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Gunsmithing $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

TresMon

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Out of 30 rounds of barrel break in and about !280! rounds of load development I could not eliminate the vertical strings my rifle was producing on target. During load development I tried every varible:
Powder types
Powder charges in little jumps
Several different makes &models of Bullets
A WIDE variety of seating depths
Several different match primers
A variety of neck tension

I also tried different scopes, checked and rechecked my bases & rings As well as pulled the rifle out of the stock to check the bedding several times and retourque the action screws.

Still vertical string after string after string. The TresMon was at his handloading end. I had no answers.

This was the consistent result of ANY combination of reloading components and assembly:
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Hmm thinks me- "That AMU profile 30" barrel wearing a BIG brake hanging off the nose of a Sav 110 action is asking alot out of an action with a lot of cut outs....
Maybe I need to stabilize the barrel."

So I decide to try a barrel tension screw. I called a friend with a machine shop to see if I could get in and make/install the parts. No answer. 5 times.

So I then new this was going to be a really low precision op in my garage with SIMPLE hand tools. OFF to Lowe's to see what I could see.


I came home with an idea and $3.31 in screw and nuts.

Here's my design. (Sorry but I just have to say) I think this was a pretty ingenious design for such simple parts. Here's what I came up with:
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Sorry: Acorn nut & jam nut not drawn jammed together holding pointer and Lock nut absent from drawing.


The winG nut makes a crude V-block to cradle & press on the barrel. I radiused the inside corners to make life good for the barrel. I used an oversize 10-31 wing nut so my stud could freely turn in the wing nut bore. The bore of the wing being oversized allowed the wings to be <span style="text-decoration: underline">self centering</span> on the barrel to compensate for low precision drilling, tapping etc.

I loc-tited a nut on the 8-32 stud. This got greased. Another couple of washers were added with grease on all surfaces to act as bearings so that when the stud was turned to put more pressure on the barrel- the wings would keep their centered & squared position on the barrel.

I drilled and tapped an 8-32 hole up through the forearm near the end.
I threaded the stud down through the forearm and put the bearings and wings in position.

The underside got a loose nut to lock the whole assembly in position. Beneath these were a standard nut and an Acorn nut. Sandwiched between these two final nuts was a feeler gauge I cut to make a pointer, so I could see how far I was advancing the stud & the associated pressure on the barrel.

I hung up four 3/4 moa targets @ 200yds. I already had a lot of targets shot with no tension on the barrel for a baseline with the load so I went to tuning. First I turned in the stud until the wings just barely snugged on the barrel & locked the nut. I fired a 5 shot group. No dice.

I turned the stud on in to a quarter turn in and locked it- and fired another 5. Hmm... getting interesting.

I turned the stud in to the half-turn position, locked it and fired 5. Not much change,

I advanced the stud to 3/4's in and fired 5. HOLY COW!

I advanced the stud to 1 full turn in and gave it a try and it was obviously too much.

All test were done with a load that was in the velocity window I wanted (3060-3160f/s with this one being 3163 { 7mm-300WM, 180 Berger Hybrid}) and with a 10 shot SD average of 5.4 f/s.)

From the target above to this target below NOTHING was changed but the barrel tension:
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Not bad for $3.31?????
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">NOW</span></span></span> I can work up a good load.


 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

Good deduction there Tres, but let me ask this one question.

How is the barrel nut torque into the receiver? While this is working for you, it is going against all intents for all other rifle designs.

(except the 10/22...
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When I machined my new barrel for my Savage I made it nutless.
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I dont know what you mean by going against designs..... educate me please sir.
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

Barrel tension, same as a pad at the tip of the forearm pushing up on the barrel. Old way was to bed the action then flip the rifle and hang a weight off of the barrel, then "bed" at the tip of the stock. I like the way you made that.
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

TresMons: good thinking and good work of getting it done. Clearly you had already exhausted the "usual" variables in your evauluation. BTW, "some" barrels like yours just don't do as well free floated and need a consistent support.
Sean: this concept is NOT new...my Winchester 52D has 2 barrel screws at the end of the forearm which can be "adjusted" to tune the barrel.
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

The CMP Remingtons have 2 opposing screws for adjusting barrel tension.

