One of them mentioned that he was going to do that early on. I was like OK...I'm waiting
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Who the hell is/are the "internet police" ?
Fuck this guy^
Clint was spot on and it was refreshing to hear it said. When braces first came out, who can honestly say they didn't think it was a work around. At first it was a shitty rubber thing on a tube now it's a shitty rubber thing on a carbine buffer tube, The design is seconds from being an SBR with the pull of a lever and Installing a regular carbine stock. Anyone who didn't thing this would bite us in the ass is dense as fuck.
The dumb fucks at the ATF were showing the seeds whether they knew it or not. No different from the "Assault Weapon Ban" the only thing the manufacturers had to do was not thread the muzzle for a flash hider and remove the bayonet lug. Lawyers and judges will manipulate and interpret the law.
I’ve been waiting for someone to post something like this for years. I’ve come out and hinted at it and even blatantly stated it yet I never get any traction. Gun groups on the internet are huge and yes with proper leadership I think could make serious contributions to getting things changed, AKA make a lot of noise! But I’ve never seen anyone really mobilize people other than VAMike in VA and certainly no companies really doing anything other than I recall Travis Haley making a video at one time during Obama’s reign. Other than that it’s crickets from a lot of people in the industry and I never understood that even when I worked in the industry. It’s how they make a living and yet it didn’t seem like many wanted to speak out, AKA protect their way of living. Many say it’s because they were scared of being on the wrong side politically, which seemed pretty stupid to me because if they succeeded with eroding our rights any more like they wanted back then, then their businesses would have gone under anyways. It was fight and possibly lose or say nothing and possibly lose anyways. I’d rather go out fighting than just give up. The gun industry as a whole on this matter doesn’t make much sense to me because most of those with the most pull remain pretty quiet, with a few exceptions.
And on the other hand, this. He has a very valid point. All summer long in 2020 I didn’t see anyone working peaceably to accomplish anything. What I seen was strongarming and it’s still happening. I’m with Wade, I’m not 100% sure that the country can ever be made whagain, we have simply become too divided, whether that was natural progression from people dropping the ball or whether it was prodded purposely by those with an agenda.
Yes the pendulum swings and sometimes you can make strides using regular channels but at some point you might have to step outside the path of the normal swing to get stuff done. The left has resorted to tactics that are way outside what I’d consider a civil playbook and I’m not sure that you can operate under the normal rules and accomplish anything anymore.
It kind of reminds me of playing football way back in the day with the rival neighborhoods outside of real games. We’d kick their asses and they’d want to change the rules. Fine, we played by those rules and we still kicked their asses and then they wanted to keep changing the rules until a time came that it wasn’t even worth playing anymore. No matter what they whined and bitched and still got their way. These are the people running the country now. Instead if practicing and putting in the time to achieve greatness they want to bend the rules or bitch loud enough until peope give in. This is not the way and sadly we have generations of people that I call pussies that have simply taken over with this mindset. They act like little toddlers and have fits of violence and at some point daddy is going to have to hit back to correct that behavior.
It’s a sad day but at this point our side, so to speak, are generations behind. I try to teach the young ones I come in contact with, the right way, but we are way behind the curve.
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New guy here here chiming in. The twitter-twits from the weekend kind of spurned me to quit lurking and sign up. I wanted to say a few things they needed to hear even if their only response would have been "you're a fag". But Frank was in the process of trashing those threads while I was fishing the SH confirmation emails this afternoon from my spam box. So, I'll throw in a couple cents to this discussion.
