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The Next Trayvon Martin Case?

Some news channel last night said that the owner of the house under construction has had multiple visitors and since no damages have been done that they were fine with it. They said that they believed it's a common thing in construction.
I don't recall which news coverage it was. They didn't have the actual owner on camera. Just quoted them.
I have worked in and around construction for many years and tourists on construction sites is very normal.
I did see a (new to me) video. It is from across the street of the construction site. It shows the man entering the house and then a little bit later a man is walking towards the house and is on a cellphone. They said that the timing were consistent with the first 911.
They stressed that nothing was taken from the house by Aubrey.

Does anyone actually know what the father's job was? Some have said that he was retired LEO. Some have said that he was an investigator for the DA.
So what the fuck is/was this guy. It may go to his mindset. Obviously the crime spree claim is bogus. Was the gun taken from an unlocked vehicle?
 
Yes, when they regurgitate the CNN/MSNBC/DNC party line as their "opinion", the name "leftist" fits the bill perfectly. It does not take a lot of effort to see where they get the garbage they spout as fact. When pushed they'll insert a story about having a relative in WWII makes them a veteran to color their anti-military opinion or a story about the time they unknowingly ate a venison burger at a bbq makes them practically a hunter.

It's always interesting how you find a guy like SxS with twenty posts on one of his several his troll accounts popping up in places like this. He might own a gun, probably a mid-1950's pump gun with a Cutts Compensator and maybe a Fudd rifle or a bottom shelf AR platform. They pop up all over the place. In the end they are just part of a rather large leftist troll movement out here in the ether, they are signing up on every gun, shooting and hunting board.

In this case, they spout the whole, Zimmerman was a white-Hispanic racist who attacked poor Trayvon for no reason and a racist jury let him go, if you support your right to self-defense then you are racist too. Which was exactly what MSNBC was spinning during the trial. Do you get bonus points from Bloomberg for throwing a, "wanna be cop" or maybe a "wanna be Rambo" comment in their? It sure seems like it.
Funny how a blowhard that thinks he is Bob Lee Swagger spouts incorrect information to attack anyone who they do not agree with. You sure sound like a FUDD that is projecting your own weakness on others. And talk about a FUDD round, that is the 7.62x51. You rubbing on your trusty Remington 700 SPS "Sniper Special" while cruising the forums ?

BTW Dipshit, I have been a member on here since 2002 but had to re register after my old account was purged.
 
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To label Zimmerman a racist is to be ignorant of the facts. Shortly prior to the shooting Zimmerman had let a black lady and her child stay with him and his family because their home had been broken into. The lady was scared. Zimmerman did it by the book. Called it in, followed at a discrete distance, which by the way, was a public road and so no-one has the right to expectation of privacy. It was Trayvon who doubled back and attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman pulled his firearm after he was under attack and not before he'd taken injury and was basically having his head pounded into the road.

Dude, I don't care what color or creed, if you're sitting on my chest and using my head to crack walnuts I'm going to do everything I can to defend myself and I'm not going to play triage with my methods or wonder on the optics of it all.

Trayvon wasn't doing anything 'while black'. Trayvon was NOT a victim, he was the reaper of his own choices. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and got killed for his unprovoked assault. He also boosted hoodie sales, which became another dumb thing about the whole event. Hoodies are a must have item of shoplifters and CCTV avoiders, it's uniform now for them.

Race is not relevant, the media did everythig that they could to Zimmerman, they even invented a new class of human - White Hispanic - in order to nail Zimmerman. I'm in no conflict in saying that it was a justified self defense situation.
Zimmerman did not do anything by the book which is what put him in jeopardy. He saw someone and called 911 = good , operator tells him to stay with his car and the police are on the way to meet him and he decides to play mall cop = not by the book, gets into altercation ending up with him having to pull his weapon and shot someone = not by the book .

BTW, as you state, it was a public road in a public area, Zimmerman started stalking someone who at that point had not done anything wrong after being told not to approach by the police operator.

Jackwaggons like this are just fuel for the Bloombergs of the world and after this happened more laws were passed limiting our rights.
 
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Here’s a video of a couple of gentlemen who also share my assessment of the video. That being that Mr. Arbery was the attacker in this situation.