I have a 6.5x55 that has a 1" no taper barrel on it. It is full-length bedded in a wood stock. Shoots lights out. A departure from the norm is not always a bad thing.

Tresmon, I appreciate you sharing your work and tutorials with us.

david
 
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Thanks guys!


Trip: I bet I can adjust the pressure in the barrel on my rig way faster than you can adjust your glob of epoxy!
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Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

Did something similar with my 10-22. The adjustable points allow for tuning. you can then substitute epoxy for the nuts, etc, and go to a stable condition. Until you change tensions elsewhere. JMHO
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

Next time don't screw up a perfect Design...
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Then there will be No reason to fix it. Deleting the Savage Barrel NUT caused the problem.

I run a 30" Bull, 1" at Muzzle with 1.25" Brake. No Issues using NUT. I reckon you learn from your mistakes
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Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TresMon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Thanks guys!


Trip: I bet I can adjust the pressure in the barrel on my rig way faster than you can adjust your glob of epoxy!
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I'd bet a nut...(a bet that apparently you can't cover from what I hear), that my glob of epoxy would stay put a lot more dependably than your wingnutty thingy-ma-jiggy.

That said, I've absolutely no use for a barrel that won't shoot free floated.......just sayin'.
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

How far in front of the recoil lug did you install this? I have a 30" bull on my Savage as well and had some concerns over the weight hanging out there. I haven't made it out to shoot any groups at distance yet, but I'm hoping to this weekend. If there were any issues the plan was to bed the barrel out a couple inches, but this tension screw might be a good ide as well. Good job.
 
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Lets see the actual device installed in the rifle, I'm with CKA though, a properly bedded action\barrel should do the samething, and be rock solid repeatable.
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NTRP-CKA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bedding two inches in front of the recoil lug is the norm to handle a long and heavy barrel. </div></div>

That was my thought...why not just extend your bedding? It would be far more consistent and spread your pressure over a wider area. It would also avoid rigging it. I applaud your ingenuity and I have that gene as well, but a set screw with a wing nut barrel cradle has no place in a precision rifle.
 
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I don't think it was stupid and never said that. I think it was a creative solution. I don't think it's going to hold up long term when I know bedding will.
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ~Ace~</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Next time don't screw up a perfect Design...
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Then there will be No reason to fix it. Deleting the Savage Barrel NUT caused the problem.

I run a 30" Bull, 1" at Muzzle with 1.25" Brake. No Issues using NUT. I reckon you learn from your mistakes
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I have built 3 Savages "Nutless" All shoot 1/2" or better. I prefer it because there's more meat at the chamber end.
 
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"The enemy isn't always on the other end of a gun or a bomb. Sometimes he's very close. Sometimes he looks like us, which makes him almost invisible, and that's when he's most dangerous. - Dean Koontz "


Taking that one step further.....sometimes he is us.

Sorry off topic but I just had to make the comment on your Quote
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

Tres , glad to see your rifle shooting well.
I did have one question about this set up though,
does your rifle have the same accuracy and poi if you shoot from different positions ? Wondering if the barrel tension changes if you go from shooting off bipod to shooting off sticks or unsuported , etc?
 
Re: $3.31 from Lowe's creates .36 moa rifle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lets see the actual device installed in the rifle, I'm with CKA though, a properly bedded action\barrel should do the samething, and be rock solid repeatable. </div></div>

This is temporary: It was an experiment to see if the vertical was from a floppy barrel!

264: this is a 99.999999% bipod/prone rifle- so the poa should not shift. it WOULD shift if fired slung up....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nitronova</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good job for an inexspensive solution to your problem. </div></div> +1 to what this gentleman said. Always a fan of ingenuity being used to solve problems.

-Paulus