What we witnessed being spewed over the forum this weekend are symptoms of larger problems in America. Bored youth with pent up anger issues and a false notion of something to prove is a recipe for disaster. Add media manipulation convincing these kids/man-children that the government is out to get them, giving them labels, and shaming them at the same time for their 2nd amendment enthusiasm is throwing more wood to the fire. All respect for society then gets burned up, but that just might be intentional. I had typed up a long three paragraph rant, but deleted that just to say it will take a multi directional approach to set things right for America. Corruption and greed at all levels of government, business, and media needs to come to a full stop. Petitioning government might work, but don't be surprised if it doesn't. Hopefully some preppers out there in this pandemic have been stocking up on tar and feathers. We might need it
What we witnessed being spewed over the forum this weekend are symptoms of larger problems in America. Bored youth with pent up anger issues and a false notion of something to prove is a recipe for disaster. Add media manipulation convincing these kids/man-children that the government is out to get them, giving them labels, and shaming them at the same time for their 2nd amendment enthusiasm is throwing more wood to the fire. All respect for society then gets burned up, but that just might be intentional. I had typed up a long three paragraph rant, but deleted that just to say it will take a multi directional approach to set things right for America. Corruption and greed at all levels of government, business, and media needs to come to a full stop. Petitioning government might work, but don't be surprised if it doesn't. Hopefully some preppers out there in this pandemic have been stocking up on tar and feathers. We might need it
I don’t think many can argue with you on this. I think those that developed it originally had good intentions and it became something else, like most things. However, I’m kind of one of those purist 2A guys. The 2A doesn’t say anything about anything having to be approved by the gov or licenses and fees to be paid, doesn’t say anything about modifications being illegal or things to meet certain standards to pass inspection. In fact, the 2A is quite clear. And despite what the courts say, I don’t think it was to be restricted at all otherwise they would have stated at such. And if the courts or the government want to make the argument that it is then go through the amendment process to change it, which by the way hasnt been done. Until then it should stand in its elegantly simplistic form that is crystal clear.
But you see they won’t go through the process because they know they would open up Pandora’s box. Instead they resort to redefining the 2A. Don’t believe me, do a Google search and you will find that in many cases it has been redefined from its original form, quite drastically, as a re-education tool. If they it loud enough in its redefined form while erasing its original intent then the next generations won’t know any different and they can get away with not doing a true amendment process. This is dangerous, but it is without a doubt what they are doing. America truly is on life support, sadly most either don’t know it or won’t acknowledge it.
I'm certain we are on the same page here. I never said (nor did you accuse me) of saying the laws were just. But they are the laws whether we agree with them or not.
I'm in Illinois, we have some fucked up "rules" to follow compared to most other states. We are not allowed NFA items even with a tax stamp unless you are a manufacturer or a dealer. We are home to Springfield Armory, & Rock River, we did have LMT and Les. Baer, but both moved a few miles across the river into Iowa to a better bussiness climate. We have several law suits dealing with Foid cards, the issue there of and other BS issues. Lawsuits take time, years. Non compliance is about our only short option if the feds change the stance on braces, or any thing else we may already currently own.
We are on the same page and I’m not accusing anyone of anything but I do wonder why should we follow laws that are in complete opposition to the law of the land? Again, if the 2A was meant to be interpreted the way the courts are saying then why wasn’t it specific in its simplistic language? Seems to me it was intentionally written the way it is. And if anyone in gov wants to argue the point that it should be limited then they should start the amendment process and do it. The founders left a process for that to be done yet people seem to ignore it! Why is that? People seem to just write laws on whatever they want and somehow along the way the people have come to just accept them. Anything not following the process should be ignored, doesn’t matter what agency was supposedly put in charge. And frankly, I’m growing tired of ATF interpretations. I know many people in the ATF and they are great people, just doing their jobs, but they don’t seem to understand how that is wrong. The ATF doesn’t make law yet somehow it has sort of been interpreted as such to some degree. And the sad reality is, they can pass whatever laws they want. There will always be evil people and those people don’t follow laws, period. Criminals will always have access to weapons. Are we really naive enough to think that pistol braces or laws on SBRs really does anything? There are a myriad of ways that some could cause infinitely more damage with some common household materials. A lot of this is just getting silly and imo is starting to be more and more about control. Next thing you know we will be as stupid as the UK and be regulating kitchen knives or something.
Well that’s weird @wade2big. Was quoting your post and poof, it’s gone. I believe there are good people, just led astray. In this case, you just have to teach them. I try not to persecute those that I feel are going down the wrong path, rather I try and show them the way. You’d also be happy to know that there are those in the ATF that do not agree with the upper echelons and the way things have been, this goes for all agencies. Many wouldnt know that there is silently a war being waged, so to speak within a lot of these agencies. And while many scorn some in these agencies, I can say i know some who have lost their jobs for standing up for what they believe in. I also know one gent that said F it and simply quit. It is what it is, but don’t think that there aren’t people in those agencies trying to make things right. It is a process as most don’t carry major weight.
