I hunt with a few older guys that are stuck in the sight your rifle in 2” high at 100yds and you’re good out to 300-400 yds any thing further aim at the top of his back.... lol The concept of dialing in or holding a MIL or MOA based reticle is foreign to them. One guy even had a scope with MIL MIL setup, but he had no clue what he even had when I showed him he could range a target and then dial in the exact amount of elevation he needed.... He was absolutely floored......lol He didn’t even really know what the numbers represented on the turrets.