 
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Here’s a video of a couple of gentlemen who also share my assessment of the video. That being that Mr. Arbery was the attacker in this situation.


The two hicks had no right to even stop Arbery. Read the GA law and get back to us. It is not against the law to enter a construction site that is not secured or posted and just look around. No crime committed means Citizens arrest is not lawful.
 
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There's a few questions about what they are saying in that video.
What are the Georgia laws on trespassing? Around here if you don't want trespassing you are required to post the property in a certain manner. You can tell people that they are no longer allowed on your property and the next time they enter they will be arrested for trespass.
As I said earlier. It's common for people to tour through construction sites.
Next question. If it's just a misdemeanor do they have the right to citizens arrest? So far in this thread it doesn't seem like it.
Next question. What are the specifics for conducting a citizens arrest? Were they followed? Without voice recording we'll never know.
 
Zimmerman did not do anything by the book which is what put him in jeopardy. He saw someone and called 911 = good , operator tells him to stay with his car and the police are on the way to meet him and he decides to play mall cop = not by the book, gets into altercation ending up with him having to pull his weapon and shot someone = not by the book .

BTW, as you state, it was a public road in a public area, Zimmerman started stalking someone who at that point had not done anything wrong after being told not to approach by the police operator.

Jackwaggons like this are just fuel for the Bloombergs of the world and after this happened more laws were passed limiting our rights.
Yeah, I guess the takeaway is if you leave your car, you could find yourself in a WorldStar video with a middleweight contender. And I guess the takeaway for the other guy is, if you participate in unsanctioned bouts with people that aren’t aware they are supposed to be fighting, they can just shoot you in the chest.
 
I think the citizen arrest thing and the rest of it are moot once the deceased tried to wrestle away the shotgun.
Once someone tries to take your gun they’ve already decided to murder you with it, just like once a robber enters your home while you’re asleep he has already decided to murder your family. You’re never going to know what’s going on in their head, so there is only one safe and prudent assumption. Whatever he was before, jogger, tourist, burglar, candlestick maker; once he went for the shotgun he became an attempted murderer. That doesn’t absolve the mistakes leading up to it, but it does take “murder” off the table.
 
Likewise if they persued him without legal basis.
I think the citizen arrest thing and the rest of it are moot once the deceased tried to wrestle away the shotgun.
Once someone tries to take your gun they’ve already decided to murder you with it, just like once a robber enters your home while you’re asleep he has already decided to murder your family. You’re never going to know what’s going on in their head, so there is only one safe and prudent assumption. Whatever he was before, jogger, tourist, burglar, candlestick maker; once he went for the shotgun he became an attempted murderer. That doesn’t absolve the mistakes leading up to it, but it does take “murder” off the table.

Again it's going to be an attorney delight. They will reap in mega dollars and several families will be drug through a shit storm of word mincing.
 
Again it's going to be an attorney delight. They will reap in mega dollars and several families will be drug through a shit storm of word mincing.

This is the most accurate statement in the entire thread.
 
The two hicks had no right to even stop Arbery. Read the GA law and get back to us. It is not against the law to enter a construction site that is not secured or posted and just look around. No crime committed means Citizens arrest is not lawful.
Glad that's settled
 
WRONG : Dispatch never told Zimmerman to “stay in your vehicle”
I believe, and could be wrong, they told him not to follow him.
Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle, martin had doubled back and jumped him.
 
I believe, and could be wrong, they told him not to follow him.
Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle, martin had doubled back and jumped him.

No they never told him “do not follow him”


From the transcript:

“Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok “


He had alread lost sight of Martin. At which time Zimmerman testifies he stopped following and headed back to his vehicle. The transcript, call and time lime of assault support this.
 
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Full 911 transcript.

Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a
real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, urn, the best address I can
give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or
he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking
about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or
sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...

Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

Dispatcher: OK...

Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

Dispatcher: OK— you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...

Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the — he's near the
clubhouse right now?

Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
Dispatcher: OK.

Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.

Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got
something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.

Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok

Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does
anything else.

Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the
clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the
clubhouse.

Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh
you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running.

Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance. ..fucking [unintelligible]

Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok

Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman: George. ..He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman

Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?

