It looks like a great little toy. Just curious, with kind of purpose did you have in mind when you built it?
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Origin, 16” proof chambered by crown ridge. TT diamond 2 stage, Manners EH1 bedded by Beanland and Hawkins hunter dmb
Something fun to shoot pigs with. Had a bunch of brass from my AR and wanted something cheap to load for.
Did you have to modify the bolt face? That a Bighorn (Zermatt)?
Just use the PPC bolt head
The Grendal and the Valkyrie use the same bolt face just different extractors per Zematt.
Got my Savage out for a bit Sunday morning. Factory 175gr GMM does ok in this gun, really need to work up some handloads and see what this gun likes. I forgot to take pictures of the targets but shot about 1 MOA, some of that is my shooting was pretty rusty. 
My master race rifle
Stock 260rem 5R 18"
TT Special trigger
AAC SDN6 w/ Q Cherry Bomb
KMW Sentinel Gen 1
Badger EFR/Bottom Metal
Atlas Bipod
Badger rings
PMII 3-20
Forgot to add 2560 with FGMM 142SMKS
Stock 260rem 5R 18"
TT Special trigger
AAC SDN6 w/ Q Cherry Bomb
KMW Sentinel Gen 1
Badger EFR/Bottom Metal
Atlas Bipod
Badger rings
PMII 3-20
Forgot to add 2560 with FGMM 142SMKS
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I've got a 308 barreled action sitting in the back of my safe and I've been considering cutting the barrel back. Do you need a faster poweder with the shorter barrel?
I was thinking of going 16" on the barrel. I have a ton of 175 SMK projectiles.
I was thinking of going 16" on the barrel. I have a ton of 175 SMK projectiles.
What does she weigh ?
Haven't screwed the 16" 308 barrel on since the new upgrades but this is what it looked like before hand.
Remington 700 16.5 inch barrel in .223.
Manners T2 w/mini chassis
Sightron SIII 6-24
Just started shooting it the other day and I can already tell you my .308 won't find its way back into this stock soon. Lot of fun, cheap to shoot, accurate.
Manners T2 w/mini chassis
Sightron SIII 6-24
Just started shooting it the other day and I can already tell you my .308 won't find its way back into this stock soon. Lot of fun, cheap to shoot, accurate.
That’s what I’m hoping. I just picked up the barreled action last week. Had Altus Shooting Solutions build it up for me. Hoping to test it out this week sometime. Impact 737r action and Brux barrel.
You do a 7 twist?
This one is a 1:8 since we couldn’t find much in stock for blanks. I have another lighter weight build they are doing with a proof 16.5” carbon barrel and that one is 1:7. Hoping to use 75-77s out of it. I won’t be doing much past 300 yards right now so either one should be plenty. I wanted a little heavier build and a light weight build.
Ive been wanting one of the AB for suppressor for a while. it looks great on this rig!
Going to rebarrel my 6.5x47 with a 16.5 or 18in Proof Carbon fiber for my 10yr old son to use on white tail. What kind of MV can I expect with 90-120g projectiles? Plan on shooting Triple Shocks or similiar.
Depends on powder.
You can use varget, staball, h4350, r16, or even r26.
What do you have or what do you plan on using?
I would say with the 18" length and a 120, you can expect anywhere from 2650 to maybe 2800. There's more variables than just the powder selection, your barrel could be slow or it could be fast, etc.
However, I think that's a general ballpark
I’m not a reloader or anything but for what it’s worth my 18” benchmark carbon 6.5manbun shooting Hornady factory 143eld-x shoots an avg of 2585
How about a 22lr? 16” on this one. Suppressor is only thing I’m still waiting on
Just recently chopped my 6.5Cmoor to 16”. 2760fps with Varget and 123ELDM.
Yeah I have plenty of Varget and H4350 here. R15 as well. So I have options with powder.
I'm getting around 2930 with various brands of 123's with a 24" barrel without pushing too hard. You should be able to get close to 2800 with 120's in an 18" barrel if 25 fps p/inch of barrel holds up.
I want to run my titanium Thunderbeast can on it. A short OAL comes in handy here in PA when traversing through the forests and into / out of tree stands when white tail hunting.
I'm around there too. Running 130gr TGKs in my 18", I have found good loads a little over 2,800 fps with RL16, and around 2,750 fps with StaBall.
Any reason to go faster than an 8tw for a 17" 6.5cm? I'll likely shoot 140 elite hunter/eldm as heaviest bullet in this rifle. Live at 2k foot altitude, but winter gets well below zero here, would like this as a supressed hunting gun.