My first inclination is to go with GOA. The NRA ILA is a day late and a dollar short. I tried to get them in on 2014, 2016, and 2020 state legislation where I live. No interest until the legislators were meeting. Far too late by then and the 2A took the hits each session. "All politics are local" and that means engagement needs to be 365 days a year at the state level. With all the crap going on now with the NRA, I think they should give their support to GOA, who a least has their eye on the target (pun intended). Strong players, good lawyers, and motivated to do the right thing without all the baggage. I can get behind that but I can't get behind buying somebody vacations and high dollar suits and hoping local 2A issues rise to NRA's level of interest.
LL would need to make the call on this, but SH as a GOA "partner" might go a long ways to get our band of brothers in a place where some of this rhetoric might do some good.
And before everyone starts bashing on me bashing the NRA, I'm a life member.
FTNRA
Full disclosure. I’m one of the ones from Twitter. You can ban me like my other account if you’d like. (I didn’t call anyone names but was banned nonetheless)
What’s interesting is that I’ve seen a good majority of people in this post agree with our basic premise of gun regulations are unconstitutional and that $200 isn’t the point (especially considering most of them have multiple stamped items). We shouldn’t have to pay the government to exercise our rights, ever. Now that we are gone and the heat is off, everyone is seemingly agreeing. A number of posts have recognized that compromise and compliance is a fools errand. At some point in time the gov will come after something in your safe and it will be too late. Some of their methods weren’t effective but the message is legit and agreed upon by most here.
As far as unprofessional comments go, no side held moral high ground. It’s was pretty embarrassing to see grown ass adults act like that.
The battleground for the protection of the 2A isn’t in this part of social media. It’s in our choice of social media. The choice to remain inside this forum doesn’t do any good as this audience aren’t the ones who need to hear the message. You aren’t going influence the next generation on this site. You aren’t going to influence policy makers by giving your hard earned money to the NRA, unless you like burning cash. Because the NRA, like the people before us, have compromised and conceded ground to the point of irrelevance. This is the rear, where you can take R&R, amongst like minded individuals and away from the trenches.
On Twitter this afternoon, there was a CA assemblyman that posted the below pic. Within a few hours, many the very same “2A Antifa”, as they have been labeled here, bombarded the assemblyman into deleting the tweet and issuing a retraction. Is that not the pressure we want to place on people who wish to take away our freedoms?
Lastly, I don’t know who is “reporting” the site. But who are they going to report it to? It’s your own site. If the owner and the mods are cool with some of what was said by the members here then it’s on them. Do you think any self respecting cop or lawyer is going to think twice about this internet drama? I have significant doubts.
I’ll be waiting for the ban.
What’s interesting is that I’ve seen a good majority of people in this post agree with our basic premise of gun regulations are unconstitutional and that $200 isn’t the point (especially considering most of them have multiple stamped items). We shouldn’t have to pay the government to exercise our rights, ever. Now that we are gone and the heat is off, everyone is seemingly agreeing. A number of posts have recognized that compromise and compliance is a fools errand. At some point in time the gov will come after something in your safe and it will be too late. Some of their methods weren’t effective but the message is legit and agreed upon by most here.
As far as unprofessional comments go, no side held moral high ground. It’s was pretty embarrassing to see grown ass adults act like that.
The battleground for the protection of the 2A isn’t in this part of social media. It’s in our choice of social media. The choice to remain inside this forum doesn’t do any good as this audience aren’t the ones who need to hear the message. You aren’t going influence the next generation on this site. You aren’t going to influence policy makers by giving your hard earned money to the NRA, unless you like burning cash. Because the NRA, like the people before us, have compromised and conceded ground to the point of irrelevance. This is the rear, where you can take R&R, amongst like minded individuals and away from the trenches.
On Twitter this afternoon, there was a CA assemblyman that posted the below pic. Within a few hours, many the very same “2A Antifa”, as they have been labeled here, bombarded the assemblyman into deleting the tweet and issuing a retraction. Is that not the pressure we want to place on people who wish to take away our freedoms?
Lastly, I don’t know who is “reporting” the site. But who are they going to report it to? It’s your own site. If the owner and the mods are cool with some of what was said by the members here then it’s on them. Do you think any self respecting cop or lawyer is going to think twice about this internet drama? I have significant doubts.
I’ll be waiting for the ban.
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Just so I'm clear a CA assemblyman post a pic of a BB gun package & 2A Antifa dog piled him, getting him to retract?
If that's the case then optically I'd give the win to CA assemblyman. He baited & 2A mob bit? Is that what happened?
BTW - I'm on no social media aside from 2 forums.