Zimmerman: [redacted by Mother Jones]

Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the
officer when they get out there?

Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the
club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they
go past the mailboxes, that's my truck.. .[unintelligible]

Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?

Zimmerman: I don't know, it's a cut through so I don't know the address.

Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?

Zimmerman: Yeah, I. ..[unintelligible]

Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?

Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap I don't want to give it all out, I don't
know where this kid is.

Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes
then?

Zimmerman: Yeah that's fine.

Dispatcher: Alright George, I'll let them know to meet you around there okay?
Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?
Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that's no problem.
Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [redacted by Mother Jones]
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.

Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I'll let them know to call you when you're in the
area.

Zimmerman: Thanks.
Dispatcher: You're welcome.
 
ext question. If it's just a misdemeanor do they have the right to citizens arrest? So far in this thread it doesn't seem like it.
Next question. What are the specifics for conducting a citizens arrest? Were they followed? Without voice recording we'll never know.

I was trying to get to this logic a lot earlier in this thread and so have a few others who keep getting shouted down.
-No they do not have the right to conduct a citizen's arrest, none of the conditions were met here according to the law
-They did not even attempt a citizen's arrest. That was an excuse fabricated later, it wasn't even included in the first police report.

So take Citizen's Arrest off the table, it was not even attempted nor were the conditions met if they wanted to. It's ironic that the folks complaining about listening to the media are the same folks falling for the media lie about a C. Arrest being attempted. Then go look up stand your ground law in GA, it's pretty clear.

-Arbery met all the conditions to defend himself. There is no obligation to retreat if you are in danger. He was cornered by attackers with guns, it's his choice to defend himself. These are facts according to the law, how the legal sharks spin it to sway the jury is a whole different story.
 
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I was trying to get to this logic a lot earlier in this thread and so have a few others who keep getting shouted down.
-No they do not have the right to conduct a citizen's arrest, none of the conditions were met here according to the law
-They did not even attempt a citizen's arrest. That was an excuse fabricated later, it wasn't even included in the first police report.

So take Citizen's Arrest off the table, it was not even attempted nor were the conditions met if they wanted to. Then go look up stand your ground law in GA, it's pretty clear.

-Arbery met all the conditions to defend himself. There is no obligation to retreat if you are in danger. He was cornered by attackers with guns, it's his choice to defend himself. These are facts according to the law, how the legal sharks spin it to sway the jury is a whole different story.

As I said before. I think this case will hinge on the legality of initiating the confrontation. Even if there was a crime committed by Aubery. If under Georgia state law this falls apart then suddenly they are the ones committing a crime in stopping him and brandishing weapons.
 
As I said before. I think this case will hinge on the legality of initiating the confrontation. Even if there was a crime committed by Aubery. If under Georgia state law this falls apart then suddenly they are the ones committing a crime in stopping him and brandishing weapons.

Yes and as I said, even though conditions were not met to do it...they did not actually attempt it. So all the arguing about it pointless. Then look up GA stand your ground and it's pretty clear.

Following the letter of the laws, Arbery was a victim. Will the court find this? Who knows because that is a freakshow circus.
 
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The two hicks had no right to even stop Arbery. Read the GA law and get back to us. It is not against the law to enter a construction site that is not secured or posted and just look around. No crime committed means Citizens arrest is not lawful.

You don't get much of an argument from me about the McMichaels' actions. However, consider this:

If I recall correctly, Mr. Arbery was seen RUNNING from the house under construction. To anyone witnessing the fact that someone RUNNING from the place under construction it could look like the person exiting the premise was doing it in a hurry for a nefarious reason.

For example, you are in an area and hear a woman screaming from a place that you cannot observe. You can hear her but you cannot see her. From the same location that you cannot observe, you see a person running past you very fast with a very worried look on his face.

Is the person running because he tried to attack the person you hear screaming OR is he running to get help for someone who has been injured in an accident?

It's wrong to make assumptions but in the heat of the moment, the very best of us can fall prey to this human condition. Without judging the guilt or innocence of the McMichaels' we should possibly consider that the person making the call in the surveillance video may have thought that Mr. Arbery had been committing a crime.

