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Garmin Xero C1 Pro chronograph

Yes, seriously I was doing load development for a 375 Chi tech and I need to know my standard deviation of a string of 10 or 20 rounds if I delete one or two. And how else are you gonna figure it out without doing the calculations one way or another if the device fails to account for the change after the shot is deleted?
You were doing loading at the range so you needed SD right then and there?

I guess my reloading has never been so critical that I needed to do all that at the range. And at home, it’s easy peasy to me and not a “pain in the ass”

To each their own. Cheers
 
Custom attributes/fields would be a godsend, @Garmin. As it stands now, the only way to tell one load from the other is the use the one tiny note field. Super ghey.

I used to print out the cutesy table the app generated, would export to Excel, also, and print all of these data for the hard-copy 'load book' for each respective caliber; but I could grab any random bullet off the shelf, thumb to the reference number in the app, and find my 'recipe 'and start cooking in 45 seconds.

Here's the fields using my old $90 Pro CX or MX or whatever the hell it's called...literally storing 100s and 100s of loads in there (my Garmin is already 'full').


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You were doing loading at the range so you needed SD right then and there?

I guess my reloading has never been so critical that I needed to do all that at the range. And at home, it’s easy peasy to me and not a “pain in the ass”

To each their own. Cheers

There’s an old saying about one man’s pain in the ass, is another mans pleasure 😳….🤣🤣🤣
 
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who wants to manually enter 18 velocities in XLS, when the device is perfectly capable of calculating SD properly?

I "seriously" don't understand the objections here
Why are you manually enter anything? Perhaps you are not too familiar with Excel and csv files. The Garmin app outputs a csv file that you can email from your phone to your home PC/Laptop/whatever you have Excel on and open it directly with Excel. It will look just like an Excel file when opened and your data will all be there.

If you wish, then delete the shots you don't want and enter a formula like this to calculate the SD on the remaining data set: =STDEV.S(cell number of the beginning of the range:cell number of the end of the range). And of course, you don't need to manually enter the cell addresses, just click on them.

And F1 in Excel will bring up the Help function if you get stuck.

I can cut/paste the csv file data into a full Excel spreadsheet (I have Excel chrono files for my rifles with tabs for diff ammo), and add in forumulas for Avg, ES and SD in...well, a minute and and half...maybe two minutes tops.

As for objections....no, you can do it anyway you wish. We are all big boys and girls here and can do what we want (well, mostly lol).

But I don't think that, while SD should work after deleting some shots from a session, that its a big deal and its very easy to work around. But, that's me and of course doesn't have to be you.

Cheers
 
who wants to manually enter 18 velocities in XLS, when the device is perfectly capable of calculating SD properly?

The Garmin app outputs a csv file that you can email from your phone to your home PC/Laptop/whatever you have Excel on and open it directly with Excel. It will look just like an Excel file when opened and your data will all be there.

Cheers

This is what I am wondering. I open edit and print in excel on my iPad……
 
Yes, seriously I was doing load development for a 375 Chi tech and I need to know my standard deviation of a string of 10 or 20 rounds if I delete one or two. And how else are you gonna figure it out without doing the calculations one way or another if the device fails to account for the change after the shot is deleted?
If you were synched to the App, and deleted the shot in the App, it would have done it for you correctly. But you are correct about the unit. I was one of the first here to point out the error, and believe it or not, took a lot of flak for “whining”. All I did was say, “Hey, if you delete a shot from a string, it will recalculate the ES but not the SD.” Another member then clued me in that the App would do it correctly, and it did.
 
There was an old episode of the Twilight Zone. “To serve Man.” Basically aliens, (real outer space aliens) landed on earth and supposedly there to help human kind on Earth. They gave them a book, to translate.

Everyone was going on vacation to the alien planet as it seemed to be a big thing. Finally the skeptic scientist decided to go there. As he was boarding and could not get off, his assistant ran up and said they finally translated it, To Serve Man, was a cookbook.

I am the skeptic. I’ve used Garmin products for several decades now and always know, don’t buy Garmin early because they are famous for letting the customers do the beta testing. I warned all y’all, wait. No one listened. Dumped your Labradar’s like last nights whore.

Well the skeptic finally thought, it’s been a while, surely they got it right by now, so I pulled the trigger and got mine delivered last Wednesday. Sure enough, as soon as I get a Garmin, the complaints start piling in. Best thing, I’ve gone though two sessions, with no issues. (And not one dropped shot).
Dude, right out of the box on the original release the Garmin was SO much better than the LR it wasn’t even a fair comparison. It just worked, with no crutches like the LR needed (I ran a LR for 7 years). The problem only arose recently with a buggy update which it appears they fixed quickly.
Edit - everyone who dumped their LR “like last night’s whore” - I haven’t heard of any considering going back. Most of us still have them because they are worth next to nothing now because of the Garmin.
 
