mike Bush was involved and have NO plans of deviating from that loyalty.

I'm not 100% about the model number, sorry. All I know is that it is one of the most accurate rifles I own. The build quality is exceptional. The birdsong coating and texturing on the stock is very tac-ops like.

 

[RAVAGE88]

If I am not mistaking that is a 605 correct? Damn I wanted one back then. That action and UGSW (the quality of their builds and Mike’s customer service) is why I jumped on the Vudoo train as soon as I heard that Mike Bush was involved and have NO plans of deviating from that loyalty.

Thanks JB, very much appreciated. There's been so much more to the ride than most are truly aware....

That's the 323, the 605 went a different route and was supposed to have a big OEM name on it and evolved again to become the V-22.

MB

 

[Gros21]

@RAVAGE88

What are these mid year improvements that were mentioned before?

Im keen to grab a vudoo and have been speaking to my local stockist (rhinosports)
But due to our aussie dollar ect ect it's $7000au for one in a JAE chassis plus extra mags and scope and I'm at 10k.

Just don't want to drop that money if it's soon going to be outdated

For those playing at home $7000au is $4450us so we Deffinitly have a fair premium over here.

 

[rick137]

@RAVAGE88

What are these mid year improvements that were mentioned before?

Im keen to grab a vudoo and have been speaking to my local stockist (rhinosports)
But due to our aussie dollar ect ect it's $7000au for one in a JAE chassis plus extra mags and scope and I'm at 10k.

Just don't want to drop that money if it's soon going to be outdated

For those playing at home $7000au is $4450us so we Deffinitly have a fair premium over here.

I understand your quandary but think proprietary man. VGW checks for bugs every morning.