Now put yourself in that situation and try to dispense with any criteria derived from hindsight. I can see there would be a possibility of someone assuming that Mr. Arbery was up to something criminal. Again, put yourself in that neighborhood - especially if there had been a history of break-ins and thefts.

It's easy for us to make judgments based on prima-facie evidence. It's easy for us to look at everything in hindsight in the comfort of our homes and not having been in the situation.

All I was wanting to convey with posting the video is that a couple of other people see the shooting video the way I do. That is that Mr. Arbery looks very much the attacker.

Whether the McMichaels were right or wrong with confronting the deceased is certainly debatable. My gut reaction is also that they were wrong. However, I don't think they set out with the intention of killing anyone.

Having been in a situation when someone put a gun on me, I chose to surrender rather than fight. Again, I did nothing wrong and the pistolero was an asshole. As much as I wanted to shove the 1911 up the idiot's ass, the desire to stay alive was stronger.

I also couldn't run as he was a few feet away. If he was 20-30 yards away; running may have been a better option. I say all this because I know what it is like for someone to point a gun at you. I've been in more fist fights than I care to remember. So I know what it feels like to be attacked or confronted without provocation.

So I think I can say with some authority that Mr. Arbery's actions were foolish based on the video that I am seeing. I will also be the first to admit that I may be falling prey to making a baseless assumption.

Some people seeing the video make the assumption that Mr. Arbery was defending himself. On the other hand, it could be that Mr. McMichael is defending himself from Mr. Arbery.

Some assumptions are being made with race factored in. We don't live in isolation. To ignore race as a factor is to pretend that it doesn't exist.

We don't know the perceptions of the McMichaels or Mr. Arbery. The deceased may have thought he was being attacked by some members of the Klan or the McMichaels may have thought "here comes another N----- to steal from us again."

We don't know if those perceptions are true. Nevertheless, like the example I cited with hearing a woman scream and seeing someone run away, there are two different ways that we can look at the video of the scuffle between Mr. Arbery and Mr. McMichael.

To repeat, the McMichaels may have been foolish or acting on incorrect information for basing their reactions. However, I contend that, even if Mr.Arbery was within his rights to use physical force against Mr. McMichael - he was foolish to do so.

The video that I posted shows that a few other people are coming up with an assessment different from the leftist, race-bating media.

The video below may be a feeble attempt at comparing apples to oranges but the similarity is that both are fruit.

 
Zimmerman did not do anything by the book which is what put him in jeopardy. He saw someone and called 911 = good , operator tells him to stay with his car and the police are on the way to meet him and he decides to play mall cop = not by the book, gets into altercation ending up with him having to pull his weapon and shot someone = not by the book .

BTW, as you state, it was a public road in a public area, Zimmerman started stalking someone who at that point had not done anything wrong after being told not to approach by the police operator.

Jackwaggons like this are just fuel for the Bloombergs of the world and after this happened more laws were passed limiting our rights.

YOu're highly emotive and you're using language such as 'stalking' which is leading and well, bullshit. Operator didn't tell him to stay with the vehicle. Operator asked if Zimmerman would be willing to meet the police at a different location. Zimmerman didn't have Martin in sight the whole time. Martin ducked away and came round and jumped Zimmerman. Zimmerman did not ever close distance with Martin or try to cut him off or any such action. If you take the time to acquaint yourself with the court testimony you'll come across the testimony of the forensic pathologist who confirmed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman at the time of the shooting. Add to this that most of Zimmerman's injuries were facial and at the back of the head then you have a lot of corroborating physical evidence that Zimmerman only fired after he was in a bad situation in regards to his well being. There was no gun drawn, there was no threat to Martin to which he had to react. There was no reason for Martim to close the distance with Zimmerman, none.

Martin was a kid, a teenager with a lot of hormones and testosterone. I don't think he was a thug or a criminal and maybe on a 1,000 different days he would've just gone home and complained about being profiled and that's all it would have come to. Young men are dumb, they want to prove their mettle and it's part of growing up. But you need to be raised to know when there's a time for that and when it's better to prove your mettle with judgement.

I have two young boys, they're full of energy and love fighting/wrestling and all that horseplay and I take time to tell them when it's ok and when they need to rein it in and not push people around. Right now it's not penetrating those thick skulls but that's what parenting is, patience and persistence.