I'd say yeah most here are all for supporting 2A, however we have to be fight smart. Pick your battles. Know where the pendulum is as it matters a lot.
Don't play checkers with chess players.
Many of us are entrenched in the fight to preserve/restore 2A, our methods differ a lot based on what I saw this weekend.
I'm on another gun forum local to me. We have house Reps on there, Prominent Lawyers from 2A organizations etc. Hell that's where the "We will not comply movement" started, but there's a time and a place for it. If that pack of Twitter clowns showed up on that forum & weren't immediately banned The house reps & lawyers would immediately disengage.
Antifa/LGBT type tactics will backfire Yugely if applied to 2A so if that's where your at I doubt we'll find any common ground tactically.
If you want me to expand on why those tactics will be an abysmal failure I'd be happy to (after work). You can also PM if you like. The fight is important & so are the tactics.
No we shouldn’t have to pay tax stamp or be told what we can and cannot own. But it’s the law at the moment. It has to be worked out where it’s not illegal.
So do you own any suppressors, machine guns , or destructive devices without a stamp ?
If so you are a fool and will get a one way ticket to prison. I’m not on Twitter but it sounds like and correct me if I am wrong. You guys say own what you want and screw the rules. But at the moment if you own anything illegally you are also the problem.
I think context would be super important here. If they were bashing him for posting that pic of a BB gun with his intent to brainwash the masses into believing that you can go to the local Toys R Us and buy a Glock 19, then I have no problem with the pro 2A people’s actions as long as it was civil. Believe it or not there is a good deal of people, including politicians, that believe you can purchase guns in such a manner. Some post crap like this out of pure ignorance, others post it purposely to further their agenda. If this dude was posting out of ignorance then he should have been corrected but in a manner such as to educate him and the masses, not act like a toddler and threaten to castrate him on the web. Context is everything but I do question the motives of politicians when many do this quite often.
If I did own anything illegally why would I advertise it on the internet? What I own or don’t own isn’t the business of you nor the government. Today it’s suppressors and auto weapons. Tomorrow it’s scary looking black rifles. The next it’s anything that isn’t a musket Where is the line where you will stop being complaint and fight back?
This is the context. The assemblyman didn’t bait 2A supporters. He was either ignorant or was purposely misleading/propagandizing the public. He was called out, as he should have been. If he was ignorant then he learned something. If he was malicious, then he’ll think twice about it in the future. The point of the story wasn’t to hype up the Twitter people but to illustrate that the shit put out on larger platforms are the fights we need to focus on. Not sitting in the relative safe space of like minded individuals. There are even disagreements between the Twitter people from time to time. At the end of the day we’re on the same side.
How are you fighting back?
Not following the rules is a form of defiance but what can you do with that but stroke your resistance in your basement where no one can see...
So you are trying to say fighting back is just buy it and who gives a fuck?
Good job Raven on setting that Ca Politico straight on litter.
Education. Donating to real 2A supporting organizations. Not being an elitist ass to people who are interested in guns.
Do you think any real fight begins with sitting back and not pushing information out to the masses? Information is gold right now. The more people spreading the message the more traction it gets. Slimy ass politicians will notice and there maybe change. Our generation is screwed but our future might not be.
And its equally true that a number of posts have recognized that purist adherence to ideological dogma, to the exclusion of all other considerations, is a fools errand.
Where did I say anything about not getting information out? I totally tell people it should be there right.
im talking about you are basically coming off ass fuck people who legally purchase suppressors and such
i guess you are taking us as wrong as we are taking you. I could be interpreting things wrong. But it seems to me you are basically saying buy what you want and fuck the rules we have at the moment
Then what’s the way ahead? How are we to stop the erosion of our rights? What we’ve been doing hasn’t been working and we are on the brink of another infringement of our freedom. Are we going to keep rolling over every single time?
I don’t care what you do with your money. All I’m saying is that we shouldn’t settle for it as “this is the way the gov tells us to do it.” Did you see what TX did the other day with TX made suppressors? Is it a pipe dream…maybe.
where has anyone said we agree it’s the way it should be?
I think and don’t take this wrong. You got your head up your ass to think we don’t support getting rid of the bullshit rules.