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Dude, right out of the box on the original release the Garmin was SO much better than the LR it wasn’t even a fair comparison. It just worked, with no crutches like the LR needed (I ran a LR for 7 years). The problem only arose recently with a buggy update which it appears they fixed quickly.
Edit - everyone who dumped their LR “like last night’s whore” - I haven’t heard of any considering going back. Most of us still have them because they are worth next to nothing now because of the Garmin.
Preach, my brother in Christ.

I swear a guy pulled up to the range this weekend with one of those LR relics and half the line came down and chatted about how much they hated the company (and how much the company hated its consumers) and telling stories of old and all the missed shots and triggers and sights to get that POS to pick up 81% of shots.

Said owner peppered us with questions about the Garmin, so I have to assume he, too, is a hater. To even utter 'LabRadar' in the same sentence as the Garmin is a grave sin—Good vs Evil.
 
You were doing loading at the range so you needed SD right then and there?

I guess my reloading has never been so critical that I needed to do all that at the range. And at home, it’s easy peasy to me and not a “pain in the ass”

To each their own. Cheers
You don't shoot anything that actually matters. Benchresters load at the range all the time.
 
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Why are you manually enter anything? Perhaps you are not too familiar with Excel and csv files. The Garmin app outputs a csv file that you can email from your phone to your home PC/Laptop/whatever you have Excel on and open it directly with Excel. It will look just like an Excel file when opened and your data will all be there.

If you wish, then delete the shots you don't want and enter a formula like this to calculate the SD on the remaining data set: =STDEV.S(cell number of the beginning of the range:cell number of the end of the range). And of course, you don't need to manually enter the cell addresses, just click on them.

And F1 in Excel will bring up the Help function if you get stuck.

I can cut/paste the csv file data into a full Excel spreadsheet (I have Excel chrono files for my rifles with tabs for diff ammo), and add in forumulas for Avg, ES and SD in...well, a minute and and half...maybe two minutes tops.

As for objections....no, you can do it anyway you wish. We are all big boys and girls here and can do what we want (well, mostly lol).

But I don't think that, while SD should work after deleting some shots from a session, that its a big deal and its very easy to work around. But, that's me and of course doesn't have to be you.

Cheers
you're right, I didn't even think of that, apparently I like to do things the hard way LOL
 
Magnetospeed—the ol' "fix bayonet, sir" solution we used to strap to barrels.

I believe Kestrel bought them a few years back (and probably worth 1/10 the value since acquisition).
Oh yeah, that contraption. I just couldn’t get myself to buy either a Magnetospeed or LR after reading all of the horror stories.

You poor sods. The Garmin is my first chronograph lol
 
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Dude, right out of the box on the original release the Garmin was SO much better than the LR it wasn’t even a fair comparison. It just worked, with no crutches like the LR needed (I ran a LR for 7 years). The problem only arose recently with a buggy update which it appears they fixed quickly.
Edit - everyone who dumped their LR “like last night’s whore” - I haven’t heard of any considering going back. Most of us still have them because they are worth next to nothing now because of the Garmin.
Funny thing happened on Thursday (the very first day I used the Garmin). Had a fellow drill me about all the advantages of the Labradar over the Garmin. Well, I have plenty of experience with a Labradar as several years ago, my son and I went halves on one. It lives at his house.

The only real advantage “I” can see that the Labradar has over the Garmin is the removable/replaceable batteries. Problem is, in our experience, we wouldn’t waste our time dragging the Labradar out to the range unless we had our external battery with us and fully charged. And that negates any real advantage.

However, While I did use, everyone, and I saw plenty in the for sale ads at giveaway prices, speaking rhetorically, basically the Labradar, if not sold, was packed away and the Garmin took its place. That’s what I mean by “dropped”.
 
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Preach, my brother in Christ.

I swear a guy pulled up to the range this weekend with one of those LR relics and half the line came down and chatted about how much they hated the company (and how much the company hated its consumers) and telling stories of old and all the missed shots and triggers and sights to get that POS to pick up 81% of shots.

Said owner peppered us with questions about the Garmin, so I have to assume he, too, is a hater. To even utter 'LabRadar' in the same sentence as the Garmin is a grave sin—Good vs Evil.

Our range bought one of those god forsaken LRs about a year before the Garmin was released. I think it’s pretty much a curiosity at this point.
 
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Our range bought one of those god forsaken LRs about a year before the Garmin was released. I think it’s pretty much a curiosity at this point.
Credit were due: It was awesome compared to the competition when it was first released. But times have changed "biggly", and they did not.
 