Listen dude, shore up your name calling. There's plenty here who are self-brainwashed that the great Communist Take-Over is at hand and that they need to slot anyone wearing skinny jeans and a nose ring. We don't need more crazy, we're good.
 
HEY WHATCHA LOOKIN AT OVER THER? HEY TONY LOOK AT THIS HERE HOUSE, IT"S FUCKING TINY COMPARED TO A NEW YAWK BUILDING! EHHHH!

Yes, you are that easy to spot. That and you drive like shit with your fucking Dark Blue / Orange-yellow plates.

Florida SUCKS from Nov - April while the fucking NY snowbirds are here driving like shit and acting like they're all that.
Sharing a border with NY, I can attest that they are the worst driver in North America. None of them seem to know what the passing lane is for, but all of them feel that they’re too good for any other lane.
 
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When the Zimmerman/Martin case first happened, I remember vividly ABC had a cartoon “dramatization” of the shooting on youtube. It had Zimmerman white instead of hispanic, gunning down a 2-1/2 foot tall black kid at 25 yards. That video has long since disappeared.

So inflammatory was the initial and ongoing reporting of the case, that most folks formed a judgement and refused to revisit that judgement based facts, transcripts, audio recordings and testimony introduced during the trial.

I have taught and certified CCW applicants along side off duty law enforcement. I have had force on force training and did the Colorado bail enforcement certification, which was heavy on use of force.

I mention this because I have a particular interest in self defense cases. Like many, the Zimmerman case is a cautionary tale. One that I have used as a teaching tool in the classroom. I believe the outcome was correct but a what cost. Certainly there is something to learn there.

Having said that, hindsight is 20/20. It is easy to look back and say “I would never have done that” but anyone who has half a brain (and most do in this forum) knows that you never really know how things will go down until after it is over. Certainly examining these type of cases can help us to prepare mentally to hopefully meet that challenge and come out better.......
 
Some not so great news for the two accused. The homeowner of the property under construction claims he doesn’t know them, nor did he share any info about someone entering the site without permission.

This will make it harder for them to articulate their probable cause to arrest him.

They may very well have other info for their probable cause. But info about that particular building would be extremely helpful for them.

The more that comes out, the more this moves even further into reasonable suspicion and not probable cause.
 
Witness to previous encounter between the deceased and accused is making statements. Seems he is the driver who took the video of the struggle over the shotgun.

"“Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped,” Perez told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Tuesday. “He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road. “ "


Also, seems that while the HOMEOWNER may not have known who the McMichaels were, that Perez, who had been asked to look out for the Homeowner's property, had done a team search for Ahmud on Feb 11th WITH the McMichaels...
 
Some not so great news for the two accused. The homeowner of the property under construction claims he doesn’t know them, nor did he share any info about someone entering the site without permission.

Truth by Equivocation. Homeowner Shared info to Perez. Perez shared info with the "Two Accused".
 
So Ahmud was running south on Holmes rd. (Compare street view to the video)

That doesn't make a lot of sense because the direction he was running was TOWARDS a dead end unless he had a car waiting.


"Larry English" is the homeowner under construction. (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/...veillance-video-ahmaud-arbery-btw-cpt-vpx.cnn)

Larry English owns 220 Satilla Drive.


So this isn't just a Chase him out of the home type thing.

Dude runs off to the South-East down Satilla from the original 220 home.... Runs NE Up holmes rd... turns around? Runs back SOUTH down Holmes rd. and into McMichaels at the corner of Holmes/Satilla ?

Seems strange.
 
So Ahmud was running south on Holmes rd. (Compare street view to the video)

That doesn't make a lot of sense because the direction he was running was TOWARDS a dead end unless he had a car waiting.


"Larry English" is the homeowner under construction. (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/...veillance-video-ahmaud-arbery-btw-cpt-vpx.cnn)

Larry English owns 220 Satilla Drive.


So this isn't just a Chase him out of the home type thing.

Dude runs off to the South-East down Satilla from the original 220 home.... Runs NE Up holmes rd... turns around? Runs back SOUTH down Holmes rd. and into McMichaels at the corner of Holmes/Satilla ?