An interesting dichotomy in your statements about retreating to our own "safe space" here on the Hide. You advocate for engagement of the other side on 2A issues on Twitter, but either don't realize or don't care that only 19-24% of Twitter accounts are from the US. Of those accounts, most are not even active on the platform. According to demographics provided by Twitter those accounts that are active are young (24-35), affluent, college educated, and lean slight to heavily towards democratic political ideals. So who exactly are you engaging with your pro-2A message? Assuming that you aren't instantly muted by those who do not share your ideals, who on Twitter amongst those demographics is seeking out new information/ideas/ways of looking at the world in which they live? Twitter is an echo chamber, safe space, for the left. Hashtags that promote BLM, racism, and COVID trend all day long. You will get NO traction on that platform with that group of mouth breathing leftists, and that's only the active US accounts. Those outside of the US opining on the 2A can eat shit and die. Declaring openly that you came here from Twitter will cast an instant shadow of doubt upon you and anything you post until you convince us otherwise.
The sad thing is, while yes no one wants a civil war. That would be absolutely terrible. But no matter what dreams we dream, the fact of the matter is, the board is set, the pieces are moving, and while it hasn’t gone hot yet, there is a cold civil war in play, and again sadly the ignition point is getting very close.
Lol, have you been there? Or are you just spouting random stuff you read in articles? This isn’t the first time you’ve said something about the demographics of Twitter and it seems like your trying to justify your reason for staying here. How many people in this forum have relatively the same ideology? 85-95%? This is the definition of a bubble.
I know you agree we should get rid of the rules. I said as much in my first post. My point is that you and the “2A Antifa” have more in common than you think and the only reason why most people reacted the way they did was for coming after Frank.
This pendulum and chess vs. checkers stuff are tired and worn out analogies. There will always be another highly publicized shooting the left will try to use because the media are working on their behalf and refuse to report any of the actual "good guy with a gun" stories we always try to use to bolster our correct claims. They're holding that pendulum on their side. It isn't swinging because they control the narrative. What you're talking about isn't working. We aren't gaining ground, we're just grasping at straws trying not to lose any and then people on our side want to talk about "compromise." Compromise just means we give them some of what they want instead of all of what they want. How is that a win?
I spent four years listening to everyone go on about chess this and checkers that and how Trump was really playing 4D chess while the left was playing checkers and how there was this big plan behind the scenes that was going to come together and we were going to win in the end and what happened? Fuck all. Trump capitulated to almost every demand the left had when they put the pressure on and got nothing in return. He banned bump stocks and gave us nothing in return. On top of that half the so called pro 2A crowd acted like we had it coming for selling them.
ANTIFA and LGBT activism is not remotely the same. I would love to know why you think learning from the tactics of the LGBT activists is such a bad idea. You may not agree with what they advocate for but you can't deny they've done a lot of winning.
I've followed this whole thing on Twitter and on here and while I've seen a lot of "do not comply" calls to action against coming regulations or legislation I haven't seen anyone that I can recall openly promoting flaunting illegal SBR's, silencers or machine guns. The whole point about promoting the braces is that it shows the normies how arbitrary the NFA rules are to begin with. Hell I have two stamps, one for my SOCOM 762 and one for the SBR I built last year. I have a braced pistol and kick myself for building the SBR and spending the money on the stamp.
once again I disagree with you. But it’s ok you can have your opinion.
To me it seemed like you guys thought we were going to come and kick the door in and pushing people around. That doesn’t go well here.
Frank is a good dude.
We may fight and bicker with each other but we were not going to let outsiders come in and think they run the roost.
Just my opinion from my angle. Like I have said before maybe I am reading the situation wrong. I do not have Twitter and have no clue of the whole situation.
Are you active on Twitter?
Which part did you disagree with?
We were invited here by Frank because he said we wouldn’t be able to last with the promise not to be banned. We came and admittedly like acted like jackasses. Which was “tame” according Frank. And then were banned in less than 24 hours. Frank, on Twitter, said the members complained about us because we called them names and were insulting.
We were invited here by Frank because he said we wouldn’t be able to last with the promise not to be banned. We came and admittedly like acted like jackasses. Which was “tame” according Frank. And then were banned in less than 24 hours. Frank, on Twitter, said the members complained about us because we called them names and were insulting.
That’s my point. I don’t know if there is a day that goes by where there isn’t some sort of confrontation or even legitimate learning occurring in that section of Twitter.
Saw a YT personality talking about 'non compliance' and I believe his point was the same as Frank's. It's not enough.
You can sit in the basement and pet your illegal stock, flash hider, whatever illegal accessory while giggling about your non compliance but then what?