Time for an update on 16-18 inch shorty rifles - Plebe Edition.
I got my Kimber Hunter back from being threaded at Ecco machine, 1/2x28" was the only thread that would fit, but that's fine, I mounted a DA Xeno Xero and will be running my Nomad Ti (equivalent barrel length with can mounted is 23.75").
It's about 5.5lb with the Xero adapter and a mag, and 6.25lb with the can attached.
With the scope and mounts I'll be using, it should be ~7.5lb scoped and suppressed, and less than 8 lbs loaded, with sling and ready to hunt. I turned the trigger down from ~4.25lbs to a nice 2.75lbs. I picked up some 175gr ELDx from blue collar reloading last night, probably lose a little BC with the 9 twist, but it has a Bergara barrel like my other Kimber, so I hope it shoots as well, fingers crossed.
I've changed directions from the 65cm to the 22creed. Going 7tw for monos to hunt, and heavy cup/core bullets for steel practice.
I’m very interested to hear somebody chime in on this. My guess is that yes it’s still faster but maybe but a smaller percentage than with a longer barrel? No experience with the 6mm’s to validate that theory though… I need a 103 eldx going 2900 to make me happy. I figure an 18” 6creed should get me there??
You can probably get there but in my 18” 6xc 2900 with a 103 eldx was my top end but that’s not where it shot best.
Id think it's doable depending on powder. I have a ruger American predator 6cm that I shortened to 20". This barrel seemed pretty slow and rough, as its a cheap mass production rig, but it shoots quite well. Anyway.......lapua srp brass and rl26 with a 108 elite hunter I was able to get up to 3090 with a full compressed load at 47.3gr, it shot sub half moa at 3030 fps so thats where I run it. Supressed with ultra7 out front.
I don't think the difference in velocity lost per inch between bolt gun pressure 6mm ARC and 6mm Creed is anywhere near significant enough at rifle length barrels to make up much of the 300fps muzzle velocity difference. The larger cartridge let's you get more area under the pressure curve (and therefore more work done on the bullet) at any rifle barrel length, using more, slower burning powder.
My comparison isn't exactly apples to apples because my Grendel and ARC are gas guns. But, my 16" Grendel is good for about 2,450 fps with 123gr SST. My 18" 6.5 CM has good working loads with 130gr @ 2,750-2,800 fps 140gr -147gr @ 2,640-2,700 fps, depending on powders. There's not much comparison, and 2" won't change that.
I don't have a 6mm Creed, but my top end 105gr loads for my 21" 6mm ARC run about 2,700 fps. My GT is about 250fps faster with 112gr and 2" more barrel.
I’ve always been a fan of those. My old No. 1 is similar. 20” barrel but because it’s a single shot, it’s as about as short as most 16” barreled rifles.
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Since you a planning on shooting copper take a look at Hammer Bullets, I’ve been able to get some of them 100 fps of more faster than conventional bullets of the same weight. Good way to help gain back some of the velocity lost to a shorter barrel.
I shot one of those in 6.5 Creedmoor without a can and it was hands down one of the most unpleasant firearms I have ever shot just behind an 1895 in 30-06 with a steel carbine buttstock.
With how much the Nomad Ti takes the recoil and concussion on my PRC I’ve always wondered if it would make that rifle actually bearable to shoot.
I've got one of those (actually a Montana, but I also have a Hunter stock for it), but it has a 20" barrel, so doesn't strictly qualify for this thread:
It's not a heavy thumper without the can, but it's way more fun, and far easier to shoot well with a can on the end. 5-6 lb rifles are pretty difficult to shoot well, my whole intent starting with an ultralight rifle is to be able to be able to come in ~7 - 7.5lb suppressed and ready to hunt.
I'm guessing the last owner sold this 5.5lb, 17" .280ai because he couldn't shoot it very well, it (perhaps not coincidentally) walloped him pretty good with each trigger pull, and is preposterously loud. I'm counting on the can taking a lot of the punch out like they do for my other rifles, and I do plan on using the E-brake on my Nomad during load development for a little extra reduction.
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Update the 6 Creed is straight hammering. Waterline all day with 10.3 mil out too 1150 yds Is no slouch….
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Remington 700 action
Manners stock
Leupold VX-6HD
Set up to shoot strictly sub sonic 500 grain bullets. Have gotten it dialed into a .5 MOA gun with subs.
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Nice setup…interesting choice in twist. What is the reason for the super fast twist for 308?