Seems strange.

Extremely strange. But not probable cause of felony strange.

Just like even if the neighbor shared the info, they *likely* shared info of a description of a subject. Which is also reasonable suspicion.

If these two guys were on duty LE, this would be easy. Reasonable suspicion to detain.
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the father was instinctively reverting to his training for his previous profession. Thinking (subconsciously) he was going to detain him to see why he was there.

Most cops aren’t running through all the numbers in their head exactly, just know that something looks suspicious and they need to check it out. Once they have someone detained, they start piecing it together.

Unfortunately (or fortunately depending how you look at it), civilians don’t have the option to detain and figure it out.

Wouldn’t be surprised if that never crossed his mind.

While it looks bad they grabbed weapons and took off with one in the back of the pickup truck, without some sort of compelling evidence of racism, I do believe they likely thought they were acting lawfully and appropriately.
 
Its a crazy world when someone running down the street at you, and who then tries to take your shotgun is “cornered”...?

cornered
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adjective
1. having corners (usually used in combination): a six-cornered room.

2. having a given number of positions; sided (usually used in combination): a four-cornered debate.

3. forced into an awkward, embarrassing, or inescapable position: a cornered debater; a cornered fox.

Does anyone know why Mr. Arbery was in that neighborhood. Did he live in that area, have family or friends in the area.
Don’t you watch the news? He jogs. He’s a jogger. He was jogging. Joggers usually jog as far away from home as possible. I think he was 80+ miles from home on this particular jog.
 
Its a crazy world when someone running down the street at you, and who then tries to take your shotgun is “cornered”...?

cornered
[ kawr-nerd ]
adjective
1. having corners (usually used in combination): a six-cornered room.

2. having a given number of positions; sided (usually used in combination): a four-cornered debate.

3. forced into an awkward, embarrassing, or inescapable position: a cornered debater; a cornered fox.


Don’t you watch the news? He jogs. He’s a jogger. He was jogging. Joggers usually jog as far away from home as possible. I think he was 80+ miles from home on this particular jog.

While I agree the media is turning it into a shit show as usual.

I’d say it qualifies as being in an awkward situation.
 
YOu're highly emotive and you're using language such as 'stalking' which is leading and well, bullshit. Operator didn't tell him to stay with the vehicle. Operator asked if Zimmerman would be willing to meet the police at a different location. Zimmerman didn't have Martin in sight the whole time. Martin ducked away and came round and jumped Zimmerman. Zimmerman did not ever close distance with Martin or try to cut him off or any such action. If you take the time to acquaint yourself with the court testimony you'll come across the testimony of the forensic pathologist who confirmed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman at the time of the shooting. Add to this that most of Zimmerman's injuries were facial and at the back of the head then you have a lot of corroborating physical evidence that Zimmerman only fired after he was in a bad situation in regards to his well being. There was no gun drawn, there was no threat to Martin to which he had to react. There was no reason for Martim to close the distance with Zimmerman, none.

Martin was a kid, a teenager with a lot of hormones and testosterone. I don't think he was a thug or a criminal and maybe on a 1,000 different days he would've just gone home and complained about being profiled and that's all it would have come to. Young men are dumb, they want to prove their mettle and it's part of growing up. But you need to be raised to know when there's a time for that and when it's better to prove your mettle with judgement.

I have two young boys, they're full of energy and love fighting/wrestling and all that horseplay and I take time to tell them when it's ok and when they need to rein it in and not push people around. Right now it's not penetrating those thick skulls but that's what parenting is, patience and persistence.

Listen dude, shore up your name calling. There's plenty here who are self-brainwashed that the great Communist Take-Over is at hand and that they need to slot anyone wearing skinny jeans and a nose ring. We don't need more crazy, we're good.
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As you can see, the dispatcher told him that they did not need him to follow Martin but he did. He also had a chip on his shoulder with the comment " these assholes always get away" Zimmerman was always calling 911 which shows he thought he was a Super Trooper. If he would have stayed by the clubhouse and his car where he called from, he would have not been in the situation that ended up with him killing someone.