You take it to the range and some lefty will report you or the range itself will toss you to avoid the hassle of being associated with you.
I'd say voting matters but honestly after November they've got that pretty buttoned up. What's left? Messaging I suppose.
The media is on their side so you have to take the Colion Noir approach. When they say something, dissect it. Use statistics to back up your argument and post them so everyone can see for themselves.
Funny as they may be, I think the "250 people died last year from complications arising from things inserted in their Anus... that's more than were killed with rifles in the last 20 years" type memes are effective these days
A little humor and gets people curious... "Did 250 people die from shoving shit in their ass?"
What's the next step? Google: AR15 death statistics
Might just open some eyes. I don't think absent being the victim of a policy or crime you'll convince a lefty, but you might convince somebody on the fence.
Keep in mind politics has never been about the base. They consider 80% of the a country a lock. They're voting one way or the other no matter what.
It's the 20% that waffle that they're interested in. We should do the same. Don't drive yourself insane trying to convince somebody who's determined not to be convinced. Work on somebody who's not sure.
Dude isn't wrong. There is a lot of hive mind here, and people with dissenting opinions are not really welcome. That's just true. No two ways around it. Doesn't matter if it is me or Wade2Big. If you are slightly too left or slightly too right. You get out of the narrow lane, and you pay for it. It really doesn't bother me, but it isn't exactly a strength of SH. Now I will say that this does not apply to Frank as far as I can tell. But whatev.
As far as acting like jackasses, it doesn't really bother me at all. So I fucked your wife? So what. Somebody has to. Kidding aside, I think that throwing shit in a friendly way is a fine way to let off steam. People who say, given all of the hate toward our community, we shouldn't, probably do have a point. But I find that a lot less offensive than some other shit that is said totally seriously.
All that said, going on twitter and trying to burn down Snipers Hide is a fucking shit move. Or a cuck move, or whatever you guys call it. Let's take what you say at face value, and assume that you are really trying to help put gun owners and prospective gun owners in better position. Great. I'm all for that. But it is absolutely stupid to think that by attacking allies you are going to do that. We may not be of the exact same mind, but the chasm between us and them is much greater than the divide between you and us. The risk to you guys of a person who is in the middle not joining up because he has heard that SH is for losers on Twitter, is much greater than the risk to you guys of losing very gung ho advocates to a place like SH, that you find slightly too passive. This is typically stupid conservative strategy of the millennium. You see it everywhere.
So stop with the where did you serve, stolen valor shit. Be happy if we can all move the needle a bit, because that is a lot better than the way it has been moving.
This actually happens, not as frequently as I’d like though.
It’s all internet bullshit and that’s where it ends. I could be right next to you on the range, you’d never even know and we’d have a good convo about how we are going to get screwed by the gov. No one was reporting SH that I know of. Who would they report it to? I’m sure you got more traffic than you’ve had in awhile and some of the casuals (me) probably stayed because there is value and knowledge to be had here. I won’t touch the SV shit. It’s not my place and between them.
Well, whomever it is between, it is fucking lame, and it should stop because it doesn't do anybody any good. We should all be focused on things not getting worse, and getting to a place where we can make them better. So if it helps, it should stay. If it hurts, it should be tossed. If it is just fucking around internet BS, I am all for it.
BTW I’m not their ambassador and do not speak for them. Im just pointing out that there is more in common than you think with the “2A Antifa.” I honestly find the moniker hilarious.
WTF is wrong with people! STFU and you do you. If someone doesn't like SH or its members...move along. I for one couldn't give any less of a fuck. Attacking good people is wrong no matter the means used to do so...
Well if it’s any consolation, the Twitter crowd admittedly has a short attention span and will move on to the next thing soon enough.
Well, I think if you polled people here, few would tell you that I would be the chosen ambassador for SH, so there is that.
i debated on responding, but tbh this whole thing is sad. 
two groups with probably +90% overall agreement...and near 100% agreement on the main objective.
think of how much broader an audience and with it influence, there could be here...
ah, dare to dream. but reality, man...it can be a real kick to the nutsack.
two groups with probably +90% overall agreement...and near 100% agreement on the main objective.
think of how much broader an audience and with it influence, there could be here...
ah, dare to dream. but reality, man...it can be a real kick to the nutsack.
"2A antifa" is this really a thing? How unoriginal and uninspiring a name or label. Be original... Call themselves "Wolverines"
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