Credit were due: It was awesome compared to the competition when it was first released.

For a range? For random people to use who have no idea the voodoo required??

Make a fire

Kill a chicken

Drink it’s blood

Dance around the fire 🔥 with its headless corpse which chanting incoherently.

Pray 🙏 it doesn’t take the smallest amount of field abuse or it’s broken. (Ask lowlight)

I chose the magnetospeed. Not perfect by a long-shot but simple and it worked. For me it was a major step up from the old style shoot through type.

As much as I geek out over ballistics and reloading, I just could never justify the expense, hassle, bad customer service and fragility of the lab radar.

No one bitched more about that stupid strap system on the magnetospeed than me, but in the end, it was a damn sight more reliable and simpler than the lab radar. I could loan it to someone with 5 mins of instruction and they were off to the races.

The minute the Garmin came out and the reviews were in, I pounced like a fat kid on cake! 🎂
 
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Credit were due: It was awesome compared to the competition when it was first released. But times have changed "biggly", and they did not.
This ^^ is absolutely true. LR was the first and only affordable retail doppler chrono for shooters (compared to, for example, the parent company's $200k professional radars). And it was sufficient to get the data needed for load dev, dope cards, etc.

Yes, it needed some upgrades.....the little aiming device sold (or super glue on a piece of plastic straw), battery bank cause it ate AA's like candy, a better solid mount (I used an Arko Machine for an added $75 but it did keep that wind sail of a device upright), etc.

And yes, the fucker would pick up shots from adjacent rifles, use of an aftermarket inertial trigger for suppressed worked....most of the times, and the app totally sucked and would lock up the device and sometimes my phone.....I mean, the app REALLY sucked.

But the sucker worked and you didn't need to worry about clouds and sun, changing POI hanging something off of your barrel (or shooting the wand which I believe has happened more than once), etc.

I gave mine to my cousin....because it does work and works for his limited purposes. That and it ain't worth selling

The main violation, IMO, was LR the company sitting on their laurels and absolutely doing shit all to fix issues with existing product or develop a new products....until Garmin came out. They just seemed to very arrogantly believe that they owned the market so fuck the shooters.

Does nobody realize that Labradar released a small chrono as well?

And, again IMO, this well deserved distrust of LR company is why their "me too" device isn't a hit. At least, I'll never trust them again.
 
For a range? For random people to use who have no idea the voodoo required??


I chose the magnetospeed. Not perfect by a long-shot but simple and it worked. For me it was a major step up from the old style shoot through type.

As much as I geek out over ballistics and reloading, I just could never justify the expense, hassle, bad customer service and fragility of the lab radar.

No one bitched more about that stupid strap system on the magnetospeed than me, but in the end, it was a damn sight more reliable and simpler than the lab radar. I could loan it to someone with 5 mins of instruction and they were off to the races.

The minute the Garmin came out and the reviews were in, I pounced like a fat kid on cake! 🎂
I had the MS3 before the LR came out. I ditched it immediately upon trying the LR. Yes, you need external battery pack, external trigger for suppressors, but I really never had much trouble out of it. No stupid strap, and no change in POI or group size were awesome. Of course, I only shoot on a private range, alone or with one other shooter alternating strings, so never any interference. I can see where it might be a pain at a public range.
 
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Having been burned on the first version they can suck my balls Kyle...
I have to say when I first acquired a labradar in 2019 I thought I was in high cotton, till I started shooting suppressed. Then the recoil triggers came out, and it was pretty consistent. Their app crashed repeatedly, the thing had old ass Bluetooth firmware they refused to update, I agree LR basically put it out, zero further support.

I found out I was getting one the first garmins that they shipped out, and was very fortunate to move my LR with accessories for $300, I couldn't give that POS away now.

They could have innovated and brought out v2 before Garmin stole their market share, but didn't cuz they were chewing the fat. Now there is Athlon cloning the Xero for 25% less money, but I have zero experience with that unit.
 
I have to say when I first acquired a labradar in 2019 I thought I was in high cotton, till I started shooting suppressed. Then the recoil triggers came out, and it was pretty consistent. Their app crashed repeatedly, the thing had old ass Bluetooth firmware they refused to update, I agree LR basically put it out, zero further support.

I found out I was getting one the first garmins that they shipped out, and was very fortunate to move my LR with accessories for $300, I couldn't give that POS away now.

They could have innovated and brought out v2 before Garmin stole their market share, but didn't cuz they were chewing the fat. Now there is Athlon cloning the Xero for 25% less money, but I have zero experience with that unit.

The kicker was stories of their terrible customer service.

Sell a fragile product and treat your customers like crap. Who the hell do these Canadians think they are, Harley Davidson?

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