Here is the whole transcript. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
 
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As you can see, the dispatcher told him that they did not need him to follow Martin but he did. He also had a chip on his shoulder with the comment " these assholes always get away" Zimmerman was always calling 911 which shows he thought he was a Super Trooper. If he would have stayed by the clubhouse and his car where he called from, he would have not been in the situation that ended up with him killing someone.

Here is the whole transcript. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

None of that really matters legally. Dispatcher telling him not to means nothing legally.

Him saying “they“ always get away only shows his frustration with people getting away.

The only way Zimmerman would be guilty is if he pulled the gun on him or initiated the fight. There’s zero way to prove he did either.
 
No they never told him “do not follow him”


From the transcript:

“Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok “


He had alread lost sight of Martin. At which time Zimmerman testifies he stopped following and headed back to his vehicle. The transcript, call and time lime of assault support this.
He kept following even after the dispatcher said they did not need him to do it. He put himself into the situation. No excuse for Martin to jump him but also no excuse for Zimmerman to keep following after calling 911. He did not witness a crime.
 
None of that really matters legally. Dispatcher telling him not to means nothing legally.

Him saying “they“ always get away only shows his frustration with people getting away.

The only way Zimmerman would be guilty is if he pulled the gun on him or initiated the fight. There’s zero way to prove he did either.
Guilty of what ? Never said he was guilty of anything except of using poor judgment and getting in over his head. The perfect result would have been if they killed each other on the spot and saved the taxpayers money on a trial.
 
He kept following even after the dispatcher said they did not need him to do it. He put himself into the situation. No excuse for Martin to jump him but also no excuse for Zimmerman to keep following after calling 911. He did not witness a crime.

He doesn't NEED an excuse. It's on a public road and he never made any move to go NEAR him or detain him. Understood?!
 
Guilty of what ? Never said he was guilty of anything except of using poor judgment and getting in over his head. The perfect result would have been if they killed each other on the spot and saved the taxpayers money on a trial.

OK. You've fully earned your idiot card with this statment. I wish you'd have said this first, would've saved me time. Adios.
 
He doesn't NEED an excuse. It's on a public road and he never made any move to go NEAR him or detain him. Understood?!

I guess you missed the part where he got out of his truck and started following on foot behind dark townhouses. Understood ?! He would have never made contact if he would have stayed with his truck and waited on the police he called. Since it was a public place Zim had no reason to follow since Martin did not need an excuse or hall pass to walk around.
 
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Anyone want to talk about fanning the flames?
Tune into HBO, they are running specials all weekend about how black children are disappearing in GA.
They are laying it out for the imagination to run wild.
I find it ironic how HBO always have ready made specials for current events.
This is nothing new , its a lucrative business down here. We have known about this for years . Klansmen kidnap black kids and then give them to aliens , in return aliens give klansmen free anal probes . win, win for both parties

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I guess you missed the part where he got out of his truck and started following on foot behind dark townhouses. Understood ?! He would have never made contact if he would have stayed with his truck and waited on the police he called. Since it was a public place Zim had no reason to follow since Martin did not need an excuse or hall pass to walk around.

Zimmerman can follow anyone he wants to in a public place. He didn't need a hall pass either. I'm not saying that was the smartest thing to do but it was also his right. There is no crime with being stupid unless one is committing a crime while being stupid.

 
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So you are saying that the father and son team should have stayed away from Abrey and let the police do the arresting? Seems like the only crime committed by him was..... None. So the police may have questions for him but nothing other than being suspicious.
I guess you missed the part where he got out of his truck and started following on foot behind dark townhouses. Understood ?! He would have never made contact if he would have stayed with his truck and waited on the police he called. Since it was a public place Zim had no reason to follow since Martin did not need an excuse or hall pass to walk around.
 
Guilty of what ? Never said he was guilty of anything except of using poor judgment and getting in over his head. The perfect result would have been if they killed each other on the spot and saved the taxpayers money on a trial.
Wow. Perfect outcome?? I can honestly say I wish all the people in both of these incidents were alive. I don’t think anyone “deserved” to die. Martin didn’t leave Zimmerman much choice, but I don’t know that anyone wants to see him dead. You seem like a really angry person, you don’t come across stable, man.